Han Solo - A Star Wars Story

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
You're right. Over saturation could be a big problem. But they're not going to let that stop them either. Just look at what's in the future.


Star Wars: Episode IX
December 20, 2019
Director: J.J. Abrams
Writer: Chris Terrio and J.J. Abrams
Lot's to fix from Ep 8. At this point, I'm keeping my expectations really, really low as I don't think that A) it can't be done and B) i'm not entirely sure they want to.

Star Wars: Boba Fett
Date TBA
Director: James Mangold
Writer: James Mangold
Loved the Logan movie. Great choice for writer/director here.

Rian Johnson's New Star Wars Trilogy
Dates TBA
Writer: Rian Johnson
All we know is that this will take place in previously unexplored areas of the Star Wars universe, and it will kick off a brand new saga of movies completely unrelated to the Skywalker story.
Funny, Episode 8 was unrelated to the Skywalker story too. Have little to no interest here unless he gets some serious help. I mean, just watch this.

New Series from David Benioff and D.B. Weiss
Dates TBA
Writers: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss
Not sure what to expect here. I've never watched Game of Thrones but it seems to be popular. We'll see.

Star Wars: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Date TBA
A standalone movie focusing on Obi-Wan Kenobi has been rumored for a long time, and it sounds like it's finally happening. Stephen Daldry (Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close) is in early talks to direct. It's unclear if Ewan McGregor will reprise his role as the Jedi Master, but the actor has said in the past that he'd be happy to return for another movie. He might just get his wish.
If they choose anyone other than Ewan McGregor, forget it. So, 50 - 50, for now.



This does not even include the new Star Wars animated series or the live action TV series to be done by Jon Favreau.



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9 is a dumpster fire and abrams frankly can’t do much with it. He’s not THAT GUY...that Disney fans seem to believe he is after one bloated box office.

I bet dimes to dollars that rian Johnson never goes near a Star Wars again...because it’s the only position that can legitimately hold true if they want to maintain the brand.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
9 is a dumpster fire and abrams frankly can’t do much with it. He’s not THAT GUY...that Disney fans seem to believe he is after one bloated box office.

I bet dimes to dollars that rian Johnson never goes near a Star Wars again...because it’s the only position that can legitimately hold true if they want to maintain the brand.

Except they gave Johnson the reigns to the next trilogy... :mad:
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Doesn't mean anything at this point in the game. Just ask Colin Trevorrow, Phil Lord and Christopher Miller.

I'm not expecting it, but I've got my fingers crossed they'll axe Rian "I can't write nor direct a Star Wars story" Johnson.

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Ah, that's true, I forgot how many directors have been jettisoned in recent years.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
This wasn't one of Disney's best marketing efforts. They created a lot of unnecessary pressure and criticism.

As an example, I would have been hooked with:

"The Kessel Run - The Legend of the Millennium Falcon"

Rather than - "Solo - A Star Wars Story.

It would have positioned Han Solo as a major player in the story rather than the perception of him being the story. It would have made things easier for everybody: the fans, the director, and especially Ehrenreich.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
So I'm the perfect person they want to get into the theaters: I am a huge SW fan (read some of the novels, have seen all of Clone Wars and Rebels), I loved the original trilogy (they were my childhood), didn't care for the prequels as much but still went to see them, and really enjoyed TFA, TLJ, and Rogue One - I saw all three in theaters. Yet I am not going to see Solo in the theaters. Why? I don't have time.

