Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure

[sedati]

Agreed. There is zero reason they can't (and shouldn't) pick a California based location for the new Marvel land.

New York is silly... at that point they'd be better picking somewhere actually exotic.

Well, if we're telling the story of Walt, we see him suitcase in hand before the Carthay. Though when he came to California it was with the Alice comedies and then Oswald. California didn't treat him too well. Walt made several trips to New York- two of which shaped the company we know forever. The first was to visit Mintz who owned the rights to Oswald whereupon the deal was changed and Walt was ousted. This led to the creation of everyone's favorite scamp- Mortimer Mouse. Renamed Mickey, things didn't really take off until another trip to New York to experiment with adding sound. It was the Broadway Theater in New York where "Steamboat Willie" had its debut (a replica of which could make a nice entrance for that rumored Mickey ride.)

Not saying they'll play this up in the park, but New York did have a major role in the Walt Disney story.

 

[BrianLo]

Well, if we're telling the story of Walt, we see him suitcase in hand before the Carthay. Though when he came to California it was with the Alice comedies and then Oswald. California didn't treat him too well. Walt made several trips to New York- two of which shaped the company we know forever. The first was to visit Mintz who owned the rights to Oswald whereupon the deal was changed and Walt was ousted. This led to the creation of everyone's favorite scamp- Mortimer Mouse. Renamed Mickey, things didn't really take off until another trip to New York to experiment with adding sound. It was the Broadway Theater in New York where "Steamboat Willie" had its debut (a replica of which could make a nice entrance for that rumored Mickey ride.)

Not saying they'll play this up in the park, but New York did have a major role in the Walt Disney story.

To all who come to this place of dreams, welcome. Disney California Adventure celebrates the spirit of optimism and the promise of endless opportunities, ignited by the imagination of daring dreamers such as Walt Disney and those like him who forever changed- and were forever changed by- The Golden State. This unique place embraces the richness and diversity of California... Its land, its people, its stories and, above all, the dreamers it continues to inspire.

The park is not about the story of Walt Disney's Adventure to California, nor the story of the Disney company.

New York City is reaching and it's not even that inspiring of a location. The Avengers can literally go anywhere in the world (and often do). I'd much rather they slap an Avengers tower in San Fran if they insist on going the urban city route. I just really dislike the urban city in a theme park environment. Rarely has it been done well.

 

[mickEblu]

So there is a great thread going on in the Asian parks forum with Tom Thordarson. (Ex Disney imagineer who worked on Journey to the Center of the Earth at TDS among other things) Anyway you know I had to do it. I asked him what his thoughts were on the GOTG overlay. Lol.

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...00-leagues-artwork.426323/page-2#post-7665910

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I'd much rather they slap an Avengers tower in San Fran

Did you just refer to San Francisco as San Fran??

 

[Deleted member 107043]

So there is a great thread going on in the Asian parks forum with Tom Thordarson. (Ex Disney imagineer who worked on Journey to the Center of the Earth at TDS among other things) Anyway you know I had to do it. I asked him what his thoughts were on the GOTG overlay. Lol.

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...00-leagues-artwork.426323/page-2#post-7665910

Interestng. Too bad he wasn't able add anything meaningful to the discussion about MB. I would have really appreciated some genuine context from someone who could give some insight on how things work from within the company today, not 20 years ago.

 

[mickEblu]

Interestng. Too bad he wasn't able add anything meaningful to the discussion about MB. I would have really appreciated some genuine context from someone who could give some insight on how things work from within the company today, not 20 years ago.

I disagree. I thought that he shared what he could about how things work today (Which is pretty obvious when you see some of the decisions being made these days) Particularly in his second post. I'm also fascinated by the stories from the 80s and 90s. (Like that Waking Sleeping Beauty documentary).

Anyway, he worked with some of the last remaining imagineers who worked directly with Walt and that's pretty cool.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I disagree. I thought that he shared what he could about how things work today (Which is pretty obvious when you see some of the decisions being made these days) Particularly in his second post. I'm also fascinated by the stories from the 80s and 90s. (Like that Waking Sleeping Beauty documentary).

Anyway, he worked with some of the last remaining imagineers who worked directly with Walt and that's pretty cool.

I loved Tom's response. Notice he said Walt had the Imagineers do their work OUTSIDE of the studio, they they could really use their imaginations and CREATE. Major difference from today.

 

[mickEblu]

I loved Tom's response. Notice he said Walt had the Imagineers do their work OUTSIDE of the studio, they they could really use their imaginations and CREATE. Major difference from today.

