Henry Cavill as Wolverine?

[erasure fan1]

I wouldn’t be opposed to this, but I do hope that the MCU X-Men won’t be as Wolverine focused as the Fox films

If I had to guess, I would bet they don't focus as much on Wolverine. Jackman was so iconic in the roll, just like Downey and Evans, it would be smart to go a little lower of a profile. Like you said, he was such a big focus with fox, you can have someone grow into a bigger roll this time.

Disney spent a decade trying to kill the xmen because they didn't own the film rights so they let the comics quietly hide while promoting their film related properties more. That has to effect it a bit too.

This is a bit overlooked I think. Xmen outside of the movies was all but nonexistent.So now Disney needs to start the hype train back up. Comics, toys, games... The general movie goer doesn't really care about comics and that stuff. But subconsciously not seeing big promo endcaps at stores and big toy pushes... has to have an effect.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

If I had to guess, I would bet they don't focus as much on Wolverine. Jackman was so iconic in the roll, just like Downey and Evans, it would be smart to go a little lower of a profile. Like you said, he was such a big focus with fox, you can have someone grow into a bigger roll this time.

This is a bit overlooked I think. Xmen outside of the movies was all but nonexistent.So now Disney needs to start the hype train back up. Comics, toys, games... The general movie goer doesn't really care about comics and that stuff. But subconsciously not seeing big promo endcaps at stores and big toy pushes... has to have an effect.

I got my kids the latest Lego marvel for the switch last year, not one baddie or hero from the Xmen. They didn't even feature them on marvel comics promo posters for years, while pumping up previous B-listers from the Guardians of the Galaxy and Inhumans but I think all is getting in line again.

 

[Disney Irish]

If I had to guess, I would bet they don't focus as much on Wolverine. Jackman was so iconic in the roll, just like Downey and Evans, it would be smart to go a little lower of a profile. Like you said, he was such a big focus with fox, you can have someone grow into a bigger roll this time.

This is a bit overlooked I think. Xmen outside of the movies was all but nonexistent.So now Disney needs to start the hype train back up. Comics, toys, games... The general movie goer doesn't really care about comics and that stuff. But subconsciously not seeing big promo endcaps at stores and big toy pushes... has to have an effect.

I got my kids the latest Lego marvel for the switch last year, not one baddie or hero from the Xmen. They didn't even feature them on marvel comics promo posters for years, while pumping up previous B-listers from the Guardians of the Galaxy and Inhumans but I think all is getting in line again.

Jonathan Hickman, a well known comic creator, just started up a new X-Men story arc called Dawn of X at Marvel. Rumor has it that it could be the basis for the next set of X-Men movies. So it won’t be too long before you see that hype machine going again for X-Men.

 

[Disney Irish]

But could fall to the same phenomenon with more movies/saturation/changes.

It’s something to watch.

Feige is the most interesting price. Does he get promoted or studio chief? Or perhaps the head of a combined “action”
Unit?...taking over the problem child to go with the mcu?

We know Chappie loves consolidation/reorganization

I’ve been hearing about comic book movie fatigue for nearly a decade with the MCU, I’m still waiting after 23 movies and 13 years. As long as you have good stories with connective tissue the fact the source material is comic books is irrelevant. Sure not every movie is going to be End Game big, but also I don't expect too many to be flops (if any) as long as they stay true to what they've built and how they've built it.

What makes Feige so effective and a genius is while he may have the overall creative vision he leaves it up to his generals to execute. Its not him doing all the work. It will be no different if he moves around in the company, get promoted, starts overseeing Lucas, etc. He'll have his people around him doing the day-to-day work while he is the big picture guy.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve been hearing about comic book movie fatigue for nearly a decade with the MCU, I’m still waiting after 23 movies and 13 years. As long as you have good stories with connective tissue the fact the source material is comic books is irrelevant. Sure not every movie is going to be End Game big, but also I don't expect too many to be flops (if any) as long as they stay true to what they've built and how they've built it.

