Rumor Higher Speed Rail from MCO to Disney World

[Goofyernmost]

Yes it is a toll road.

Thanks for responding. The last time I was there I believe I used Rte 417 from the airport to I-4. Seems like the toll back then was about $2.00. Probably a lot higher now.

 

[LAKid53]

Toll roads are a cash cow ( a no brainer ) for FL with the millions of tourists, retirees, locals using them on a daily basis. The issue of the toll roads destroying nature etc is noteworthy but merely just that. $$ from the toll roads to fund FL trumps it all.

Clearly you weren't following SB 100 in this year's legislative session. Because after an economic analysis was performed in preparation for bonding, it was determined that tolls would be insufficient to pay for all 3 projects in the 2019 legislation. The Heartland Parkway, which was proposed through rural areas in Polk and Collier counties, has been deemed too expensive...and unnecessary...since Jeb Bush was governor.

 

[jt04]

Ahhh, you really think former Senate president Galvano was thinking that when he pushed through the controversial plan to build 3 toll roads? A processed that bypassed the normal process to build major roads in Florida... that required transportation studies to determine if need and prior identification as a priority by state transportation and local officials. Almost unilaterally, Galvano said the roads were needed to boost the economies in rural parts of the state.

The current bill to repeal the 2019 legislation kills the Heartland Parkway. It does extend the Turnpike past Wildwood - but to where yet to be determined. Along with improving US 19 from the Suncoast Parkway to I-10 in Madison County. The 2019 proposal would have required BILLIONS of dollars in bonding, with no guarantee that Turnpike tolls could pay for those bonds. Along with destroying sensitive habitat and wetlands in that part of the state and impacting poor communities in the region.

Yet HSR was deemed too expensive?

Yes, development may have been a selling point but without the need for better evacuation routes I doubt the roads would get approved. There was almost a disaster several years ago. So ultimately it is about public safety. Moving on.

 

[Lilofan]

Yes, development may have been a selling point but without the need for better evacuation routes I doubt the roads would get approved. There was almost a disaster several years ago. So ultimately it is about public safety. Moving on.

FL evacuation routes are a complete mess and that's an understatement when it is time to get out of Dodge during an approaching hurricane. Former Governor Scott advised in a news conference for anyone that refuses to vacate a mandatory evacuated zone to write your SS# on their arm so it will be easier to identify their body.

 

[LAKid53]

Yes, development may have been a selling point but without the need for better evacuation routes I doubt the roads would get approved. There was almost a disaster several years ago. So ultimately it is about public safety. Moving on.

And, pray tell, what disaster was that? You do know that all major highways in Florida - I-10, I-4, I-75, I-95, US 19, Turnpike make up the Hurricane Evacuation Route and thus can be designated one way by the governor?

Suggest you read the 2019 legislation and learn WHO was backing it...and why. Had NOTHING to do with hurricane evacuation routes.

 

[jt04]

FL evacuation routes are a complete mess and that's an understatement when it is time to get out of Dodge during an approaching hurricane. Former Governor Scott advised in a news conference for anyone that refuses to vacate a mandatory evacuated zone to write your SS# on their arm so it will be easier to identify their body.

He definitely left the situation better than he found it but still some work to be done. Lots of good changes in Tampa and Miami that will save lives if necessary due to evacuations.

 

[LAKid53]

FL evacuation routes are a complete mess and that's an understatement when it is time to get out of Dodge during an approaching hurricane. Former Governor Scott advised in a news conference for anyone that refuses to vacate a mandatory evacuated zone to write your SS# on their arm so it will be easier to identify their body.

They are? So I-4, I-10, I-75, I-95, US 19 and the Turnpike are "a complete mess"?

 

[jt04]

And, pray tell, what disaster was that? You do know that all major highways in Florida - I-10, I-4, I-75, I-95, US 19, Turnpike make up the Hurricane Evacuation Route and thus can be designated one way by the governor?

Suggest you read the 2019 legislation and learn WHO was backing it...and why. Had NOTHING to do with hurricane evacuation routes.

Talk to someone who lived through it. But as I best recall the rivers in North Florida were flooding, 441 was closed, Miami had been evacuated previous with people clogging the east coast and then the West coast had to be evacuated. This might have been before suncoast was completely open. Basically a perfect storm of events. It was very dicey. That much I remember.

 

[Lilofan]

They are? So I-4, I-10, I-75, I-95, US 19 and the Turnpike are "a complete mess"?

