Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind SPOILER Thread

[Casper Gutman]

Hm, I saw that as the Earth gradually phasing out of existence because of what he was going back to do, and that if we allow the portal to fully close, the effect will be complete, erasing all human existence. The Earth behind him in the opening sequence of the ride doesn't look to have any distinguishable continents, though it's admittedly very difficult to see in these videos.

Point taken on them bumping the cosmic generator, but I think the effect is still the same as what I mentioned. It goes haywire and throws them back farther than Eson intended.

As to your earlier point of the Guardians arriving "too quickly", I feel like this makes total sense? You go through the portal so that they can track you somewhen, not somewhere. They should arrive at roughly the same time as you.

@DisneywithNick Right, after the generator going out of control, you jump to multiple time periods. Note that the Milky Way formation is mentioned immediately after you pass through yet another jump portal.

Ok, I take your point about the GotG showing up immediately - that makes sense. It does exacerbate the issue that apparently CGs are commonplace on Xander, which means time travel is as well, which is hysterically world-breaking for the MCU, but Disney wants to handwave that, which is fine. We know there must be multiple CGs since the Nova Corp shows up, so that’s consistent. It raises the question as to why the GotG didn’t bring one with them after they used it to jump since they say the only way back is to grab Esons, but… whatever.

As for the Earth fading, I don’t think that works. They show the Earth entering the gate with the exact same effect they use to show Eson entering it - it’s pretty clear both enter the gate and go back in time.

This is all putting aside the fact that Eson is a Celestial, who are the most powerful entities in the MCU, yet has to steal a generator from a not-that-advanced civilization, but… OK.

None of this addresses why the ride deals with time travel at all.

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

Or... WDI didn't think this far, had 8 pre-covid storylines, and they all had a mutated demon plot child that we see today.

 

[James Alucobond]

As for the Earth fading, I don’t think that works. They show the Earth entering the gate with the exact same effect they use to show Eson entering it - it’s pretty clear both enter the gate and go back in time.

Possible. I'll have to see it myself in person at some point to get a full impression. It's really hard to make out all the dialogue and story scenes when it's moving this quickly with lighting not fit to be captured well on a phone. However, at a certain point, it's a time travel story, and time travel stories inevitably have weird holes where things happen in a relatively unfeasible sequence.

None of this addresses why the ride deals with time travel at all.

For what it's worth, I agree with you here. As I've said in past posts, I actually wish nothing "went wrong" with the Xandarian exhibition up front. Just bring us up to the ship and board us onto the Starjumpers for a demonstration of hyperjumps exactly as intended. Have unexpected things happen when we go to certain jump points, sure. They could've even still had a celestial appear after a jump that required us to quickly navigate to another jump point to avoid him/her. Ultimately, the time travel conceit is unnecessary; I just don't think it's quite as botched as folks are saying.

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

Don't know if anyone noticed, but famed EPCOT Center voice actress B.J. Ward provides the preshow door safety spiel

 

[Casper Gutman]

Possible. I'll have to see it myself in person at some point to get a full impression. It's really hard to make out all the dialogue and story scenes when it's moving this quickly with lighting not fit to be captured well on a phone. However, at a certain point, it's a time travel story, and time travel stories inevitably have weird holes where things happen in a relatively unfeasible sequence.


For what it's worth, I agree with you here. As I've said in past posts, I actually wish nothing "went wrong" with the Xandarian exhibition up front. Just bring us up to the ship and board us onto the Starjumpers for a demonstration of hyperjumps exactly as intended. Have unexpected things happen when we go to certain jump points, sure. They could've even still had a celestial appear after a jump that required us to quickly navigate to another jump point to avoid him/her. Ultimately, the time travel conceit is unnecessary; I just don't think it's quite as botched as folks are saying.

I completely agree about needing a simpler story. I've suggested my own "Quill tries to recreate memories with his mother and everything goes wrong" fan fiction. Blasting between jump gates and having a different sight gag after each, as you suggest, would be perfect.

I think the time travel plot, along with the concept art of the life-sized Milano, the giant planet showpiece that doesn't really do anything, and some other odd elements are remnants of a ride that was going to feature a lot more elaborate "rewind" effects but got budget cut to shreds - which, considering the final budget, ain't good.

Ironically, what the ride really needed was a Feige.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

 

[Centauri Space Station]

Don't know if anyone noticed, but famed EPCOT Center voice actress B.J. Ward provides the preshow door safety spiel

Really? What other attractions did she voice?

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

Really? What other attractions did she voice?

She has done countless spiels and characters in EPCOT Center, including:

•Safety spiel announcer for the SeaCabs in the Living Seas
•Mesa Verde Announcer, Tommy's Mother, Undersea Classroom teacher and Horizons 1 Boarding Announcer on Horizons
•"AT&T Welcomes you aboard Spaceship Earth" in the Jeremy Irons version.
•Various voices on Spaceship Earth.
•Now the Cosmic Rewind preshow door safety spiel.

@marni1971 may have documented more that I can't remember off the top of my head.

 

[UNCgolf]

For what it's worth, I agree with you here. As I've said in past posts, I actually wish nothing "went wrong" with the Xandarian exhibition up front. Just bring us up to the ship and board us onto the Starjumpers for a demonstration of hyperjumps exactly as intended. Have unexpected things happen when we go to certain jump points, sure. They could've even still had a celestial appear after a jump that required us to quickly navigate to another jump point to avoid him/her. Ultimately, the time travel conceit is unnecessary; I just don't think it's quite as botched as folks are saying.

It feels a little like they'd already committed to doing a Big Bang storyline to try to tie it to the Energy pavilion, and then they just shoehorned it in as best they could during the process.