What makes Feige so effective and a genius is while he may have the overall creative vision he leaves it up to his generals to execute. Its not him doing all the work. It will be no different if he moves around in the company, get promoted, starts overseeing Lucas, etc. He'll have his people around him doing the day-to-day work while he is the big picture guy.

You’ve been hearing about it...but in fact it has happened since the genre was essentially invented in Superman 1

I’m not predicting the downfall of mcu. But it will decline at some point. They already kinda set the table for that now. Hard to write off the prime characters in clumps.

It’s almost like Bob Iger tried to saturate 2019 and retire...

Nah...that’s crazy

 

[Disney Irish]

You’ve been hearing about it...but in fact it has happened since the genre was essentially invented in Superman 1

I’m not predicting the downfall of mcu. But it will decline at some point. They already kinda set the table for that now. Hard to write off the prime characters in clumps.

It’s almost like Bob Iger tried to saturate 2019 and retire...

Nah...that’s crazy

Trying to compare DC and everything that WB has botched with them to the MCU is just plain shortsighted. If you still haven't figured out the MCU is different in terms of storytelling and execution then well you really don't get it and are just rooting for its downfall.

As I said not every movie going forward is going to be End Game levels of Box Office. But they're also likely not going to have very many flops either as long as they stick to what has made them successful. Its world building at its finest. So now they have to rebuild the world post-End Game. That will take a few movies, and it will be what gets fans (even the most casual ones) to stay interested. And I think it was smart to have Black Widow as their bridge between the end of one saga and the beginning of the next.

 

[Darkprime]

You’ve been hearing about it...but in fact it has happened since the genre was essentially invented in Superman 1

I’m not predicting the downfall of mcu. But it will decline at some point. They already kinda set the table for that now. Hard to write off the prime characters in clumps.

It’s almost like Bob Iger tried to saturate 2019 and retire...

Nah...that’s crazy

You say that now but if the next crossover is secret wars with RDJ and Chris Evans returning the MCU will easily have another $2 billion+ movie

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Trying to compare DC and everything that WB has botched with them to the MCU is just plain shortsighted. If you still haven't figured out the MCU is different in terms of storytelling and execution then well you really don't get it and are just rooting for its downfall.

As I said not every movie going forward is going to be End Game levels of Box Office. But they're also likely not going to have very many flops either as long as they stick to what has made them successful. Its world building at its finest. So now they have to rebuild the world post-End Game. That will take a few movies, and it will be what gets fans (even the most casual ones) to stay interested. And I think it was smart to have Black Widow as their bridge between the end of one saga and the beginning of the next.

You’re getting caught up on the label...not the subject matter.

DC isn’t the only IP to go through this...

Spider-Man fizzled after it took down a Star Wars in 2002...X3 sent that into hiatus and X2 was probably the 2nd or 3rd best superhero movie ever (none were mcu...by the way)

You’re not one of those “Disney can’t make mistakes” people, are you?

Boy that sure has been proven wrong


Mcu’s main issue will be to resist over saturation.

Don’t know if they can reset and build again...but I’ll get my popcorn and watch anyway

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You say that now but if the next crossover is secret wars with RDJ and Chris Evans returning the MCU will easily have another $2 billion+ movie

That is certainly a possibility...but they won’t volunteer to pay them $100,000,000 (easily) unless they have to

 

[Disney Irish]

You’re getting caught up on the label...not the subject matter.

DC isn’t the only IP to go through this...

Spider-Man fizzled after it took down a Star Wars in 2002...X3 sent that into hiatus and X2 was probably the 2nd or 3rd best superhero movie ever (none were mcu...by the way)

You’re not one of those “Disney can’t make mistakes” people, are you?

Boy that sure has been proven wrong


Mcu’s main issue will be to resist over saturation.

Don’t know if they can reset and build again...but I’ll get my popcorn and watch anyway

No, I'm not caught up in the label. I'm looking at the pure facts. No other franchise has latest this long and been this successful. Even James Bond who technically has more movies hasn't been as successful. Hell, even in just 4 Avengers movies they knocked off all 10 of the Wizarding World movies.