Get back with more info if evac routes from beachside residents are seamless. Far from it as one example.

 

[LAKid53]

You ean

He definitely left the situation better than he found it but still some work to be done. Lots of good changes in Tampa and Miami that will save lives if necessary due to evacuations.

You want to know what will save lives when a hurricane approaches a region of the state? People not waiting until the last moment to evacuate. State emergency officials enacting road redirection of the major highways comprising the Hurricane Evacuation Route sooner. Enacting mandatory evacuations sooner.

I've lived through 4 hurricanes, the most recent was Michael in 2018. You can pave the entire state with 6 line highways all you want...people will still wait until the last moment to leave, congesting evacuation routes.

 

[Lilofan]

Talk to someone who lived through it. But as I best recall the rivers in North Florida were flooding, 441 was closed, Miami had been evacuated previous with people clogging the east coast and then the West coast had to be evacuated. This might have been before suncoast was completely open. Basically a perfect storm of events. It was very dicey. That much I remember.

Those pesky facts can educate some who haven't experienced it. Good luck trying to find a gas station that has gas. Not in FL but my friends in Houston had to evac per their governor during a hurricane approx 15 years ago. A normal 2 hour trip to Austin took 16 hours with a number of cars stranded on the highway because they ran out of gas but let's blame the ones waiting until the last minute.

 

[LAKid53]

Talk to someone who lived through it. But as I best recall the rivers in North Florida were flooding, 441 was closed, Miami had been evacuated previous with people clogging the east coast and then the West coast had to be evacuated. This might have been before suncoast was completely open. Basically a perfect storm of events. It was very dicey. That much I remember.

I have. 4 of them. Most recent was Michael in 2018.

 

[LAKid53]

Those pesky facts can educate some who haven't experienced it. Good luck trying to find a gas station that has gas.

I guess you missed that I've lived in Florida for 55 years and have lived through 4 hurricanes, well 5, if you count one that brushed Miami in 1966. That included hurricanes 3 years in a row, all which left me without power for days each time.

 

[LAKid53]

Those pesky facts can educate some who haven't experienced it. Good luck trying to find a gas station that has gas. Not in FL but my friends in Houston had to evac per their governor during a hurricane approx 15 years ago. A normal 2 hour trip to Austin took 16 hours with a number of cars stranded on the highway because they ran out of gas but let's blame the ones waiting until the last minute.

We are not talking about Texas.

And yes, people wait until the last minute to evacuate.

 

[JoeCamel]

We are not talking about Texas.

And yes, people wait until the last minute to evacuate.

Now, tell the OP about the gas stations along the interstate mandate to have generators so they can pump out the tanks if needed and the anti-gouging price enforcement.

Some people can't leave until they have no other choice so they wait until it is life or death, bugging out is expensive.

 

[corran horn]

I guess you missed that I've lived in Florida for 55 years and have lived through 4 hurricanes, well 5, if you count one that brushed Miami in 1966. That included hurricanes 3 years in a row, all which left me without power for days each time.

Charley/Frances/Jean/Ivan all right down our breadbox. Drove us out in 2004. Landstar & 417. Never again.

 

[Lilofan]

We are not talking about Texas.

And yes, people wait until the last minute to evacuate.

You are saying last minute but to board up your house etc can't be done quickly, waiting hours in line to get gas, food, withdraw $$, etc. There are reasons why some go last minute.

 

[Lilofan]

Charley/Frances/Jean/Ivan all right down our breadbox. Drove us out in 2004. Landstar & 417. Never again.

I-4 was jammed bumper to bumper with residents from Tampa escaping to get a hotel room in Orlando. And the storm then came right up I-4 through Kissimmee and Orlando as a Cat 3. Crazy and stressful times.

 

[DisneyCane]

Now, tell the OP about the gas stations along the interstate mandate to have generators so they can pump out the tanks if needed and the anti-gouging price enforcement.

Some people can't leave until they have no other choice so they wait until it is life or death, bugging out is expensive.

Also due to expense and inconvenience, people don't want to evacuate until it is highly likely their home will be hit hard. The "cone of doom" changes so much they don't want to evacuate for no reason.

 

[Lilofan]

Also due to expense and inconvenience, people don't want to evacuate until it is highly likely their home will be hit hard. The "cone of doom" changes so much they don't want to evacuate for no reason.

Perhaps impacted residents in the hurricane zone will squeeze into the new Brightline trains to get out of town.