Absolutely. What a huge shift in approach. Not to say modern Disney hasn't done some amazing things at the parks but I just don't like the current trend I'm seeing. Hopefully things like the GOTG overlay are more the exception and not the rule.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I thought that he shared what he could about how things work today (Which is pretty obvious when you see some of the decisions being made these days)

Exactly, and nothing he said regarding the current project was revealing or enlightening to me. I don't disagree with his viewpoint, I was just hoping he had something substantive to add to the conversation about MB. What I read was the same thing that's been repeated ad nauseum about Disney's IP strategy in the parks division.

 

[Kram Sacul]

Interestng. Too bad he wasn't able add anything meaningful to the discussion about MB. I would have really appreciated some genuine context from someone who could give some insight on how things work from within the company today, not 20 years ago.

What sort of meaningful input do you want? The project is a sad embarrassment that looms over the whole park.

 

[mickEblu]

Exactly, and nothing he said regarding the current project was revealing or enlightening to me. I don't disagree with his viewpoint, I was just hoping he had something substantive to add to the conversation about MB. What I read was the same thing that's been repeated ad nauseum about Disney's IP strategy in the parks division.

Well for me it was just nice to hear that some (probably most) imagineers feel the same way I do about the overlay. But I see what your saying. Maybe I don't have any imagination but I don't see what kind of interesting stories or insight their could be in regards to the current strategy. It's pretty straight forward, sad and boring IMO. Unless you mean insight on the future of DCA and what creative direction they are going in? But it honestly doesn't seem like WDI even really knows what they want to do.

 

[BrianLo]

Did you just refer to San Francisco as San Fran??

I apparently refer to way too many things in short form amongst my friends because I thought that was legitimately a thing.

Does no one call it San Fran, did I make that up? I wasn't even writing it that way on purpose, honestly.

I also refer to my province as Berta... and city as Cow Town. So there that is...

 

[Californian Elitist]

I apparently refer to way too many things in short form amongst my friends because I thought that was legitimately a thing.

Does no one call it San Fran, did I make that up? I wasn't even writing it that way on purpose, honestly.

I also refer to my province as Berta... and city as Cow Town. So there that is...

Generally, San Franciscans don't like when others call San Francisco "San Fran," or "Frisco." It's like when people who aren't from California call the state "Cali." A lot of Californians, myself included, find it very annoying.

 

[BrianLo]

Generally, San Franciscans don't like when others call San Francisco "San Fran," or "Frisco." It's like when people who aren't from California call the state "Cali." A lot of Californians, mused included, find it very annoying.

Good to know. We seem to be the opposite up here. The more local you are the more mispronounced or shortened your city name becomes.

Yes, I do (actually most of my generation in Canada) refer to it at least some of the time as Cali.

 

[nevol]

I don't really fault Braverman. The guy did the best he could with an underfunded project while following the directives given by excecutives to produce a new Disney theme park based on contemporary California culture right next to DL, and we all know that it wasn't a coincidence that DCA didn't hit its stride until Disney realized it had to properly fund the place to match the park next door. In short the bargain basement excecution looked good on the balance sheet, but customers didn't buy it, and I don't think you should put all of that on Braverman.

I fear we'll be saying the same about Rohde shortly! Lol. But actually he's the only Imagineer I trust so I hope we never see him become the fall-guy.

Budgets really do matter. Look at Tim Delaney's work on Discoveryland at Disneyland Paris and compare that to Paradise Pier 1.0. I think he took one for the team too when Iger got serious about fixing P+R. But Bruce Vaughn, who championed nothing but a robotic trash can and had no prior knowledge of the parks / had ever even BEEN to a Disney Theme Park before the TV production company he worked for got swallowed by disney and some HR person just sent him over there, became the CEO of Imagineering basically. What. on. earth.

 

[nevol]

Exactly, and nothing he said regarding the current project was revealing or enlightening to me. I don't disagree with his viewpoint, I was just hoping he had something substantive to add to the conversation about MB. What I read was the same thing that's been repeated ad nauseum about Disney's IP strategy in the parks division.

I know people who've worked on the project. One of whom ripped the thing to shreds, if not any specifics, the general cheapness of it, the laziness of the overlay, the laziness of the justification story, how unambitious it all is. The other takes the NDA seriously and won't talk about it until it opens. In other words, you won't find too many people on a project team talking about project specifics before it opens when they'll get fired for doing so.

 

[yookeroo]

Did you just refer to San Francisco as San Fran??

Sheesh. Everyone knows that "Frisco" is the preferred shorthand by Friscons.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Sheesh. Everyone knows that "Frisco" is the preferred shorthand by Friscons.

 

[Curious Constance]

Sheesh. Everyone knows that "Frisco" is the preferred shorthand by Friscons.

I think they prefer Ricearonians

 

[yookeroo]

I think they prefer Ricearonians

I'm so using this from now on.