Haunted Mansion - Insight?

AEfx

Well-Known Member
With so many of WDW's guests traveling some distance and not keeping up with current refurbs....City Hall is not going to be a fun place. They will need to plaster it all over the website, put flyers in with reservation confirmations, tell travel agents, etc.

That's exactly the problem.

As I said above, I *more than completely* understand the need for refurbs. People will *ALWAYS* complain when rides are down. However, this past week with the Mansion down, with all the other unexpected closures that seem to be plaguing the park (especially Pirates), it really was at a fever pitch.

And what you posted above is where the larger issue lies. Several people have pointed out that if you go to WDW's website, open the calendar, and then look at the rehabs and closures...yup, it's there. How many ACTUAL vacationers know to do such a thing? We have to remember that we are all hyper-aware, and the average person is not.

The problem is that Disney isn't doing a lot to tell people before hand. There is no sign saying the Mansion is down until you are standing in front of it, and the only other notice is the "temporarily closed for refurbishment" in the daily guide. That's not a terrible lot. At the least there should be signage outside of the park for things being down.

Then again, obviously how much can they do. It's a tough situation. I agree completely that Space is going to be a nightmare. Disneyland and WDW are two totally different beasts. The one thing I've taken from seeing this all unfold last week is that I am even more certain we will NEVER see the "holiday" overlay here as they do there. There is NO WAY the MK can handle the extensive downtimes on each end of the display.

It would be less of a problem if they could keep the other rides running constantly, but of course that is impossible. That's why, even though the MK is a "full day" park, it really does need another E-ticket. It just can't handle closures very well when you take something down for months at a time - which I'm sure is one of the reasons so many of these rides have been neglected for so many years.

AEfx
 

Chape19714

Well-Known Member
Maybe the area around the old keelboats would be turned into a character meet n greet area for the 3 Hitchiking Ghosts??????......They have been out at Disneyland before....but I doubt they'll ever come out at WDW besides the MNSSHP Parade
Entertainment has already wanted to do Disney Villians there, but Imagineering said no, as it didn't fit with the Liberty Square theme.
 

Harry456

Member
plz people! can we stop complaining about Disney's decisions on rehabbing it during the summer?!?! cmon, it's Disney's decisions and there nothing you can do. Disney pick the best time to rehab the site. plz stop complaining!!! just live it!!! :shrug:

anyways, (sry about the rant, getting mad with 2 pages of people talking about the time HM is down and how it was a bad decisions) can we get back to the good stuff: guessing what the rehab about? is it going be like DL HM rehab? hopefully, something different from the other HM
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
plz people! can we stop complaining about Disney's decisions on rehabbing it during the summer?!?! cmon, it's Disney's decisions and there nothing you can do. Disney pick the best time to rehab the site. plz stop complaining!!! just live it!!! :shrug:

This is a full-service site. :) People will discuss the business decisions as well as the fantasies people have of what is going on inside or what will be added.

Perhaps if they make you "mad" as you say, you should skip those posts.

AEfx
 

Harry456

Member
lol being a teenager, "mad" is used a lot in our world. lol, sry for the mis-used word.

anyways, only problem i see is that Disney already made the decision of rehabing it during the summer. i just don't see the use of aguring over it when it can't be helped. i see AEfx you explaining it, but it looks like some people are getting "mad" about a helpless thing
 

ReDisniey E-Dew

Account Suspended
Entertainment has already wanted to do Disney Villians there, but Imagineering said no, as it didn't fit with the Liberty Square theme.

Yes, and we will continue to say no...

Entertainment execs would have us make every single ride tie-in with a movie or character if they could. "C'mon kds! It's time to ride 'It's a Small World Starring Minney Mouse and Daisy Duck!'"
 

Lee

Adventurer
Yes, and we will continue to say no...

Entertainment execs would have us make every single ride tie-in with a movie or character if they could. "C'mon kds! It's time to ride 'It's a Small World Starring Minney Mouse and Daisy Duck!'"

So....who was it that pulled the plug on the Tink thing? Entertainment or WDI?
 

IcicleM

New Member
I imagine this is what's happening at City Hall:

Guest: "WHY'S THE MANSION CLOSED?!"
Cast Member: (In a drowsy non-expressive voice) "Because it's being fixed"
Guest: "WHY?!"
Cast Member: (Still drowsy, yet this time sarcastic) "Because there's no better time"
Guest: "WHY?!"
Cast Member: "Because if we didn't do it now, it would never get done..."
Guest: "WHY?!"
Cast Member: "........."
Guest: "Well I better be compensated for this cause this... ptsh *huff* HUH! This is just ridiculous!"

There's nothing the guests can say that will change anything, and there's really no reason or need to explain it. It's getting done, and if a GOOD guest can accept that, and think of what it will be like when it's finished, then they will get over it. Other guests are with screaming children who are tired and irritable, and they've paid a lot of money to get there and plan the trip, and Disney's site wasn't updated in time, and they didn't make the announcement early enough, and there are just a whole lot of factors that tie in to a "bad and upset guest" and there's really nothing we (as the good guests and Cast Members) can do but be as polite and understanding as possible.

