DManRightHere
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This is the metaphor I was going to say. I don't see Disney as a volcano that is going to explode anytime soon, it will be like a volcano in Hawaii, slow and steady lol.
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Has WDW managed to be more secretive than USO?
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This is the metaphor I was going to say. I don't see Disney as a volcano that is going to explode anytime soon, it will be like a volcano in Hawaii, slow and steady lol.
Disneyhead'71
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Really? Tell me about USF's KidZone redo. Or what is coming to JP. Or the future of the WnW real estate.
We have been able to predict hotels and attractions and where each were getting built, like clockwork. It's like Uni is following a plan.
To this day, we have no idea if the DHS expansion will be just Star Wars or if Star Wars will be getting its own gate. We don't know if the DHS expansion will include additions to Toy Story, though we assume Toy Story Playland is coming. We have no idea if Cars Land or RRS is coming. We have rumors of all possible combinations of these, but nothing solid. I believe Disney may not have known either and that all these rumors were actually developed into plans that were shelved for each of these variants. It is unknown what variant has been green lit. We have no clue what is to become of Imagination or the WoL Pavilion. We want all of Future World updated and assume at least some will, but we have not one iota of evidence of such.
I doubt that Universal has even started any serious work for the Wet and Wild Property. Their focus now is the water park, the hotel, Kong. As these are wrapping up, they will probably decide what will go into Wet and Wild. More hotels is a given. They may even be considering a third park, but they will need to do a cost benefit analysis and decide if it is worth doing.
Disneyhead'71
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Actually, both of the last Universal hotels came out of the blue. We knew the plots were earmarked for resorts, but no one knew they were ready to pull the trigger.
The only thing Disney has done that surprised anyone is Avatar.
The only thing Disney has done that surprised anyone is Avatar.
AswaySuller
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Who cares if its predictable? It gets done. The only reason we know kong is kong because they started clearing land and it was leaked and guess what it's now heavily in construction. What's predictable is whatever Disney build will take an age. Yes they're building an extra soarin theatre and tsmm track but the layman doesn't care about that the layman cares about attractions.
Kong wasn't exactly predictable at all either... Do we know what it is? Yes. But that doesn't mean it's "predictable"there wasn't one person who when heard universal were bringing back kong shrugged and thought "knew it" most people were like HOLY S**t.
How can you say kong was predictable... Surely in that essence Disney are predictable because we know they will do something with Star Wars
AswaySuller
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How on earth do you know that? I'm sorry but Diagon alley is going to take some beating and Im not confident 2015 TDO is capable... Trust me I hope I'm wrong but im sceptical
Disneyhead'71
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You do know Universal is building a whole new park right now that includes a 200' tall volcano. Right? So that volcano you were mentioning is being built by Uni.
I don't believe that WDW is working on a new park of any kind.
That's a water park. WDI is working on a complete park redo and expansion... Which is a lot more than a water park!
I'm going by the rumors and the rumored budgets.
lazyboy97o
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Springfield and Transformers also pretty much came out of the blue.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
This entire line of thinking is backwards. Disney CAN build quickly but they don't have to, so they don't. Universal isn't building quickly because they can, they're building quickly because they have to. People forget that Universal was in dangerous shape from a business perspective before Potter. The fire under their is from desparation (not so much any more, but when expansion started 5-10 years ago).
Put simply, crowds are going to Universal to experience the latest and greatest attraction. Crowds are going to Disney to experience classic attractions regardless of what year the last E-ticket was built. We can debate the implications of those facts, but facts they are.
Yes, Universal is moving faster than Disney but they're still miles behind in the metrics that matter: room nights and clicks. And they always will be just in the nature of the two properties.
ETA: Most importantly, neither business runs itself to be in competition with the other. Disney doesn't care how long it takes for Universal to build a new ride if Disney's pace works for Disney. Nobody is racing, so it's pretty stupid to make claims about somebody being faster than somebody else. Whoever said New Fantasyland was a response to Potter is completely ignorant of the facts on the subject.
Put simply, crowds are going to Universal to experience the latest and greatest attraction. Crowds are going to Disney to experience classic attractions regardless of what year the last E-ticket was built. We can debate the implications of those facts, but facts they are.
Yes, Universal is moving faster than Disney but they're still miles behind in the metrics that matter: room nights and clicks. And they always will be just in the nature of the two properties.
ETA: Most importantly, neither business runs itself to be in competition with the other. Disney doesn't care how long it takes for Universal to build a new ride if Disney's pace works for Disney. Nobody is racing, so it's pretty stupid to make claims about somebody being faster than somebody else. Whoever said New Fantasyland was a response to Potter is completely ignorant of the facts on the subject.
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There are Disney rumors and there are Uni rumors. Both sources of rumors have credible people on the inside. The Disney rumors keep changing. The Uni rumors stay the same and get built. The Disney rumors either get built, die, or are replaced by so thing else. It is not the fault of the Disney insider for getting it wrong, as I believe Disney truly were working on whatever was rumored. It's just Disney has a habit of changing its mind, substituting one project for another, or all out canceling something at the 11th hour. I never hear this happening with any of the Universal rumors or creditable source.
The frustrating thing now about Disney is the cold silence. I think they have cracked down on leaks. The DHS project and the Star Wars project, for example, should be so well along by now. Keep in mind, we knew that they were working on these things for years now! Not one leak? Not a single detail? These projects should be in advanced stages right now and all we hear are crickets. We know that there's more than crickets. They even showed us there were more than crickets even two years ago... Remember Orange Harvest?
EpcoTim
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You don't have the foggiest idea how much work either company is putting into their projects.
lazyboy97o
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No, Universal made very drastic shifts and cuts to who is involved in decision making. They're working differently so that they save time and money while still putting out a steady stream of mostly quality product. Disney has been an ever growing, ever slowing bureaucracy for decades.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
I'm not arguing about those things. I'm pointing out that those things are utterly irrelevant. Each resort is doing well for its parent company and the comparison between the two is nothing more than a distraction for bored fanboiis.
This argument reminds me of DC fanboiis who cheer for Marvel movies to fail just so they can feel superior. Who cares? If DC makes a movie you like, go see it. Marvel's box office has nothing to do with you.
lazyboy97o
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Universal's pace had become the envy of the industry. Disney would love to be able to move like them because reduced costs mean higher profits.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Disney's cost control issues are a product of many things, but pace of construction is far down that list.
I'm assuming the DHS work is similar to the scope of DCA 2.0. Add to that everything already started such as Avatar and Disney Springs and additional projects outside of DHS and I'd say the Disney projects as a whole eclipses the USO projects.