News Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind attraction confirmed for Epcot

[Tom Morrow]

Right - but its the main reason why all the complaining is nonsense. UoE, as it stands, is not a good attraction for many reasons. Being dated is just one of them. There is no way they can screw up GotG enough to not make it better than what currently exists.

If they had been doing updates, I could see the argument from the other side.

Whether or not UoE is a good attraction is beside the point. Guardians will absolutely be better. But it does not belong in Epcot. They'e been heading in this direction for a while by shoe-horning in hot franchises that just barely fit where they're being placed (Nemo - bcuz fish, Frozen - bcuz it's sort of inspired by Norwegian culture, Avatar - bcuz the movie is an analogy for habitat destruction, Ratatouille - bcuz it takes place in Paris). But with this final blow it shows they no longer even care about giving even the slightest pretense of attempting to make something thematically fit.

 

[Kamikaze]

I think you think I'm against this ride when I'm not.

We lost the battle and the war. All I'm hoping for now is Dreamfinder's return. The rest of the park will never be what it once was.

I wasn't trying to 'argue' with you specifically, just pointing out what I said.

And the goal shouldn't be to make the park what it once was. The goal should be to make it better.

 

[Mike S]

Whether or not UoE is a good attraction is beside the point. Guardians will absolutely be better. But it does not belong in Epcot. They'e been heading in this direction for a while by shoe-horning in hot franchises that just barely fit where they're being placed (Nemo - bcuz fish, Frozen - bcuz it's sort of inspired by Norwegian culture, Avatar - because the movie is an analogy for habitat destruction). But with this final blow it shows they no longer even care about giving even the slightest pretense about attempting to make something thematically fit.

Avatar actually does fit with the message of Animal Kingdom but your overall point is still correct.

 

[Kamikaze]

Whether or not UoE is a good attraction is beside the point. Guardians will absolutely be better. But it does not belong in Epcot.

Again, you don't know what the attraction is about. You cannot make that jump yet.

People (not you specifically so don't take offense) are making the jump that the only tie in is that 'Peter Quill visited Epcot'. That was a joke. We don't know what this will tie into, whether it be Energy, Space, or some other form of tech/science. Or nothing at all.

 

[networkpro]

Whether or not UoE is a good attraction is beside the point. Guardians will absolutely be better. But it does not belong in Epcot. They'e been heading in this direction for a while by shoe-horning in hot franchises that just barely fit where they're being placed (Nemo - bcuz fish, Frozen - bcuz it's sort of inspired by Norwegian culture, Avatar - because the movie is an analogy for habitat destruction). But with this final blow it shows they no longer even care about giving even the slightest pretense of attempting to make something thematically fit.

No it shows they dont care about maintaining any of the Disney parks as Museums to either concepts or individual rides.

 

[Mike S]

I wasn't trying to 'argue' with you specifically, just pointing out what I said.

And the goal shouldn't be to make the park what it once was. The goal should be to make it better.

"Once was" referring to the parks message, not everything being unchanged from 1982.

 

[Maeryk]

Avatar actually does fit with the message of Animal Kingdom but your overall point is still correct.

Ferngully 2, 3d boogaloo.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Avatar actually does fit with the message of Animal Kingdom but your overall point is still correct.

It was a bit of a stretch, but they managed to make it work and I actually really love Pandora. I feel as though without Joe Rhode at the wheel it might not have turned out that way.

Again, you don't know what the attraction is about. You cannot make that jump yet.

Attempting to make the attraction educational will be a slap in the face to both Guardians fans and Epcot fans. I know that we could be surprised but I really don't see how it could work.

 

[Maeryk]

Can someone get me up to speed?

This is a coaster right?
We just don't know what type?
Possible rumors are Flying Dutchman (or similar)?- I'm going to call No Way on that.

Is Vekoma doing it? Any details at all?

Here's my thoughts, without any inside knowledge..
There will be screens.. it won't be too thrilling, but will be a lot of fun.. will be an indoor ride..
the rest- TBD.

Realized we were crapping up the Tron thread with this stuff.. so bringing it here.

This is the ride system I'm talking about. Presumably, the I shaped bars will rotate to the left as it leaves the station, allowing you to lie down facing forward, without having to do the reclining/folding seat routine that current Vekoma and B&M flyers use, respectively.



As to throughput.. I don't see why it would be any worse than any other coaster. Four wide, 10 mounts, that would be 40 riders per train.

Here are the patent drawings I was talking about.