The biggest flaw with every single one of your examples is they all failed to tell a good story which kept audiences engaged. Or with Star Wars Lucas moved the story in a direction the audience wasn't ready for and failed to get an actor who was believable to lead the prequels (and not talking about Ewan).

So far the MCU hasn't had these same issues. Will they never have a misstep? No of course not (just look at Inhumans, something they botched), its run by humans and Feige and this team are not infallible. But after 23 movies and 13 years I'm willing to bet they get it more right in the future than more wrong. Feige and his team has earned my trust because of it. If they had flopped after say 3-4 movies, then we'd be having a different conversation. But they haven't and so far many are looking forward to where they take us in Phase 4, 5, and beyond. They've kept to their roots and that is what keeps fans interested.

 

[Phicinfan]

No, I'm not caught up in the label. I'm looking at the pure facts. No other franchise has latest this long and been this successful. Even James Bond who technically has more movies hasn't been as successful. Hell, even in just 4 Avengers movies they knocked off all 10 of the Wizarding World movies.

The biggest flaw with every single one of your examples is they all failed to tell a good story which kept audiences engaged. Or with Star Wars Lucas moved the story in a direction the audience wasn't ready for and failed to get an actor who was believable to lead the prequels (and not talking about Ewan).

So far the MCU hasn't had these same issues. Will they never have a misstep? No of course not (just look at Inhumans, something they botched), its run by humans and Feige and this team are not infallible. But after 23 movies and 13 years I'm willing to bet they get it more right in the future than more wrong. Feige and his team has earned my trust because of it. If they had flopped after say 3-4 movies, then we'd be having a different conversation. But they haven't and so far many are looking forward to where they take us in Phase 4, 5, and beyond. They've kept to their roots and that is what keeps fans interested.

I sort of agree with both of you. I do think they have the staffing and writing to keep the MCU successful. But to @Sirwalterraleigh 's point, if you don't successfully keep it fresh, and make it a draw, eventually it will grow stale and lose fan base.

One reason Star Wars is what it is, is they have never IMO, made a proper move after the first original 3.

So Yes, if Marvel can pull of Fantastic Four, Xmen and their space odysey that will supposedly include Silver surfer, Nova, Galactus, and eventually Secret war then they will continue to rake in the $$$$.

But reality states, at some point this will end, it can't keep going. But congrats to them for dragging the first story out 10 years and doing it extremely well.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No, I'm not caught up in the label. I'm looking at the pure facts. No other franchise has latest this long and been this successful. Even James Bond who technically has more movies hasn't been as successful. Hell, even in just 4 Avengers movies they knocked off all 10 of the Wizarding World movies.

The biggest flaw with every single one of your examples is they all failed to tell a good story which kept audiences engaged. Or with Star Wars Lucas moved the story in a direction the audience wasn't ready for and failed to get an actor who was believable to lead the prequels (and not talking about Ewan).

So far the MCU hasn't had these same issues. Will they never have a misstep? No of course not (just look at Inhumans, something they botched), its run by humans and Feige and this team are not infallible. But after 23 movies and 13 years I'm willing to bet they get it more right in the future than more wrong. Feige and his team has earned my trust because of it. If they had flopped after say 3-4 movies, then we'd be having a different conversation. But they haven't and so far many are looking forward to where they take us in Phase 4, 5, and beyond. They've kept to their roots and that is what keeps fans interested.

My argument “failed” because you haven’t considered any of it.

I think we went through the same thing with abramsland and I don’t want to relitigate.

We’ll agree to disagree a tad and watch. You’re already talking 10 movies from now

 

[Disney Irish]

That is certainly a possibility...but they won’t volunteer to pay them $100,000,000 (easily) unless they have to

You know there are other ways in Hollywood to get paid right? Its not all a straight paycheck. RDJ for example wasn't paid a straight paycheck for End Game, he took his pay other ways.

