Harry Potter ride good idea

[FantasmicFan]

sorry, i posted that while you posted the your reason.lol

lol doesn't matter

 

[PintoColvig]

Have you actually read the books?

I take it you havn't read the books.:lol:

Hey, I have no desire to slammed and flamed today by all the JK Rowling groupies. I also don’t want to spend my day trying to research a bunch of examples to defend myself. Nevertheless, I have seen the movies but not read the books. It is my opinion that in the HP movies that the line is quite blurry between “white” (good) magic and “dark” (evil) magic. (Isn’t one of the professors a professor of Dark Arts?) It just seems to me that the Good vs. Evil theme, particularly when it comes to the use of magic, isn’t as clearly defined in HP like it is in Narnia or the Lord of the Rings. With that said, if I’m going to expose my children to fantasy stories at a Disney theme park, my preference would be that the those stories lean in the direction of Narnia instead of HP.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Hey, I have no desire to slammed and flamed today by all the JK Rowling groupies. I also don’t want to spend my day trying to research a bunch of examples to defend myself. Nevertheless, I have seen the movies but not read the books. It is my opinion that in the HP movies that the line is quite blurry between “white” (good) magic and “dark” (evil) magic. (Isn’t one of the professors a professor of Dark Arts?) It just seems to me that the Good vs. Evil theme, particularly when it comes to the use of magic, isn’t as clearly defined in HP like it is in Narnia or the Lord of the Rings. With that said, if I’m going to expose my children to fantasy stories at a Disney theme park, my preference would be that the those stories lean in the direction of Narnia instead of HP.

Well stated. :sohappy:

 

[imagineer boy]

(Isn’t one of the professors a professor of Dark Arts? )

No, its defence against the dark arts class.

It just seems to me that the Good vs. Evil theme, particularly when it comes to the use of magic, isn’t as clearly defined in HP like it is in Narnia or the Lord of the Rings.

I don't know, I thought it was pretty well defined in the books. Harry fighting the dark lord voldemort and his forces of evil wizards is pretty well explained IMO.

 

[Lee]

Warner Bros. does NOT have any theme park rights to the Potter property. What they have is the rights to the images from the films, the props, and the films themselves.

If Disney were to build a Potter ride, which there have indeed been some mild overtures made to JKR, it woiuld have to use the character likenesses from the book illustrations, not the images from the films. Example: No Daniel Radcliffe AA.

Warners has shown no real interest in any Potter attractions, other than displaying a ton of props on the backlot at their studios. (Yep, I've had the real sorting hat on my head, handled the Hogwarts quidditch set, and felt around in the cupboard under the stairs....I rule.)

 

[CaptainMichael]

I rule.)

That's very true!

 

[CaptainMichael]

Hey, I have no desire to slammed and flamed today by all the JK Rowling groupies. I also don’t want to spend my day trying to research a bunch of examples to defend myself. Nevertheless, I have seen the movies but not read the books. It is my opinion that in the HP movies that the line is quite blurry between “white” (good) magic and “dark” (evil) magic. (Isn’t one of the professors a professor of Dark Arts?) It just seems to me that the Good vs. Evil theme, particularly when it comes to the use of magic, isn’t as clearly defined in HP like it is in Narnia or the Lord of the Rings. With that said, if I’m going to expose my children to fantasy stories at a Disney theme park, my preference would be that the those stories lean in the direction of Narnia instead of HP.

In book/movie 4 they make clear distinctions between bad and good magic....and as Imagineer Boy pointed out it is DEFENSE against the Dark Arts. In book 5, Harry starts a group dedicated to fighting and defeating evil. Read the books before you pass judgement because the movies are very condensed.

 

[scottnj1966]

It is not a Disney Movie. They own no rights.
Why keep talking about it?

If Disney ever got the rights then maybe you can talk but now it cannot happen.

 

[PintoColvig]

Read the books before you pass judgement because the movies are very condensed.

So are you saying that the movies portray something different than the books? Even if the books give a different take than the movies, a Harry Potter attraction would represent both the books and the movies. And the movies (which I've seen), in my opinion, present too much "gray" when it comes to distinguishing "good" magic vs. "dark" magic. That may not seem like a big deal to many but it is to me.

