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Guns At Disney
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McArcDes
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It is truly a sad day in America when we are more concerned about toy guns than the real ones......I am really getting sick and tired having to "adjust" my thoughts and feelings to fit the politically correct ideas that are now "ascceptable" in America today. Are we becoming entrenched in a sociaty where we think we are free and are really not?!?!?
castlecake
New Member
Yeah, lets give our kids fake guns to play with, but lets not stop there! Give them fake bombs too, its alright there only fake, we can make them with bright colours so they can be "fun"! Oh and 'toy' landmines, kids can burry them in their sand boxes, thats OK there not "real", just pretend. And while were at lets give our children 'toy' snipers its alright they wont really kill people with them, its just playing...
I am not saying alter your past, it happened, you have to live with it. But is this what you want for your children? I can not believe people give kids "toys" that KILL people! There GUNS, it doesnt matter if there not real. Children dont realize that toy guns dont kill people and real ones do. The City of Toronto Police Service created a programme where kids trade in toy guns for Goody Bags with toys appropriate for children. Maybe other cities could take our lead in an effort to give children good toys........
I am not saying alter your past, it happened, you have to live with it. But is this what you want for your children? I can not believe people give kids "toys" that KILL people! There GUNS, it doesnt matter if there not real. Children dont realize that toy guns dont kill people and real ones do. The City of Toronto Police Service created a programme where kids trade in toy guns for Goody Bags with toys appropriate for children. Maybe other cities could take our lead in an effort to give children good toys........
Lance
Active Member
As a youngster, staying in Fort Wilerness in the late 80's, early 90's, I had every gun from the FW trading posts, they were wonderful, I even remember the only one I didn't have was the elephant gun.......
Anyway, I think the guns should stay out of the parks, only because I've nearly been wacked about 5 times by some little runt swinging the thing round like a bat, with the parents walking behind them letting them get away with it. And it's the long like 3 foot rifle I'm being wacked in the knee by.......
Toy guns are serious business, you only have to look at the numerous incidents where some idiotic cop blows some kids head off cause the kid points a toy gun at him..........
I think Disney should step up and stop selling the toy guns.
Anyway, I think the guns should stay out of the parks, only because I've nearly been wacked about 5 times by some little runt swinging the thing round like a bat, with the parents walking behind them letting them get away with it. And it's the long like 3 foot rifle I'm being wacked in the knee by.......
Toy guns are serious business, you only have to look at the numerous incidents where some idiotic cop blows some kids head off cause the kid points a toy gun at him..........
I think Disney should step up and stop selling the toy guns.
RPMdfw
New Member
Guns, don't kill people. PEOPLE kill people using guns.
On the other hand, people also defend this country, fight crime, and protect their homes and their families with guns as well.
Guns are tools; that's all. We use knives in kitchens all the time. Some people use them to hurt others. Should we ban all the knives?
Sheilding children from toy guns just leads to adults who are curious about guns or who are afraid of them.
However, children who play with toy guns often pretend to be soldiers (protecting our country) or policemen (protecting and serving our communities). I know that's what my friends and I did when we played with toy guns (one of which is the toy rifle I bought at Disneyland). Are these things we want children to learn? They're things I'd want my children to learn if I had any.
Fido
Member
Well I had several toys in my youth including toy guns, trains, dinosaurs, models, etc. I have yet to own a gun, much less shoot somebody with one. I'm one of the most non-confrontational people out there. So unless me and the other millions of people that can separate fantasy from reality are wrong, it's all about upbringing and common sense. I don't believe people should have assault rifles and such, but toy guns shouldn't pose a problem unless there is a mental deficiency present. Just my thoughts on the matter...
Michael72688
New Member
This is so stupid, parents should be the ones that control what their kids buy, Disney should not have to just stop selling something because there are couple dumb people who dont like it!
wanabeimagineer
New Member
I agree that it is the child's upbringing that determines his/her ability to figure out what is right and wrong.
But you know what? I just decided I don't like Disney selling pencils because people have gotten stabbed by pencils before. Disney should stop selling them.
But you know what? I just decided I don't like Disney selling pencils because people have gotten stabbed by pencils before. Disney should stop selling them.
Here is a thought everyone might want to ponder. Do we really need to worry about socialism, communism or censorship of the tv show banning, rock music rating, book burning variety? Or should we be more concerned about the rampant spread of political correctness?
I am more concerened everyday, not about the governement taking away my freedom, but about my next door neighbors who decide we all shouldnt say this or that or do this or that cause they dont fell comfortable with it..
