News Guest dies, found unresponsive after riding Stardust Racers

[flynnibus]

Again. There are multiple forces in varying directions on a modern coaster with these elements. Many quick changing and if a rider is no longer seated the same way or restrained properly, it would and did greatly change the outcome of a rider...clearly.

Good news - we're talking about just one coaster here... which you can review. So rather than challenge with open ended 'could maybe might' referencing nothing.. please rejoin the specific conversation about this ride experience when you're ready to talk about THIS ride experience.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Good news - we're talking about just one coaster here... which you can review. So rather than challenge with open ended 'could maybe might' referencing nothing.. please rejoin the specific conversation about this ride experience when you're ready to talk about THIS ride experience.

I'm sure Universal is trying to figure out what caused that initial collision. Any time my kids have bumped their heads on a ride, they were fooling around and experienced a FAFO lesson...thankfully, without any serious outcomes. Sometimes people are silly in theme parks. I remember one of my kids bumping his head on Big Thunder. But he was being silly with his brother. That doesn't mean the ride was unsafe. Their behavior was.

 

[flynnibus]

Also, and I'm really not trying to judge. But, if my significant other of 10 years is ragdolling next to me, I would notice and try to steady them for the remainder of the ride. Something just isn't adding up for me.

Well that should be the most tramuatizing element of it.. if you see it and can't do anything to stop it nor stop the ride. You can't reach over and stop their movement because you are sitting in a bit of a dish in the seat. Your shoulders are arms are recessed in the seat.. plus the fact that amount of weight being thrown around even if you could get your hand on them, you'd never be able to stop the movement with your body in that position.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Well that should be the most tramuatizing element of it.. if you see it and can't do anything to stop it nor stop the ride. You can't reach over and stop their movement because you are sitting in a bit of a dish in the seat. Your shoulders are arms are recessed in the seat.. plus the fact that amount of weight being thrown around even if you could get your hand on them, you'd never be able to stop the movement with your body in that position.

I feel like I could reach out and stabilize them to some degree but I also easily overestimate my own abilities!

If this ride ever reopens, I'll reach out toward whomever I'm riding with. I can't think of any ride where I'd be powerless. Maybe Tron?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Unverified rumor! There are cranes at Stardust possibly installing brakes on the ride to slow it down??

 

[Sir_Cliff]

I feel like I could reach out and stabilize them to some degree but I also easily overestimate my own abilities!

If this ride ever reopens, I'll reach out toward whomever I'm riding with. I can't think of any ride where I'd be powerless. Maybe Tron?

I feel like speculating on what the deceased's girlfriend could or could not have done to save him is kind of beside the point.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Crump is going to WIN MASSIVELY - At least 600M - We will probably not know the actual amount as they will settle out of court.

600M for a wrongful death suit? In Florida? Not even close.

 

[DKampy]

I feel like speculating on what the deceased's girlfriend could or could not have done to save him is kind of beside the point.

Not to mention inappropriate….let’s not place some blame on the grieving loved ones

 

[celluloid]

Good news - we're talking about just one coaster here... which you can review. So rather than challenge with open ended 'could maybe might' referencing nothing.. please rejoin the specific conversation about this ride experience when you're ready to talk about THIS ride experience.

You once again add little more than snark to conversation. THIS(These) coaster(s) features many elements with many forces for bodies in its experience and elements creating forces in various directions in both its very nature and variables in how rider is positioned.
The fact that you would even start a post with "good news" with pertaining to this ongoing topic is terrible.


Open ended is the way many things should be right now because few here are experts in anything pertaining to this case or its investigation. There are many unknowns at this time.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Not to mention inappropriate….let’s not place some blame on the grieving loved ones

Literally the entire focus of the investigation is where blame lies. It will likely be multiple parties. And something about the descriptions of events from these individuals does not pass the smell test. I see why their counsel is attempting to create a spectacle.

If anything is inappropriate, it's that jacka** trying to blame TMs for trying to help the man on to the ride. Of course, they did and he's despicable for guilting them over that.