I'm sure you realize that I'm not alone in my concern about HP. The American Library Association has noted that the HP series topped the list of most challenged books for a four year period http://www.ala.org/ala/pressreleasesbucket/pressreleases2003/harrypotterseries.htm. Whether the concerns many people have are valid or not, it seems to make better sense for Disney to construct a Chronicles of Narnia attraction, a wonderful yet less controversial property and one with which they are already aligned. Again, just my opinion.

Would it be the worst thing ever if a Harry Potter attraction was built in Disney? Not as long a Stitch's Great Escape and Journey Into Imagination are still operating!

Now, I think I've shared about all I need to share on this topic. Have a magical day! :wave:

 

[CaptainMichael]

So are you saying that the movies portray something different than the books? Even if the books give a different take than the movies, a Harry Potter attraction would represent both the books and the movies. And the movies (which I've seen), in my opinion, present too much "gray" when it comes to distinguishing "good" magic vs. "dark" magic. That may not seem like a big deal to many but it is to me.

I'm sure you realize that I'm not alone in my concern about HP. The American Library Association has noted that the HP series topped the list of most challenged books for a four year period http://www.ala.org/ala/pressreleasesbucket/pressreleases2003/harrypotterseries.htm. Whether the concerns many people have are valid or not, it seems to make better sense for Disney to construct a Chronicles of Narnia attraction, a wonderful yet less controversial property and one with which they are already aligned. Again, just my opinion.

Gray areas? It is clearly defined.
Most bad people come from Slytherin and Durmstrang. The wizard equivalent of the KKK are the Deatheaters. Bad people go to Azkaban for doing bad things. Bad people shop on Knockturn Alley. Bad people treat humans and mudbloods (nasty term) as inferior. Bad people use dark magic (unforgivable curses) that hate is required to use. Good and evil is pretty much black and white in Harry Potter, but just like in real life, there are some people in the gray area.

Prayer in schools is also contested...Most good things usually are....even Disney has had its fair share of opposition.

 

[M:SpilotISTC12]

It is not a Disney Movie. They own no rights.
Why keep talking about it?

If Disney ever got the rights then maybe you can talk but now it cannot happen.

I agree. Talk about Harry Potter the books and movies in another thread. If your going to talk about the ride possibilities then fine. There is no sense arguing over Harry Potter. PintoColvig is now done on the Harry Potter storyline discussion. There should be no reason for anyone to bring the storyline back up. Now STR8FAN2005 dont bring it up again. I believe that when Harry Potter is talked about on here it brings the worst in all of us. I have never seen a mean post come from STR8FAN2005 and that surprised me to see one on this thread. So please just talk about the ride because Im sick of coming to this thread hoping to talk about the ride and see and arguement.

 

[CaptainMichael]

I agree. Talk about Harry Potter the books and movies in another thread. If your going to talk about the ride possibilities then fine. There is no sense arguing over Harry Potter. PintoColvig is now done on the Harry Potter storyline discussion. There should be no reason for anyone to bring the storyline back up. Now STR8FAN2005 dont bring it up again. I believe that when Harry Potter is talked about on here it brings the worst in all of us. I have never seen a mean post come from STR8FAN2005 and that surprised me to see one on this thread. So please just talk about the ride because Im sick of coming to this thread hoping to talk about the ride and see and arguement.

What post are you talking about?

Now, to the arguement, that is an unfortunate part of this discussion, but it has everything to do with a ride/attraction based on Harry Potter. I am not going to let people come on here and spew uneducated falsehoods about something that is near and dear to my heart, Harry Potter. The storyline of Harry Potter has everything to do with a potential Harry Potter ride/attraction, especially when people bring it up as an undeserved negative.

Now back to the ride/attraction, I would like something revolutionary.

 

[PintoColvig]

I am not going to let people come on here and spew uneducated falsehoods about something that is near and dear to my heart, Harry Potter.

Spew? Listen, friend, all I did was give my opinion about the movies and how I felt about the appropriateness of a HP attraction. I didn't state it with a venomous tone. Feel free to disagree but don't take it so personally. If you do, please have a glance at my sig.

Now, on to happier things. :wave:

EDIT: spacing

 

[wannab@dis]

What post are you talking about?

Now, to the arguement, that is an unfortunate part of this discussion, but it has everything to do with a ride/attraction based on Harry Potter. I am not going to let people come on here and spew uneducated falsehoods about something that is near and dear to my heart, Harry Potter. The storyline of Harry Potter has everything to do with a potential Harry Potter ride/attraction, especially when people bring it up as an undeserved negative.

