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Vegas Disney Fan

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Thrilldata shows Raging Spirits averages the same wait as Soarin’, so...
Not surprising, roller coasters tend to be the most popular rides at every theme park and amusement park in the world.

Not sure what the so is for since you seem to be acknowledging that Soaring is as popular as roller coasters, the most popular rides worldwide.
 

No Name

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17 rides TOTAL, for a Disney castle park is hardly something to be bragging about. And Half of them are kiddie rides.
The fact that it has a castle doesn’t matter when it has lower attendance than Epcot. And it doesn’t matter at all when comparing relative popularity within the park. But you’ll defend your original conclusion to the death for the sake of being correct so I’ll be moving on. You freakin DIZNOID! 😀
 

Hawg G

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Not surprising, roller coasters tend to be the most popular rides at every theme park and amusement park in the world.

Not sure what the so is for since you seem to be acknowledging that Soaring is as popular as roller coasters, the most popular rides worldwide.

You have clearly never been on Raging Spirits.
 

Lil Copter Cap

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In case there was any doubt.
 

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BrianLo

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We are basing our knowledge on quite a lot of information, ranging from insider reports to Disney’s own words and actions (their alteration of the EW article, for instance) to past experience to actual photos from inside the ride.

I absolutely hate this attitude with a passion that goes beyond anything theme-park-related. It reeks of the anti-intellectualism that is contorting this country, the idea that informed people can’t piece together evidence to form an opinion. You want to challenge that opinion with contrary evidence? Fine. Do it. But don’t try to dismiss the entire concept of using evidence to form opinions.

I agree with you in broad strokes, but there is a certain level of execution that cannot be always surmised ahead of time. Even with every technical spec under the sun in front of you. The same way a great movie concept and script might actually fall apart in the final product.

Sometimes things come together better than they rightfully should (Flight of Passage). Soaring Over the World by no right should be worse than Soaring Over California, but largely people feel a connective thread was off.

There are attractions like Millennium Falcon Smugglers Run that clearly is missing a good mission. Or Escape from Gringotts that by all rights sounds stellar on paper, but on the ride feels like a series of mismatched puzzle pieces with terrible pacing.

We very much know the broad strokes, but whether it comes together or fizzles we can only guess at.

If I'm misreading your post that you are only arguing there aren't AA's sprinkled throughout the ride, then sorry for that!
 

Casper Gutman

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I agree with you in broad strokes, but there is a certain level of execution that cannot be always surmised ahead of time. Even with every technical spec under the sun in front of you. The same way a great movie concept and script might actually fall apart in the final product.

Sometimes things come together better than they rightfully should (Flight of Passage). Soaring Over the World by no right should be worse than Soaring Over California, but largely people feel a connective thread was off.

There are attractions like Millennium Falcon Smugglers Run that clearly is missing a good mission. Or Escape from Gringotts that by all rights sounds stellar on paper, but on the ride feels like a series of mismatched puzzle pieces with terrible pacing.

We very much know the broad strokes, but whether it comes together or fizzles we can only guess at.

If I'm misreading your post that you are only arguing there aren't AA's sprinkled throughout the ride, then sorry for that!
Nah. You read correctly. And I agree (although I think Gringotts is a better ride then you seem to). Of course the final product - be it a ride or film or some other pop culture product - can sometimes surprise, but that is fairly rare. And as you say, even when a pop-culture product does surprise in its ultimate execution, It does so because the components, known beforehand, come together with a unique alchemy. Right now we have a strong sense of the general shape of the ride and the parameters within which it might succeed or fail, and its possible and very fair to make preliminary judgements based on that. For instance, if you really hate screens and projection effects, its safe to say the ride isn't going to appeal.

If this were a film, we would not only have seen the trailer, but read all the cast and crew interviews and PR materials, read articles and leaks pertaining to the production, seen a large number of both official and unofficial images from filming, and seen the previous works produced by the actors, crew, and studio. That's a LOT more then most people take into account before they form their opinion of an upcoming movie and decide whether its worth their money.
 

BrianLo

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Nah. You read correctly. And I agree (although I think Gringotts is a better ride then you seem to). Of course the final product - be it a ride or film or some other pop culture product - can sometimes surprise, but that is fairly rare. And as you say, even when a pop-culture product does surprise in its ultimate execution, It does so because the components, known beforehand, come together with a unique alchemy. Right now we have a strong sense of the general shape of the ride and the parameters within which it might succeed or fail, and its possible and very fair to make preliminary judgements based on that. For instance, if you really hate screens and projection effects, its safe to say the ride isn't going to appeal.

If this were a film, we would not only have seen the trailer, but read all the cast and crew interviews and PR materials, read articles and leaks pertaining to the production, seen a large number of both official and unofficial images from filming, and seen the previous works produced by the actors, crew, and studio. That's a LOT more then most people take into account before they form their opinion of an upcoming movie and decide whether its worth their money.

I think I’ve just been around long enough now that even when I feel like I know too much, I don’t really know until I’ve ridden it. YouTube aside I guess, which is not typically how I experience rides the first time.

Gringotts is my personal example of something that was up my alley and didn’t come together for me. Unless we have an outdoor coaster, I just don’t think we ever really know so much to accurately judge the final form. At least I never have as I’m usually more (or less) impressed with most rides than I thought I would be.

Someone is certainly entitled to always hate a specific type of ride I guess. Maybe my personal list of what I like is more varied than just Old Epcot attractions. But *I* typically find I’m still surprised with what we’ve heard and what we get.

