Rumor Higher Speed Rail from MCO to Disney World

[Neel24]

China has it and it seems to work well for them and they are geographically vast. And I think it doesnt make much sense flying from like Miami to Orlando. I’m talking about connecting cities that are of a similar distance like Miami and Orlando, too far to drive too close to fly. In any event, we need something, driving on 95 is awful these days. And I guess we will find out if it’ll work when brightline does it. I just think that no one from Miami wants to go to Orlando airport, so they would benefit from a Disney stop.

 

[Neel24]

There are lots of reasons why HSR is incompatible with the U.S. Geographically we aren't set up for it being perhaps the biggest. Hardly any HSR lines across the world even break even. It's hard to justify the ridiculous price when flying is faster, more economical, and is very competitive price wise. The only regions that could support HSR service are the Northeast and California, and California is stretching it.

And I agree that HSR barely break even. Hopefully brightline model of condos retail ect can help with that.

 

[networkpro]

China has it and it seems to work well for them and they are geographically vast. And I think it doesnt make much sense flying from like Miami to Orlando. I’m talking about connecting cities that are of a similar distance like Miami and Orlando, too far to drive too close to fly. In any event, we need something, driving on 95 is awful these days. And I guess we will find out if it’ll work when brightline does it. I just think that no one from Miami wants to go to Orlando airport, so they would benefit from a Disney stop.

When the Chinese government wants to put in a rail line , road, or anything else how do you think they get the land?

 

[Neel24]

Sure but I don’t think Germany uses China’s methods

 

[Stripes]

China has it and it seems to work well for them and they are geographically vast. And I think it doesnt make much sense flying from like Miami to Orlando. I’m talking about connecting cities that are of a similar distance like Miami and Orlando, too far to drive too close to fly. In any event, we need something, driving on 95 is awful these days. And I guess we will find out if it’ll work when brightline does it. I just think that no one from Miami wants to go to Orlando airport, so they would benefit from a Disney stop.

China works because 1. They don't have ANY land rights and 2. Cheap labor

If the Chinese gov wants land they take it and tell citizens to find somewhere else. In the US, the gov has to pay for the land and deal with an unending series of lawsuits.

 

[Neel24]

The main issue is the industries against it, those other countries I don’t think the lobbies have so much influence on the politicians like here. I don’t even want to know the opposition Brightline must have gotten from the airline industry. Either way we need an alternative to the highway when flying isn’t possible.

 

[Neel24]

China works because 1. They don't have ANY land rights and 2. Cheap labor

If the Cinese gov wants land they take it and tell citizens to find somewhere else. In the US, the gov has to pay for the land and deal with an unending series of lawsuits.

Agree with you, it’s unfortunate that anyone can sue anyone for anything.

 

[jt04]

The main issue is the industries against it, those other countries I don’t think the lobbies have so much influence on the politicians like here. I don’t even want to know the opposition Brightline must have gotten from the airline industry. Either way we need an alternative to the highway when flying isn’t possible.

I don't remember hearing about airline opposition. Only so many flights can be handled out of MIA. I doubt Orlando would be a priority.

The friction came from NIMBY's. And those who oppose privately owned rail.

 

[MinnieM123]

I see what you’re saying I just don’t understand why we can’t get it done but other countries can, Germany, France ect. I see all these reasons why we shouldn’t but I think the reasons why we should far exceed them. Only so many lanes on I95, I4 or whatever we can build.

Although I like your idea about a new train line (and I always use public transportation every day to work), everything I've heard or read about building any new rail system in the U.S., is just cost prohibitive.

You mentioned the success with rail travel in some European countries. That reminded me of a discussion I had years ago, with my grandfather. He said that getting the trains back up and running was very important to those countries after WW II. Trains could transport many people at once, allowing workers get to businesses, and helping to rebuild the economy. So out of necessity, an investment was made many years ago, in rail travel.

Over here in the U.S., we didn't need to rebuild the country's transportation system, so the American car was the popular choice. The car is a part of our culture now. (Many people would prefer to drive than ride in a train.)

 

[Neel24]

I don't remember hearing about airline opposition. Only so many flights can be handled out of MIA. I doubt Orlando would be a priority.

The friction came from NIMBY's. And those who oppose privately owned rail.

Yea I know the treasure coast opposes it but a lot in the treasure coast are now asking for a train stop. They know it’s coming through so they’d rather have a stop.

 

[Neel24]

Although I like your idea about a new train line (and I always use public transportation every day to work), everything I've heard or read about building any new rail system in the U.S., is just cost prohibitive.

You mentioned the success with rail travel in some European countries. That reminded me of a discussion I had years ago, with my grandfather. He said that getting the trains back up and running was very important to those countries after WW II. Trains could transport many people at once, allowing workers get to businesses, and helping to rebuild the economy. So out of necessity, an investment was made many years ago, in rail travel.

Over here in the U.S., we didn't need to rebuild the country's transportation system, so the American car was the popular choice. The car is a part of our culture now. (Many people would prefer to drive than ride in a train.)

I get what you’re saying but as the population continues to grow, like in South Florida where I’m at there are only so many car lanes that can be built and something is needed urgently. Driving on I95 in south Florida for example is a hazard to ones health. I think train travel is comfortable, generally safe and avoids traffic and if a train is built where people want to go, it would succeed.

 

[networkpro]

Agree with you, it’s unfortunate that anyone can sue anyone for anything.

Such as retaining thier privately owned property. Just because it's not in a city makes its owners any less important than someone in a city. What if we were to condemn Manhattan to grow flowers ?

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Such as retaining thier privately owned property. Just because it's not in a city makes its owners any less important than someone in a city. What if we were to condemn Manhattan to grow flowers ?

So your answer to the growing populations transportation needs is to not build public transportation or more roads.

Brilliant plan.

 

[Neel24]

So your answer to the growing populations transportation needs is to not build public transportation or more roads.

Brilliant plan.

It’s easy to oppose something but hard to actually come up with solutions. Unless their solution is status quo.

 

[eddie104]

It’s easy to oppose something but hard to actually come up with solutions. Unless their solution is status quo.

People are always fighting against things they do not understand and come up with excuses of why it won't work.

 

[MaximumEd]

Don’t want to speak for @networkpro , but I think he meant the gov’t taking private property through imminent domain to build public transportation ain’t a good thing here in the good ol’ U S of A. And I would totally agree.

 

[Neel24]

Don’t want to speak for @networkpro , but I think he meant the gov’t taking private property through imminent domain to build public transportation ain’t a good thing here in the good ol’ U S of A. And I would totally agree.

Not sure anyone is suggesting that. You can improve public transit without taking people’s property.

 

[networkpro]

It’s easy to oppose something but hard to actually come up with solutions. Unless their solution is status quo.

It's all so easy to use someone else's property as you see fit.

 

[eddie104]

Not sure anyone is suggesting that. You can improve public transit without taking people’s property.

Sadly all your going to get is conservative type responses it seems which isn't surprising on here.

 

[Neel24]

I think

It's all so easy to use someone else's property as you see fit.

Again, who is suggesting taking anyone’s property? That seems like a boogie man argument against public transit. What’s your solution then if you’re afraid your property will be stolen if transit is improved?