If you stop and think about it, this system works better than a dictatorship. Instead of restrictions on our rights being imposed initially by legislation, they are imposed on us by people we know. People who claim to be doing things for the better of all society.
Eventually, it seems that these folk become a very vocal minority. Vocal enough that laws start to get introduced in local, state and Federal governments reflecting their beliefs. Beliefs which may or may not belong to the majority. Soon rights have disappeared right out from under us by our own doing.
To me this is all pretty darn scary. More frightening than toy or real guns because it tears at the very threads that have kept this country together for over 226 years.
I could probalby write an entire essay about this subject but a Disney message board is not exactly the proper forum except as it pertains to the topic of toy guns.
Children with toy guns are at amusement parks don't cause violence. Although, I am sure if one were to look hard enough you could find a published study somewhere that states the opposite.
A child who has a postive healthy environment, with appropriate discipline and a good relationship with his or her parents is, I would imagine, less likely become violent as they get older.
Children who arrive home everyday to an empty house because both parent shave to work to afford material possessions might be more inclined to be unhappy. Especially if all they really want is love and respect instead of the latest play station game.
Parents who believe their career or social status is more important than their children's interests and feelings might be contributing factors to bad behaviour.
Most of all, children get a lot of ideas from adults about how to handle themselves. And adults give children a lot bad examples of right and wrong. We have all heard it said "Don't do as I do, Do as I say". I guess that makes everything ok, huh?
Get to know your children. Live with them. Laugh with them. Cry with them. They are your single greatest investment in the future and the most important legacy you ever will leave behind.
cymbaldiva
Active Member
This thread troubles me....
If Disney took every single thing out of the parks that bothered somebody, there would be no parks.
I'm afraid that the whole PC thing has gotten a bit out of hand.
If Disney took every single thing out of the parks that bothered somebody, there would be no parks.
I'm afraid that the whole PC thing has gotten a bit out of hand.
wyattkelly
New Member
I'm gonna weigh in on this gun controversy, and probably sound like a total doing it, but...
Guns are only as dangerous as the people who own them. I have two pistols myself, that I use for plinking at the local range, and waiting in my sock drawer in case some poor ______________ is stupid enough to break into my home. I grew up with a *great* toy double barrelled musket that my parents bought for me at Pirates of the Caribbean in 1980. It was much better made then the toys they sell there now. but my father took the time to show me how to use it safely, and when I was old enough, took me out to the range and taught me how to shoot. He took the responsibility of how to teach me how to use a gun. Which I think that a lot of parents are failing to do today. they are wanting guns to be banned, which is simply not going to happen. I'd rather have guns in the hands of the well-trained, and not in the hands of idiots who don't know how to lock them up. It's tragic when a child is hurt or killed by a gun. But 9 out of 10 times, it's not properly maintained. I blame stupidity before I blame guns.
Guns are only as dangerous as the people who own them. I have two pistols myself, that I use for plinking at the local range, and waiting in my sock drawer in case some poor ______________ is stupid enough to break into my home. I grew up with a *great* toy double barrelled musket that my parents bought for me at Pirates of the Caribbean in 1980. It was much better made then the toys they sell there now. but my father took the time to show me how to use it safely, and when I was old enough, took me out to the range and taught me how to shoot. He took the responsibility of how to teach me how to use a gun. Which I think that a lot of parents are failing to do today. they are wanting guns to be banned, which is simply not going to happen. I'd rather have guns in the hands of the well-trained, and not in the hands of idiots who don't know how to lock them up. It's tragic when a child is hurt or killed by a gun. But 9 out of 10 times, it's not properly maintained. I blame stupidity before I blame guns.
SamatBCV
Member
I have to say that I have a problem with this type of arguement in general. People often bring up this type of "domino theory" as justification for something and it just doesn't work. Take the following for example:
--Yes, take the guns out of the parks and all toy guns should be banned cause they teach kids violence. Once that happens then ban water guns and water balloons because they are toy guns and toy grenades. Then when kids use sticks as guns to play cops and robbers we need to ban them, so lets cut down all the trees in the world.--
My point is that this type of arguement can always lead to catastrophic (sp?) consequences, which is kinda ridiculous IMO. That's why I don't give those arguements any sway over me.
The fact is that America (and Canada) are democracies and market economies. If you don't like the guns, don't buy them. If enough people agree with you, Disney will stop selling them cause its not cost effective. The United States has done pretty well with our system of government and economic models (they are flawed, but in the real world it doesn't get much better). Sometimes I think people forget that the majority rule. If this thread is any indication, then the majority would clearly have Disney sell the guns.