However, I hope guests don't expect any kind of compensation, haha, cause I might accidentally laugh in their face :zipit:

Think about how crazy it'll be when the refurb Jungle Cruise and Space Mountain, hahahaha
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
I don't see any problem with villians appearing at the Mansion...would be great to get them out there because right now the only way to meet'n'greet them is at the Halloween parties.

I don't see a huge theming problem, and it's funny because usually I'm a stickler for such things.

AEfx
 

Harry456

Member
I imagine this is what's happening at City Hall:

Guest: "WHY'S THE MANSION CLOSED?!"
Cast Member: (In a drowsy non-expressive voice) "Because it's being fixed"
Guest: "WHY?!"
Cast Member: (Still drowsy, yet this time sarcastic) "Because there's no better time"
Guest: "WHY?!"
Cast Member: "Because if we didn't do it now, it would never get done..."
Guest: "WHY?!"
Cast Member: "........."
Guest: "Well I better be compensated for this cause this... ptsh *huff* HUH! This is just ridiculous!"

There's nothing the guests can say that will change anything, and there's really no reason or need to explain it. It's getting done, and if a GOOD guest can accept that, and think of what it will be like when it's finished, then they will get over it. Other guests are with screaming children who are tired and irritable, and they've paid a lot of money to get there and plan the trip, and Disney's site wasn't updated in time, and they didn't make the announcement early enough, and there are just a whole lot of factors that tie in to a "bad and upset guest" and there's really nothing we (as the good guests and Cast Members) can do but be as polite and understanding as possible.

However, I hope guests don't expect any kind of compensation, haha, cause I might accidentally laugh in their face :zipit:

Think about how crazy it'll be when the refurb Jungle Cruise and Space Mountain, hahahaha

lol, i think i would easily be fired from Disney because I would also laugh in their face; I know I can't hold it in. :zipit:......wait.....:drevil: (lol)
 

PurpleDragon

Well-Known Member
That's exactly the problem.

As I said above, I *more than completely* understand the need for refurbs. People will *ALWAYS* complain when rides are down. However, this past week with the Mansion down, with all the other unexpected closures that seem to be plaguing the park (especially Pirates), it really was at a fever pitch.

And what you posted above is where the larger issue lies. Several people have pointed out that if you go to WDW's website, open the calendar, and then look at the rehabs and closures...yup, it's there. How many ACTUAL vacationers know to do such a thing? We have to remember that we are all hyper-aware, and the average person is not.

The problem is that Disney isn't doing a lot to tell people before hand. There is no sign saying the Mansion is down until you are standing in front of it, and the only other notice is the "temporarily closed for refurbishment" in the daily guide. That's not a terrible lot. At the least there should be signage outside of the park for things being down.

Then again, obviously how much can they do. It's a tough situation. I agree completely that Space is going to be a nightmare. Disneyland and WDW are two totally different beasts. The one thing I've taken from seeing this all unfold last week is that I am even more certain we will NEVER see the "holiday" overlay here as they do there. There is NO WAY the MK can handle the extensive downtimes on each end of the display.

It would be less of a problem if they could keep the other rides running constantly, but of course that is impossible. That's why, even though the MK is a "full day" park, it really does need another E-ticket. It just can't handle closures very well when you take something down for months at a time - which I'm sure is one of the reasons so many of these rides have been neglected for so many years.

AEfx



If I'm not mistaken, I remember there used to be signs at the ticket booths that had a list of attractions that were down for refurb, just like may other amusment parks do. Is that still not the case?

WDW does offer numerous places to find out which attractions are down for refurb, so honestly the guests cannot complain if they did not do their homework before entering the parks. They have the daily guide given to them at the resorts, they have the signage at the entrance to the park, the have the info on the website, and I'm sure there are other places the info is posted, so the info is definately out there. WDW should not be expected to hold every persons hand and give them every bit of info they want on a silver platter, guests need to take the initiative and do some reading before entering a park. They can't assume that every attraction will be open every single day of the year, I mean c'mon things happen and refurbs/repairs are needed.
 

Lee

Adventurer
The main thing they could do , and actually should do, is to put the information about refurbs in with planning dvd's and reservation confirmation packets. A little extra effort like that would go a long way towards easing guest complaints.
 

Beauty_Belle

New Member
Lee, that is a wonderful idea! I wish they would do that. It can get overwhelming for people at times. Some people even plan out what time they will go to an attraction.
 

Hummer1676

New Member
I agree, good idea Lee. Are you and Corrus sitting on anymore nuggets? Are there anyother hints you can give us? I know you have confidentiality agreements, i was just curious.
 

DisneyLeo18

Active Member
im not in the marketing or advertising business or anything, but wouldnt it be expensive to constantly change the planning DVD's everytime a ride is down for refurb?? i would assume they have the same planning DVD for a length of time even just for one year. I dont know just my view.
 