 

[Kamikaze]

"Once was" referring to the parks message, not everything being unchanged from 1982.

Just curious - what do you view as the parks 'message'?

 

[Kamikaze]

Attempting to make the attraction educational will be a slap in the face to both Guardians fans and Epcot fans. I know that we could be surprised but I really don't see how it could work.

The Milano crashed. Quill and the team need to try different sources of energy to get it working again.

Done.

 

[Dapper Dan]

Nothing else thats been replaced really gets 'dated' however. The problem when you're dealing with technology and science is that you're going to have the information become 'old' and need to be updated. Introducing Nemo into The Living Seas - yes, they swapped out the ride, but the ride itself wasn't outdated. Maelstrom wasn't outdated.

Did you miss the left to rot and falling apart part?

 

[Mike S]

Just curious - what do you view as the parks 'message'?

The cultural and technological achievements of mankind of the past, present, and future.

Obviously not anymore though.

The Milano crashed. Quill and the team need to try different sources of energy to get it working again.

Done.

Wow that sounds boring for someone looking solely for a fun time with the Gaurdians. Even Mission Breakout does it better. A complete bait and switch.

 

[Kamikaze]

The cultural and technological achievements of mankind of the past, present, and future.

To all who come to this place of joy, hope and friendship, welcome.

Epcot Center is inspired by Walt Disney's creative genius. Here, human achievements are celebrated through imagination, the wonders of enterprise, and concepts of a future that promises new and exciting benefits for all.

May Epcot Center entertain, inform and inspire. And, above all, may it instill a new sense of belief and pride in man's ability to shape a world that offers hope to people everywhere.
— E. Cardon Walker, October 24, 1982

Wow that sounds boring for someone looking solely for a fun time with the Gaurdians. Even Mission Breakout does it better. A complete bait and switch.

You can tell how boring something is from a one sentence plot outline? If it was on a coaster system with quick stops for show scenes, you'd be hard pressed to find it boring. M:S has a very basic plot (Training for a mission to Mars), but one thing it isn't is boring.

 

[Tom Morrow]

We should probably assume that, even if they attempt to make it educational, it may not even have anything to do with energy.

 

[Maeryk]

We should probably assume that, even if they attempt to make it educational, it may not even have anything to do with energy.

I suspect it's going to be "educational" in the same way trontrack is "educational". Which is to say. ,not very. But we'll see.

 

[gobstoper27]

Out of the park would be great!

...like maybe all the way out, to DHS or universal.

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Good one!!!

 

[21stamps]

Realized we were crapping up the Tron thread with this stuff.. so bringing it here.

This is the ride system I'm talking about. Presumably, the I shaped bars will rotate to the left as it leaves the station, allowing you to lie down facing forward, without having to do the reclining/folding seat routine that current Vekoma and B&M flyers use, respectively.



As to throughput.. I don't see why it would be any worse than any other coaster. Four wide, 10 mounts, that would be 40 riders per train.

Here are the patent drawings I was talking about.

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I remember seeing that patent on this site a while ago. It's a neat idea, just trying to imagine that style of flying coaster at Disney World. You would be looking at a 54 inch height requirement, and a lot of people who wouldn't even ride it if they are tall enough.

Unless Disney decides to go in on a completely new direction, I just don't see such a ride being put in place.

 

[Maeryk]

I remember seeing that patent on this site a while ago. It's a neat idea, I just I'm trying to imagine that style of flying coaster at Disney World. You would be looking at a 54 inch height requirement, and a lot of people who wouldn't even ride it if they are tall enough.

Unless Disney decides to go in on a completely new direction, I just don't see such a thrill ride being put in place.

it doesn't have to be superfast or looping, etc though. That can either be done as a gravity coaster, or a low speed, sorta laze along ride, depending on how they decide to drive it. So, we'll see.

 

[Mike S]

To all who come to this place of joy, hope and friendship, welcome.

Epcot Center is inspired by Walt Disney's creative genius. Here, human achievements are celebrated through imagination, the wonders of enterprise, and concepts of a future that promises new and exciting benefits for all.

May Epcot Center entertain, inform and inspire. And, above all, may it instill a new sense of belief and pride in man's ability to shape a world that offers hope to people everywhere.
— E. Cardon Walker, October 24, 1982.

How does that clash with what I said?

We should probably assume that, even if they attempt to make it educational, it may not even have anything to do with energy.

The extent of original Epcot that will be in this ride will be jokes and references to Peter Quill's childhood trip. That's it. Doesn't mean it won't be a fun ride though.