JasonCajun
New Member
This argument is ridiculous. I had toy guns when I was a kid. I own a gun now, and I never have had the inclination to shoot someone with it.
I am more concerned about parents who do not love and pay attention to their children than I am with kids and toy guns. I guarantee you a child who is happy, lives with parents who love him, and spend time with him/her (whether he/she owns a toy gun or not) is much less likely to commit a violent crime than a child who has parents that do not care about him/her (whether he/she has a toy gun or not).
I had toy guns as a kid, I played with Transformers and GI Joes, I watched "violent" cartoons of the same, and I consider myself pretty normal. Its time to cut the crap of PC thought police and trying to impose your opinions and feelings upon everyone else. I know you would not like someone trying to impose their opinion on you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but you need to respect other people's opinions as well.
BTW, what a waste of taxpayer money that toy guns for goodies was. That stuff makes me gag.
Chris
New Member
This whole thing is crazy. Kids play with toy guns. I did. All my friends did. And as far as I know, none of us has ever killed (or even shot anyone). I have some friends that tried to keep their son from playing with toy guns. It didn't work. Everything he touched became a gun: a stick, a car, even a toothbrush. They are TOYS! My kids play with toy guns and we discuss the difference between toys and real guns. they understand that real guns are dangerous and should never be played with. Theach your childeren to be responsible and have morals and they will be okay. If we outlawed everything that has killed someone the Autopia would be gone, a car in the wrong hands can be a lethal weapon. So would PoC. Jungle Cruise wold have to go too because the safari has guns. BTMRR would have to close because just last week a train hit a car and killed the cars occupants. The list goes on. Objects and tools are not bad or dangeropus in themselves. The become so when someone who lacks moral fiber or refueses to take appropriate responsibility.
SamatBCV
Member
Chris and JasonCajun...
My point exactly. If parents take the responsibility for their children and raise them right, the kid grows up to be a good. People are always talking about "kids these days". Actually I would say its parents. Kids with parents that care about raising them right turn out ok no matter what time we're in.
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My point exactly. If parents take the responsibility for their children and raise them right, the kid grows up to be a good. People are always talking about "kids these days". Actually I would say its parents. Kids with parents that care about raising them right turn out ok no matter what time we're in.
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Dizknee_Phreek
Well-Known Member
ok, this is what i don't get. the extreme pc people are wanting guns out of disney world to raise morals and stand by family values....personally, i'd say America's morals and family values (while maybe not being at an all time low) are certainly not what they were in the 50's. did the kids growing up in the 50's have toy guns? yeah. did having a toy gun lower their morals? no. i get so sick of people trying to be politically correct! especially with disney world! it's just getting way too out of hand! honestly, how many kids these days grow up with a father or grandfather who hunts? even kids can tell a difference between a toy gun and a real gun (well, disney's toy guns, anyway) i mean, they're wooden guns! it's not like they're painted black or silver or something! *rolls eyes* i certainly hope Disney stands their ground on this one. not that i'm all for guns or anything...but trying to ban toy guns (that anyone can tell is obviously a toy gun) from a theme park is just stupid. i think if they're going to ask disney to take out the wooden guns, then they should ask disney to take out the space guns as well...after all, a gun is a gun.
RalphieN
Member
Buying a pirate gun was the highlight of my trip to WDW as a kid. In fact, I wish I still had that gun because it was from back when they didn't have those silly orange caps on them. You know, back when we all played with guns and the police could tell the difference. Anyway, owning guns is what has made this country free. We are free from dictatorship in this country (or any country) because we are willing to defend liberty. This may sound corny to liberals but freedom is never free. Read your history books.
There is nothing about a toy gun that makes it an inoppropriate toy for kids. It is a part of our American culture. If you don't like them, don't buy them. I do. My kids do. When they are old enough, they will learn to use real ones also, responsibly and safely.
You know, thousands times more people are killed each year by careless drivers than by people with guns. Should we get rid of toy cars too?
There is nothing about a toy gun that makes it an inoppropriate toy for kids. It is a part of our American culture. If you don't like them, don't buy them. I do. My kids do. When they are old enough, they will learn to use real ones also, responsibly and safely.
You know, thousands times more people are killed each year by careless drivers than by people with guns. Should we get rid of toy cars too?
Toy ones and real ones. But thats another topic for another message board somewhere.