Also in case you weren't aware RDJ and CE are both coming back for the What If series and not making a huge paycheck for it.

I sort of agree with both of you. I do think they have the staffing and writing to keep the MCU successful. But to @Sirwalterraleigh 's point, if you don't successfully keep it fresh, and make it a draw, eventually it will grow stale and lose fan base.

One reason Star Wars is what it is, is they have never IMO, made a proper move after the first original 3.

So Yes, if Marvel can pull of Fantastic Four, Xmen and their space odysey that will supposedly include Silver surfer, Nova, Galactus, and eventually Secret war then they will continue to rake in the $$$$.

But reality states, at some point this will end, it can't keep going. But congrats to them for dragging the first story out 10 years and doing it extremely well.

I agree, and its why I think break it up into Phase's like they have is good. It keeps it fresh.

Do I think it'll go on forever, no. Nothing lasts forever.

 

[Disney Irish]

My argument “failed” because you haven’t considered any of it.

I think we went through the same thing with abramsland and I don’t want to relitigate.

We’ll agree to disagree a tad and watch. You’re already talking 10 movies from now

I have considered it, I just don't agree with it in the way you are presenting it. There is a difference.

At some point in the future yes you are likely 100% right there will be a time when Marvel won't be the top of the heap. Do I think that day is anytime soon, no. But it will happen, and Marvel will have to reinvent itself yet again. Something that the Marvel Comics side has done for 81 years.

 

[erasure fan1]

But after 23 movies and 13 years I'm willing to bet they get it more right in the future than more wrong. Feige and his team has earned my trust because of it.

That is kind of where I'm at with the MCU. If the MCU doesn't do so hot in this next phase, it wouldn't surprise me. But for now, as long as Feige is involved, in him I trust. Even if Feige leaves for star wars, and I think chances are good for that to happen. I think he will still be involved in planning the direction of the MCU.

 

[Disney Irish]

That is kind of where I'm at with the MCU. If the MCU doesn't do so hot in this next phase, it wouldn't surprise me. But for now, as long as Feige is involved, in him I trust. Even if Feige leaves for star wars, and I think chances are good for that to happen. I think he will still be involved in planning the direction of the MCU.

Yep, I agree.

If anything, and SirWalt alluded to it, I would think that if Feige does move it will be into a single head of both Marvel and Lucas Studios. And while it would be more on his plate, I would be ok with this. I think he has enough trusted people around him that he could manage both franchises without negative impact on the content.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yep, I agree.

If anything, and SirWalt alluded to it, I would think that if Feige does move it will be into a single head of both Marvel and Lucas Studios. And while it would be more on his plate, I would be ok with this. I think he has enough trusted people around him that he could manage both franchises without negative impact on the content.

Don’t suggest She-Ra will be replaced...

...penguin gets upset

 

[Disney Irish]

Don’t suggest She-Ra will be replaced...

...penguin gets upset

This isn't a SW thread, but I think everyone agrees that Kathy's contract will likely not be renewed next year. I've had no real issue with her other than she didn't facilitate a singular vision for the sequel trilogy. However, as I alluded to before, if rumors are true Project Luminous was started under her. So I think that alone starts a healing period where I think most fans will come to find Kathy wasn't as bad as most think.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This isn't a SW thread, but I think everyone agrees that Kathy's contract will likely not be renewed next year. I've had no real issue with her other than she didn't facilitate a singular vision for the sequel trilogy. However, as I alluded to before, if rumors are true Project Luminous was started under her. So I think that alone starts a healing period where I think most fans will come to find Kathy wasn't as bad as most think.

So She-Ra is gone?

Wasn’t orchestrating an anthology film series her only real job? Let’s be serious here.

She shoulda stayed with Steve...she was George AND Bob’s puppet

 

[Disney Irish]

So She-Ra is gone?

Wasn’t orchestrating an anthology film series her only real job? Let’s be serious here.

She shoulda stayed with Steve...she was George AND Bob’s puppet

How about we not turn this into another SW thread, just drop it, and lets get back on topic.