Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure

[BrianLo]

Of course, they could also just be lazy and incompetent, replacing soarin over CALIFORNIA with around the World (a lateral move that broke from the park's theme integrity and was ALSO/if not moreso beloved by californians) and then TOT with another non-california project.

I've stated this before. Don't expect Soarin around the World to stay forever. It will go as soon as they have a season with nothing worthwhile marketing.

I really don't fault them for introducing it, but like all things it could have been better marketed as a temporary promotion (that would surely overstay its welcome).

I'd be highly surprised if we still have it by summer 2018. If not for GoTG: MB I would have bet it would be gone this Spring/Summer.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Sure, there are philosophical or artistic criticisms, but there are also valid longterm business concerns. It isn't an accident that Disney's "franchise-only" model for Parks & Resorts is occurring at the same time that similar choices are being made more broadly. The choices that are being made reflect changes in how all businesses think about short and long term strategy.

So then my question to you is how does the current IP strategy appear to be different from previous IP implementations over the past couple of decades in your opinion? Be specific. Sure MB is more momentous than a Tinkerbell meet and greet shoved between TL and FL, but given the broader appeal of GoTG the scale and scope is appropriate, no?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I don't think this paints the whole picture. IMO attention to detail and nostalgia is what separates Disney from the rest and i don't see either on display with this project.

You don't think kids today won't feel nostalgic about MB decades from now when they take their kids to ride it?

 

[mickEblu]

You don't think kids today won't feel nostalgic about MB decades from now when they take their kids to ride it?

Not if they overlay it with something else in 10 years. That's problem with the flavor of the month approach.

 

[October82]

So then my question to you is how does the current IP strategy appear to be different from previous IP implementations over the past couple of decades in your opinion? Be specific. Sure MB more momentous than a Tinkerbell meet and greet shoved between TL and FL, but given the broader appeal of GoTG the scale and scope is appropriate, no?

The problem with this question is that it misunderstands the problems that people have raised - no one is objecting to Marvel or GotG in particular, having a place in the parks. People's objections are to the larger business strategy. The latter of which has been well documented in this thread. The former of which is too complicated a topic to summarize shortly. The most relevant change in Disney's business strategy comes down to a change from recognizing the parks as a source of IP that also provides opportunities to extend the scope of an IP into a vehicle for promoting IP from the studios. The reason that this change happened isn't something as simple as the success of Marvel or another property, but comes down to changes in corporate culture, and it impacts everything from artistic and operational decisions to how the parks are marketed. It isn't the scale of investment in IPs that is primarily questioned but the implementation.

but given the broader appeal of GoTG the scale and scope is appropriate, no?

One of the major criticisms of Mission:Breakout is that it doesn't have a scale or scope appropriate to the property in question.

 

[Disney Irish]

Not if they overlay it with something else in 10 years. That's problem with the flavor of the month approach.

This is to make the assumption that GotG is a flavor of the month. Which is unknown at this point. Additionally this statement would also have to make the assumption that MB never gets a refresh and just gets ripped out for something else. That again is unknown at this point.

Since none of us knows the real long term strategy here, we cannot say what is and isn't a flavor of the month and how it applies to the P&R...

 

[mickEblu]

This is to make the assumption that GotG is a flavor of the month. Which is unknown at this point. Additionally this statement would also have to make the assumption that MB never gets a refresh and just gets ripped out for something else. That again is unknown at this point.

Since none of us knows the real long term strategy here, we cannot say what is and isn't a flavor of the month and how it applies to the P&R...

To be honest I don't think Disney knows what their strategy is at this point.

I disagree, I think we can call GOTG the flavor of the month for now especially when compared to a proven concept like TOT that's been around for almost 30 years. Really, even if it wasn't in the parks all these years, an old Hollywood Haunted Hotel has a classic and timeless appeal and oh by way works flawlessly in a park called CALIFORNIA adventure. In 5- 10 years, if GOTG is still as popular as it is now we can remove the flavor of the month label. I think it's completely fair and accurate to label it as a flavor the month considering that it's overlaying an established, fan favorite attraction.

 

[mickEblu]

I've stated this before. Don't expect Soarin around the World to stay forever. It will go as soon as they have a season with nothing worthwhile marketing.

I really don't fault them for introducing it, but like all things it could have been better marketed as a temporary promotion (that would surely overstay its welcome).

I'd be highly surprised if we still have it by summer 2018. If not for GoTG: MB I would have bet it would be gone this Spring/Summer.