I'm a father two two kids (one being a just turned 1-year old), have a pretty demanding job, and a hectic schedule. I don't get to the movies that often, as it's a big time commitment. Certainly no more than once a month. And you know what? I just saw Infinity War. I'm going to be taking our older son to see Incredibles in a couple of weeks, maybe Ant Man and the Wasp in July... Something had to give, I couldn't see all of them in the theaters, and Solo is what I cut. I'm sure it's a fine movie - it seems like a fun romp, and I definitely want to see it, but it didn't seem *epic* the same way that TFA, TLJ, and even Rouge One seemed *epic*. Given Solo vs. Infinity War (as a fan of both Marvel and SW), Infinity War seemed far more important to the storyline of that franchise than Solo did to its franchise. Given that Infinity War and Solo were so close in release date, that's the decision I had to make. Had Solo been released in December (when not much else that I am interested in was going on), or if it had been Solo vs. Ant Man and the Wasp, I may have chosen differently. I'll certainly buy it once it's available for streaming, I just won't go see it in theaters.

Also, it was memorial day, a bad time for movies IMO.

I suspect there are a lot of people who made similar decisions to mine. I doubt this is The Last Jedi backlash, because most people I know loved the film. In fact, IRL I've only met one person who didn't like the film.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
So I'm the perfect person they want to get into the theaters: I am a huge SW fan (read some of the novels, have seen all of Clone Wars and Rebels), I loved the original trilogy (they were my childhood), didn't care for the prequels as much but still went to see them, and really enjoyed TFA, TLJ, and Rogue One - I saw all three in theaters. Yet I am not going to see Solo in the theaters. Why? I don't have time.

I'm a father two two kids (one being a just turned 1-year old), have a pretty demanding job, and a hectic schedule. I don't get to the movies that often, as it's a big time commitment. Certainly no more than once a month. And you know what? I just saw Infinity War. I'm going to be taking our older son to see Incredibles in a couple of weeks, maybe Ant Man and the Wasp in July... Something had to give, I couldn't see all of them in the theaters, and Solo is what I cut. I'm sure it's a fine movie - it seems like a fun romp, and I definitely want to see it, but it didn't seem *epic* the same way that TFA, TLJ, and even Rouge One seemed *epic*. Given Solo vs. Infinity War (as a fan of both Marvel and SW), Infinity War seemed far more important to the storyline of that franchise than Solo did to its franchise. Given that Infinity War and Solo were so close in release date, that's the decision I had to make. Had Solo been released in December (when not much else that I am interested in was going on), or if it had been Solo vs. Ant Man and the Wasp, I may have chosen differently. I'll certainly buy it once it's available for streaming, I just won't go see it in theaters.

Also, it was memorial day, a bad time for movies IMO.

I suspect there are a lot of people who made similar decisions to mine. I doubt this is The Last Jedi backlash, because most people I know loved the film. In fact, IRL I've only met one person who didn't like the film.
I'm sure that is pretty much what happen. It wasn't because some fat slob on youtube said to stay away. The market is just overly saturated. Solo isn't an epic movie but a good western.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
I'm sure that is pretty much what happen. It wasn't because some fat slob on youtube said to stay away. The market is just overly saturated. Solo isn't an epic movie but a good western.
I agree although by Market I don't just mean Star Wars, I mean blockbuster action/sci-fi/superhero movies...
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
I'm sure that is pretty much what happen. It wasn't because some fat slob on youtube said to stay away. The market is just overly saturated. Solo isn't an epic movie but a good western.
I think the "boycott" has a lot to do with it. What it has done is create enough doubt in peoples minds to stay away. I love talking star wars, so I try to talk to anyone I can. I find that the same thing keeps coming up. The people who haven't seen it all say something to the effect, I hear its to not very good. Yet almost everyone who I've talked to who did see it say they thought it was at least really good. So something has tainted the perception and I think the fan backlash (while not the only thing) has a lot to do with it.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I think the "boycott" has a lot to do with it. What it has done is create enough doubt in peoples minds to stay away. I love talking star wars, so I try to talk to anyone I can. I find that the same thing keeps coming up. The people who haven't seen it all say something to the effect, I hear its to not very good. Yet almost everyone who I've talked to who did see it say they thought it was at least really good. So something has tainted the perception and I think the fan backlash (while not the only thing) has a lot to do with it.