We have terrible terrible all AA rides. We have some amazing screen sims. Kong is quite good and F&TF atrocious. Despite being the same ride more or less. Yes I knew F&TF was reusing it’s entire Hollywood conceit, so I had infinitely more preview on that bag of garbage than usual.
 

Casper Gutman

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I think I’ve just been around long enough now that even when I feel like I know too much, I don’t really know until I’ve ridden it. YouTube aside I guess, which is not typically how I experience rides the first time.

Gringotts is my personal example of something that was up my alley and didn’t come together for me. Unless we have an outdoor coaster, I just don’t think we ever really know so much to accurately judge the final form. At least I never have as I’m usually more (or less) impressed with most rides than I thought I would be.

Someone is certainly entitled to always hate a specific type of ride I guess. Maybe my personal list of what I like is more varied than just Old Epcot attractions. But *I* typically find I’m still surprised with what we’ve heard and what we get.

We have terrible terrible all AA rides. We have some amazing screen sims. Kong is quite good and F&TF atrocious. Despite being the same ride more or less. Yes I knew F&TF was reusing it’s entire Hollywood conceit, so I had infinitely more preview on that bag of garbage than usual.
Again, I don’t think we really disagree. But I do seem to have conveyed myself poorly - the AA vs screen issue is only a portion of what I and other posters are using to shape their opinion of the future ride. Like you, I believe there are very good screen rides and very good AA rides. But the info we have allows us to discern more about the ride then simply it’s AA/screen balance.
 

Hawg G

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You realize that most people in the line for Raging Spirits have not been on Raging Spirits, right? They see a coaster and they queue up.

You're really not making the point you think you're making . . .

The exact same can be said of Soarin. And no, a looping coaster is not something everyone just queues up for at a Disney park.
 

J4546

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yea for real haha, but also for real im really looking froward to this major one off ride being built as well. Only a few more months to go!
 

yensidtlaw1969

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The exact same can be said of Soarin. And no, a looping coaster is not something everyone just queues up for at a Disney park.
Not true - Soaring Over The Horizon doesn't advertise itself visually the same way a Coaster does. Ask anyone who didn't already know what kind of ride this was and they wouldn't deduce that it's a Flying Theater Attraction:

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However, if you ask that same guest what kind of attraction THIS is, it's clear to anyone who walks by that it's a coaster:

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Worth noting that Raging Spirits' loop is concealed from the guest's view until they're already deep in the queue, so it's not like it can be suggested that most guests are getting in line because this coaster loops.

Also worth mentioning, your attempt to reframe what I said didn't go unnoticed - I didn't say "everyone in the park just queues up for a looping coaster", I said "most people who queue up for Raging Spirits have never ridden it", essentially stating that they're not getting in line because of its reputation. Soaring Over The Horizon, however, does have a great reputation (deservedly or otherwise), and is a big part of the reason people line up for it. People who have not ridden either are lining up for very different reasons.

And finally, not for nothing, Thrill Data's wait time averages show at a Monthly maximum, which is hardly a large enough sample size of data from which to draw large conclusions about attraction's long-term popularity. Especially currently, when these parks may have irregular and very different climates of guest attendance at any given moment due to the pandemic. But even then, when you factor in that Soaring Over The Horizon has a higher hourly capacity than Raging Spirits, managing comparable wait times does suggest that it skews more popular than Raging Spirits (which, I think we can agree, is a not-particularly-special coaster).

So, again, really not making the point you think you are.
 

FeelsSoGoodToBeBad

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@MisterPenguin Oh sweet lord! That mock-up made me motion sick just watching the spinning! Thank you, @UNCgolf for easing my mind!

I mean, can you even IMAGINE the vomit fountain that would get at LEAST the other three people on the car if it spun like that? 🤮 😨😱 And that last emoji made me think of what would happen to the poor person who was screaming while their neighbor in the back was....doing other things. GAG!!
 

Hawg G

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Not true - Soaring Over The Horizon doesn't advertise itself visually the same way a Coaster does. Ask anyone who didn't already know what kind of ride this was and they wouldn't deduce that it's a Flying Theater Attraction:

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However, if you ask that same guest what kind of attraction THIS is, it's clear to anyone who walks by that it's a coaster:

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Worth noting that Raging Spirits' loop is concealed from the guest's view until they're already deep in the queue, so it's not like it can be suggested that most guests are getting in line because this coaster loops.

Also worth mentioning, your attempt to reframe what I said didn't go unnoticed - I didn't say "everyone in the park just queues up for a looping coaster", I said "most people who queue up for Raging Spirits have never ridden it", essentially stating that they're not getting in line because of its reputation. Soaring Over The Horizon, however, does have a great reputation (deservedly or otherwise), and is a big part of the reason people line up for it. People who have not ridden either are lining up for very different reasons.

And finally, not for nothing, Thrill Data's wait time averages show at a Monthly maximum, which is hardly a large enough sample size of data from which to draw large conclusions about attraction's long-term popularity. Especially currently, when these parks may have irregular and very different climates of guest attendance at any given moment due to the pandemic. But even then, when you factor in that Soaring Over The Horizon has a higher hourly capacity than Raging Spirits, managing comparable wait times does suggest that it skews more popular than Raging Spirits (which, I think we can agree, is a not-particularly-special coaster).

So, again, really not making the point you think you are.
At this point, my point is you are some serious Diznoid Soarin' megadefender.
 

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