Chape19714

Well-Known Member
im not in the marketing or advertising business or anything, but wouldnt it be expensive to constantly change the planning DVD's everytime a ride is down for refurb?? i would assume they have the same planning DVD for a length of time even just for one year. I dont know just my view.
All you would need is a copy of the letter on the gates inserted into every reservation and planning video, with exact dates printed on the back. Very simple, no changes to DVDs at all.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
If I'm not mistaken, I remember there used to be signs at the ticket booths that had a list of attractions that were down for refurb, just like may other amusment parks do. Is that still not the case?

They do not seem do this anymore . Doing this simple thing would go a long way to mitigate the situation. They did not have one at the MK as of this Wednesday, and to be honest I can't think of when I've seen one at Disney in many years. Anyone else know when they did away with them?

WDW does offer numerous places to find out which attractions are down for refurb, so honestly the guests cannot complain if they did not do their homework before entering the parks.
That's just it...homework on vacation? Most people don't think in those terms. Most people think it's insane that you have to book popular meals SIX MONTHS OUT now. Most people are completely clueless when it comes to WDW planning.

The only way to know about a refurb ahead of time is to go to the website and click on a series of specific links to find them, or come someplace like this. It just doesn't occur to most people that they need to do so. You and I may understand this but as I have said repeatedly in this discussion we are not the normal visitor.

They have the daily guide given to them at the resorts, they have the signage at the entrance to the park, the have the info on the website, and I'm sure there are other places the info is posted, so the info is definately out there.
I'm sorry, but this just is not true. The do NOT have signage at the entrance to the park, the info is buried on the website, and someone who is staying on-site right now can clarify but I do not believe the info is on the daily guide given at Disney resorts. It only appears on the daily guide you get once you are at the park. (AFAIR, the specific attraction operating hours do not appear on the all-parks guide, but only the individual park guides.)

If you are "sure" there are other places it is posted, please share them. 'cause if I don't know about them, I'm sure the average guest wouldn't have a clue. As I said above, the only way to know the Mansion was closed before you walked up to it was to find out about it on the Internet before hand or in the daily guide once you got to the park.

As Lee pointed out, there are other ways they could notify people of the refurbs that are for an extended period of time. The truth is the same reason they don't have a sign out front telling you anymore : they don't want you to know before hand. All that does is discourage people from coming in there eyes, I'd assume.

There are many more ways for them to get the word out, and right now they just aren't.

WDW should not be expected to hold every persons hand and give them every bit of info they want on a silver platter, guests need to take the initiative and do some reading before entering a park. They can't assume that every attraction will be open every single day of the year, I mean c'mon things happen and refurbs/repairs are needed.
They don't need to hand-hold, but they also (as well as yourself) need to realize that not every guest is a Disney expert. And you are correct, as I have said over and over in this discussion, that yes, rehabs/etc. happen and so should they. I'm the last one that needs to be lectured on that topic as I wrote that book, LOL. The problem is how unless you know to check one specific section of their website, this information isn't available for this extensive, lengthy, planned rehab until you are standing in front of the attraction or get a times guide when you arrive at the park. This isn't a "repair" closure, but a well-planned 3 month closing.

I would have much less of a complaint if there was signage, as you pointed out, like every other theme park. This time there isn't. They don't seem to want to advertise that one of the park's major attractions is down. As I said above, I knew full well, but the combination of the vast majority of park guests not knowing about it until they arrive and the fact that so very many of the MK's E-tickets were down off and on last week had some very unhappy people at the MK. If they were just ignorant or not is irrelevant, as it remains that Disney had some very unhappy guests and will continue to do so unless they make a tiny bit more effort in letting people know. This problem is only going to get worse if these extensive rehabs continue, as we all hope they will.

It also highlights how fragile the MK really is. People expect boffo entertainment there, and when a major E-ticket is down for an extended period, and then the normal gremlins hit and other E-tickets go down, even if it's not Disney's fault it still draws the ire of lots of guests. I saw even reasonable people getting upset when the Mansion is closed, Pirates is down, Space Mountain is so down the lights are on, then the rain/thunder forces Splash and BTM to close. Now, you and I as Disney fans know this kind of thing happens, but the vast majority of the public is there on their once-in-a-lifetime dream vacations, and when you can't even find an attraction to wait in line in it must be very difficult.

It's an issue Disney will need to address as they do all of these very needed rehabs.

AEfx
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
All you would need is a copy of the letter on the gates inserted into every reservation and planning video, with exact dates printed on the back. Very simple, no changes to DVDs at all.

Even this very simple change would help.

We all understand the hows and whys, but even just a little notice to people (i.e. your suggestion, as well as signage at the entrance) would have gone a LONG way toward people and their reactions being less negative.

AEfx
 

mousermerf

Account Suspended
Original Poster
They don't inform people of rehabs well at all.

AA closes on the 18th to the 21st and it's not even on the Disney website.
 

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