 

[ToTBellHop]

You once again add little more than snark to conversation. THIS(These) coaster(s) features many elements with many forces for bodies in its experience and elements creating forces in various directions in both its very nature and variables in how rider is positioned.
The fact that you would even start a post with "good news" with pertaining to this ongoing topic is terrible.


Open ended is the way many things should be right now because few here are experts in anything pertaining to this case or its investigation. There are many unknowns at this time.

I think the area of confusion stems from the fact that the ride typically pushes you into your seat, up, or to the side. Never forward until the brake run.

 

[celluloid]

I think the area of confusion stems from the fact that the ride typically pushes you into your seat, up, or to the side. Never forward until the brake run.

This is true for most of the obvious forces of the ride. But watch many POVs of this ride, particularly from the backseat sections and you can often catch how people's heads are pushed down/forward at the bottom of the first major dip. If his head were to go a little further than typical and hit the highest point of the decorative dash bar of that train row, it starts to become clear on how this could have happened. It is not any of the launches but when reaches the bottom of the first major drop going back to incline rapidly. The rapid switch, particularly in back rows causes this force and motion on many riders.

You can see it in the girl's rapid posture change as it bottoms out of the tophat drop.




The left train in this shot you can see a rider's head whiplashing forward just before 45 seconds.

This is not to say that is exactly what happened, but it aligns with all the claims "right after the first dip" and shows if nothing else, it is silly to say this ride could not cause someone's body to lurch forward.

Another metal piece many people are not paying attention to is the hazard of the metal hand bar on the lap portion of the restraint itself causing a similar situation.

 

[flynnibus]

You once again add little more than snark to conversation.

Excuse me? You roll in late and are the judge on content? that's cute.

You jumped into a very specific conversation and after multiple pokes you still don't get you're interjecting while ignoring what people are actually talking about. So maybe you should read a bit more before hitting that reply button.

 

[celluloid]

Excuse me? You roll in late and are the judge on content? that's cute.

You jumped into a very specific conversation and after multiple pokes you still don't get you're interjecting while ignoring what people are actually talking about. So maybe you should read a bit more before hitting that reply button.

I post as I see fit to the discussion just like anyone else does. Providing evidence that I am able, just about as anyone else can. Control your own snark before you go on telling people how to post.
I don't think my post are "late" to a discussion board that is ongoing. You continue the snark.
I called out your flaw in physics thought that you should only be pushed to your seat on this ride, with evidence, and you are madder than ever about it for some reason other than to say "oh yeah, forces are of all types on a large coaster ride with varying elements."

The difference is, I brought a follow up and evidence to the discussion, rather than telling others how to post.

 

[My95cobras]

In Florida only a physician can declare someone dead.

Hence, hospital.

Not to mention, I've literally read the park SOPs on the subject.

Paramedics can also pronounce. As well as nurse practitioners.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Literally the entire focus of the investigation is where blame lies. It will likely be multiple parties. And something about the descriptions of events from these individuals does not pass the smell test. I see why their counsel is attempting to create a spectacle.

If anything is inappropriate, it's that jacka** trying to blame TMs for trying to help the man on to the ride. Of course, they did and he's despicable for guilting them over that.

Wherever blame ends up falling, though, it is certainly not going to be on the girlfriend for not stopping her boyfriend from dying on the roller coaster from blunt force trauma.

 

[celluloid]

Paramedics can also pronounce. As well as nurse practitioners.

I believe that varies by jurisdiction and situation. For example, a nurse practioner not typically for emergencies, but end of life care and such is more common.

 

[DKampy]

Literally the entire focus of the investigation is where blame lies. It will likely be multiple parties. And something about the descriptions of events from these individuals does not pass the smell test. I see why their counsel is attempting to create a spectacle.

If anything is inappropriate, it's that jacka** trying to blame TMs for trying to help the man on to the ride. Of course, they did and he's despicable for guilting them over that.

While I don’t think we should blame anyone at this time….as none of us in this thread have all the facts….I certainly do not see where placing any guilt on the girlfriend is appropriate…. I am sure she feels guilty enough….going through all sorts of scenarios of what she could of done differently….it is easy to say what we would of done after the fact…but honestly none of us know how we would of reacted in the moment