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

This is the simplest way to put it: come to terms with the fact that EPCOT Center died long ago before you ride this attraction. It hurts to say that, but it will genuinely improve your enjoyment of the experience. The park's death was by no means the fault of Cosmic Rewind. Appreciate the love and care put in to this ride. Appreciate the small EPCOT details, such as them referencing the Universe of Energy script while talking about the creation of energy in the Xandarian topographical queue model. Apprecuate the callbacks to Ellen's. Appreciate the edutainment they attempted to infuse in the queue, through educational information on solar systems and astronomy. Appreciate the depiction of the EPCOT film. Appreciate what we have, and don't ruin positive experiences by clinging on to negativity. As much as it pains me to say it, we've been prolonging the memorial of EPCOT Center. This mind as well be a new park on it's own. But RARELY has WDW received a ride to this caliber from start to finish. It works to please all crowds, and is almost self aware that it's location isn't ideal to many. Truth be told, the Millenium Celebration killed EPCOT Center well before the current overhaul ever got it's hands on the park. We need to enjoy fun things, and hold fond memories in our hearts.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

This is the simplest way to put it: come to terms with the fact that EPCOT Center died long ago before you ride this attraction. It hurts to say that, but it will genuinely improve your enjoyment of the experience. The park's death was by no means the fault of Cosmic Rewind. Appreciate the love and care put in to this ride. Appreciate the small EPCOT details, such as them referencing the Universe of Energy script while talking about the creation of energy in the Xandarian topographical queue model. Apprecuate the callbacks to Ellen's. Appreciate the edutainment they attempted to infuse in the queue, through educational information on solar systems and astronomy. Appreciate the depiction of the EPCOT film. Appreciate what we have, and don't ruin positive experiences by clinging on to negativity. As much as it pains me to say it, we've been prolonging the memorial of EPCOT Center. This mind as well be a new park on it's own. But NEVER has WDW received a ride to this caliber from start to finish. It works to please all crowds, and is almost self aware that it's location isn't ideal to many. Truth be told, the Millenium Celebration killed EPCOT Center well before the current overhaul ever got it's hands on the park. We need to enjoy fun things, and hold fond memories in our hearts.

From the other Cosmic Rewind thread:

I have no idea what makes you think I couldn't possibly enjoy the attraction as built while also thinking about it critically.

I assumed that's what most of us here do.

 

[UNCgolf]

But NEVER has WDW received a ride to this caliber from start to finish.

That's a really bold claim. I think it looks like a good attraction but not among the 15 best rides that have existed at WDW, much less the best. I haven't even seen many people claiming it's better than RotR, and it certainly doesn't look better than the ride right next to it.

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

That's a really bold claim. I think it looks like a good attraction but not among the 15 best rides that have existed at WDW, much less the best. I haven't even seen many people claiming it's better than RotR.

I should clarify, I didn't mean of ALL TIME at WDW, I simply meant from this new age of Imagineering. In an era of Ratatouille and Runaway Railways, this turned out extremely well. Rise suffers from an awful surrounding area and a weak film trilogy to base it on.

 

[UNCgolf]

I should clarify, I didn't mean of ALL TIME at WDW, I simply meant from this new age of Imagineering. In an era of Ratatouille and Runaway Railways, this turned out extremely well. Rise suffers from an awful surrounding area and a weak film trilogy to base it on.

Ahh, that makes more sense. I have not been on Rise, but I do think it looks like a better overall attraction than Cosmic Rewind, even though I agree that it's based on a weak film trilogy and Batuu is disappointing (although not bad -- it's much better than TSL next door, e.g.).

 

[denyuntilcaught]

Coaster with seven launches, fast switch track, two drop tracks, animatronics, themed queue, onboard sound and lights.

Other than that its a roller coaster with trees

Still not selling me on $300M.

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

Ahh, that makes more sense. I have not been on Rise, but I do think it looks like a better overall attraction than Cosmic Rewind, even though I agree that it's based on a weak film trilogy and Batuu is disappointing (although not bad -- it's much better than TSL next door, e.g.).

Exactly. This new era of Imagineering is creative, but really tends to produce hit or miss results. That's not a reflection of their capabilites or talents, rather the parameters they're put under. This seems to defy that and deliver a universally satisfying experience.

 

[celluloid]

Still not selling me on $300M.

Good thing no one has to.

300 million is going to be cheap for major theme park attractions going forward. They have cost as more than the major motion pictures they are based on, inspired by or tied with for a long time.

Everest cost 200 million for bamboo, theming and a giant stucco mountain with some water features that you can see the frame from within its one time backwards and back to forwards. That was in 2005.

Mission Space was also around 100 to 200 million if I recall correctly and that definitely does not show it in the guest experience. Even the media for the ride has been almost completely replaced since the original.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Whatever this was shot on really allowed for the low light. Shows off a lot more stuff then you see with other videos:

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Good thing no one has to.

300 million is going to be cheap for major theme park attractions going forward. They have cost as more than the major motion pictures they are based on, inspired by or tied with for a long time.

Everest cost 200 million for bamboo, theming and a giant stucco mountain with some water features that you can see the frame from within its one time backwards and back to forwards. That was in 2005.

Mission Space was also around 100 to 200 million if I recall correctly and that definitely does not show it in the guest experience. Even the media for the ride has been almost completely replaced since the original.

Expedition: Everest was 100 million.

I struggle to understand how Cosmic Rewind was ~100 million more expensive than Rise of the Resistance.

 

[Mikomike12]

Whatever this was shot on really allowed for the low light. Shows off a lot more stuff then you see with other videos:

That’s actually WDWMagic’s POV just reuploaded to tik tok lol