Now back to the ride/attraction, I would like something revolutionary.

A lot of people see Harry Potter books and movies to be more about dark magic and not enough "good". Don't take it personal that someone doesn't agree with you about a book or sees things differently. Many of the people that don't care for all the 'evil' in Harry Potter are more educated than any of us. :wave:

 

[JimboJones123]

Warner Bros. does NOT have any theme park rights to the Potter property. What they have is the rights to the images from the films, the props, and the films themselves.

If Disney were to build a Potter ride, which there have indeed been some mild overtures made to JKR, it woiuld have to use the character likenesses from the book illustrations, not the images from the films. Example: No Daniel Radcliffe AA.

Warners has shown no real interest in any Potter attractions, other than displaying a ton of props on the backlot at their studios. (Yep, I've had the real sorting hat on my head, handled the Hogwarts quidditch set, and felt around in the cupboard under the stairs....I rule.)

Nor in any of their properties. The only attractions they have are DC based. They don't have anything to do with any of their other franchises.

 

[CaptainMichael]

A lot of people see Harry Potter books and movies to be more about dark magic and not enough "good".

Exactly, that's why I had to defend it because that is an improper assumption about Harry Potter.

Don't take it personal that someone doesn't agree with you about a book or sees things differently.

I'm not, but I need to offer the counterpoint.

Many of the people that don't care for all the 'evil' in Harry Potter are more educated than any of us. :wave:

Not educated about Harry Potter:wave:

So, back to the ride system...I'm thinking of a hybrid darkride with some AA's

 

[Shaman]

.....And the movies (which I've seen), in my opinion, present too much "gray" when it comes to distinguishing "good" magic vs. "dark" magic. That may not seem like a big deal to many but it is to me.

I'm sure you realize that I'm not alone in my concern about HP....

I totally respect your opinion. But if it wouldn't be too much trouble, can you think of any examples? Fact is, you're right, you're not alone in your concern....although we can blame some people's concern on ignorant cries from ministers, priests and fundamentalist religious special interest groups for that (the same kind that boycott Disney).

What would you define as good magic and what would you define as bad (or dark) magic? Is life really black and white? Dark or light? Did not Jesus himself say that he who is without sin cast the first stone. Writers usually go for real characters...with faults especially...like the normal person.

All that being said, and really not the topic of this thread, I think a Harry Potter attraction would be cool....and when all is said and done, I don't really care who builds it...just as long as they do it right.

btw...in all fairness I have not read the books either...but have seen all the films...*shrug*

 

[CaptainMichael]

I totally respect your opinion. But if it wouldn't be too much trouble, can you think of any examples? Fact is, you're right, you're not alone in your concern....although we can blame some people's concern on ignorant cries from ministers, priests and fundamentalist religious special interest groups for that (the same kind that boycott Disney).

What would you define as good magic and what would you define as bad (or dark) magic? Is life really black and white? Dark or light? Did not Jesus himself say that he who is without sin cast the first stone. Writers usually go for real characters...with faults especially...like the normal person.

All that being said, and really not the topic of this thread, I think a Harry Potter attraction would be cool....and when all is said and done, I don't really care who builds it...just as long as they do it right.

btw...in all fairness I have not read the books either...but have seen all the films...*shrug*

Excellent post!

And I agree, I just want the best Harry Potter attraction possible to be built, and that's why I support Disney.

Well, if you love the films, you really should treat yourself to the books, but if that's not your thing, that's cool too!:wave:

 

[PintoColvig]

I totally respect your opinion. But if it wouldn't be too much trouble, can you think of any examples?

I also don’t want to spend my day trying to research a bunch of examples to defend myself.

I'm going to ignore the accusations and religious arguments you made in the remainder of your post. This is not the forum for such discussions.

Wow, this thread is like getting sucked into a swirling vortex that you can't get out of. :brick:

Oh, and I'm out of here!

 

[Shaman]

I'm going to ignore the accusations and religious arguments you made in the remainder of your post. This is not the forum for such discussions.

Wow, this thread is like getting sucked into a swirling vortex that you can't get out of. :brick:

Oh, and I'm out of here!

Fair enough.

*tries to close swirling vortex*

btw it was not my intent of accusing YOU of anything...sorry if it came off that way....