I think it has to do with the rise of Nerd Culture and everyone wants to be a YouTube star. Everyone has to act all high and mighty about it. If they are boycotting the rest of the Disney movies can't they boycott the obnoxious rants too? There is an excessive amount of energy to hate something so vigorously. The entire point of TLJ was to train fans to let go, and most refuse to do so. Nerd culture is just too surly.

It reminds me of pro wrestling sites where you get fan reaction every week. Every week, it's the same thing; show airs Monday night, everyone says it's the worst episode ever, why can't it be as good as it was 20 years ago, people vowing to stop watching forever. Then the next week it's the same people watching and complaining, and spending the rest of the week talking about how much the show sucks. This is what the Star Wars/Disney hatred stuff reminds me of. If it's so bad, why continue to watch? Turn the TV and computer off and go for a walk; you might find a new hobby in the process.

I do love how the Prequels are now well regarded thanks to memes, and children who grew up with them entering the world of the Internet.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Since opening Thursday night, the Rotten Tomatoes user's score has gone up a full 10 points. People who actually see this and aren't throwing a fit actually like it (maybe not rave about it...).
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Since opening Thursday night, the Rotten Tomatoes user's score has gone up a full 10 points. People who actually see this and aren't throwing a fit actually like it (maybe not rave about it...).
To be fair, naysayers of TLJ pointed to the poor Rotten Tomatoes user score to show that most didn't like it, and the counter argument used by those who liked TLJ was that it's an unscientific poll. You can't then use the same metric as it goes up for Solo to say people who actually see it, like it -- since anyone can go on and give it a review. You even said this with TLJ
But, that's the problem with unscientific polls. They're almost completely useless. Using the self-reporting polls from RT or IMDB is a waste of time to bolster any argument about "whether people liked it."

Point instead to the CinemaScore which was an A- the same score as the prequels.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
To be fair, naysayers of TLJ pointed to the poor Rotten Tomatoes user score to show that most didn't like it, and the counter argument used by those who liked TLJ was that it's an unscientific poll. You can't then use the same metric as it goes up for Solo to say people who actually see it, like it -- since anyone can go on and give it a review. You even said this with TLJ

No, that's the point, it started at 55% because of haters pre-tanking it. Then it rose in number (as opposed to TLJ which only went down), which shows that the hate and determination to sink it not only isn't there, but the majority of users are overcoming the initial haters and the user score is slowly coming out of its outlier status.

The larger (and still unscientific) user poll on IMDB had TLJ at 73 and Solo at 72.

Scientific polls of the audience are at A-, and 89% 'like'.

This time, the critics are lower than the public, 62 and 65 (RT and Metacritic).

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spacemt354

Chili's
No, that's the point, it started at 55% because of haters pre-tanking it. Then it rose in number (as opposed to TLJ which only went down), which shows that the hate and determination to sink it not only isn't there, but the majority of users are overcoming the initial haters and the user score is slowly coming out of its outlier status.

The larger (and still unscientific) user poll on IMDB had TLJ at 73 and Solo at 72.

Scientific polls of the audience are at A-, and 89% 'like'.

This time, the critics are lower than the public, 62 and 65 (RT and Metacritic).

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No it's not the point - you just used an unscientific poll in RT and inferred that more people must actually like it.

When just a few months ago, as quoted, because I recall agreeing with your notion, you rejected using RT scores, because as you said, they're almost "completely useless" in determining whether or not "people liked it"

It was pre-established that unscientific polls are useless, why is it now even being referenced is my point?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
No it's not the point - you just used an unscientific poll in RT and inferred that more people must actually like it.

When just a few months ago, as quoted, because I recall agreeing with your notion, you rejected using RT scores, because as you said, they're almost "completely useless" in determining whether or not "people liked it"

It was pre-established that unscientific polls are useless, why is it now even being referenced is my point?

...we got some posting amnesia at work here, don’t we??
 

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