Soarin Over California cannot come back soon enough. The GOTG overlay should have been temporary as well until they had Marvel Land up and running. The same way they have temporary SWL over at Disneyland.

 

[Disney Irish]

In 5- 10 years, if GOTG is still as popular as it is now we can remove the flavor of the month label. I think it's completely fair and accurate to label it as a flavor the month considering that it's overlaying an established, fan favorite attraction.

Well since GotG will be part of the MCU for at least the next 5-10 years, its a safe bet right now that it'll be popular during that same time. The Anti-Hero story has been around and has been popular for a long time, especially with likeable characters. GotG are a bunch of likeable anti-heros.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I don't know about y'all, but this conversation has given me a headache.

 

[No Name]

Is a waterfall really going to come down from the top of building where the black part is? I can't find anything elsewhere suggesting or denying it. But it makes sense from the pictures.

 

[October82]

This is to make the assumption that GotG is a flavor of the month. Which is unknown at this point. Additionally this statement would also have to make the assumption that MB never gets a refresh and just gets ripped out for something else. That again is unknown at this point.

It's not that unknown. We know how franchises like the MCU have done historically and what their staying power is.

Since none of us knows the real long term strategy here, we cannot say what is and isn't a flavor of the month and how it applies to the P&R...

Publicly traded companies don't tend to hide their business plans from the public. Companies of Disney's size and profile couldn't if they wanted to. Although we don't know every detail, we know a great deal.

 

[October82]

Is a waterfall really going to come down from the top of building where the black part is? I can't find anything elsewhere suggesting or denying it. But it makes sense from the pictures.

No.

 

[mickEblu]

Well since GotG will be part of the MCU for at least the next 5-10 years, its a safe bet right now that it'll be popular during that same time. The Anti-Hero story has been around and has been popular for a long time, especially with likeable characters. GotG are a bunch of likeable anti-heros.

Then chances are in 5-10 years I'll still be bitter. Lol

 

[mickEblu]

I don't know about y'all, but this conversation has given me a headache.

Yes I agree. It's like why am I doing this to myself on a Sunday afternoon? I think I just gotta stop taking about it. Not that anyone is here to change anyone's mind but what's the point? We all just keep going around in circles and have repeated ourselves over and over. Ok I'm just going to go ahead and declare that I have no more to say about TOT until I ride it.

But then it just takes just that one post or new picture and I'm like "ok, I'm going in."

 

[Disney Irish]

It's not that unknown. We know how franchises like the MCU have done historically and what their staying power is.

I would respectfully disagree. The MCU is something different than those before it.

Additionally Superhero franchises have been around for a very long time, Marvel being one of the granddaddies of them all. In fact Marvel has been around for almost as long as TDC.

Publicly traded companies don't tend to hide their business plans from the public. Companies of Disney's size and profile couldn't if they wanted to. Although we don't know every detail, we know a great deal.

So plans have been shown to state that MB will be replaced in 10 years or less? No there hasn't been. Which was my point in making that comment. At this point there is nothing to indicate that GotG:MB won't be here for 10 years or longer. Especially since GotG is slated to get another standalone movie and be included in Infinity War over the next 5-10 years. So I would sort of expect them to include several refurbs/refreshes along the way to keep things fresh while keeping GotG the theme.

We know the broad strokes and rumors (albeit some pretty good track recorded one), but we don't know full flushed out plans. Until its announced nothing is for sure, everything is fluid. And even then its still not for sure until its built and opened to the public.

 

[Disney Irish]

Then chances are in 5-10 years I'll still be bitter. Lol

That's a long time to be bitter about something none of us has control over in the first place. The only thing we can control in this life is ourselves and our emotions. I would hope after 5-10 years the bitterness will turn to acceptance and finally into fun for the present while fondly remembering what once was...

 

[mickEblu]

That's a long time to be bitter about something none of us has control over in the first place. The only thing we can control in this life is ourselves and our emotions. I would hope after 5-10 years the bitterness will turn to acceptance and finally into fun for the present while fondly remembering what once was...

I was joking.

 

[Disney Irish]

I was joking.

I would hoping, but on this topic some people on some of these fan sites have come across as taking their hatred to the grave...

 

[No Name]

No.

Oh okay. Silly me. I just checked back and realized that the person was joking.

I do think a waterfall would look not only look stunning, but would also really work well with the rest of the building. The whole exterior has a "what the hell is going on here" vibe, and a waterfall coming down from the top would add to that. The logistics might present a hurdle, though getting water to the top shouldn't be an issue with all those pipes.

Damn @NobodyElse , now I want a waterfall!