Well, 2021 could mean by the time 2021 comes around, so maybe only 3 years instead of 3.25?
Anyhoo, Mission:Space took 3.5 years; Test Track took 3.2 years; Expedition Everest was 2.9 years; and, 7DMT was 2.7 years.
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News Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind attraction confirmed for Epcot
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Well, 2021 could mean by the time 2021 comes around, so maybe only 3 years instead of 3.25?
Anyhoo, Mission:Space took 3.5 years; Test Track took 3.2 years; Expedition Everest was 2.9 years; and, 7DMT was 2.7 years.
MaximumEd
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Oh, that? That there is science, my friend.
Amidala
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This view of vintage WDW as this pure beacon of entertainment and education and the current WDW as a soulless cash grab is so strange to me...WDW has always been a mix of both. IPs were not as present in the parks in earlier years because Disney just didn't own as many in the first place...And none of the IPs Disney did own meshed with Epcot's "futuristic" theme, as so many of them were fairytale adaptations. You wouldn't exactly want to see Snow White in Epcot...but Baymax is a different story. I think that's an important distinction to make, and one that always gets glossed over in this discussion.
Anyway, I'm not denying that Iger loves slapping IPs on everything, and this is definitely a hit or miss method. But it's pretty extreme to say that all of these new attractions have no value beyond advertising their IPs. As an E-Ticket, I'm sure GOTG will be an impressive, Disney-caliber ride–a ride with merit that happens to have an IP attached, rather than a junk ride that attracts guests only because of its IP. I don't like GOTG and don't feel it fits Epcot, but that's not the same as saying the attraction has no value whatsoever(?)
danlb_2000
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I don't think anyone is saying there should be no IP based attraction. I think the problem is that instead of telling Imagineering "We need to fill X need in park Y, what is the best ride you can design", management is pretty much saying "this is the IP we want to promote, find some place to put it". If things worked in the early 80's like they do now, we would have never gotten the original Epcot.
lazyboy97o
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Anyway, I'm not denying that Iger loves slapping IPs on everything, and this is definitely a hit or miss method. But it's pretty extreme to say that all of these new attractions have no value beyond advertising their IPs. As an E-Ticket, I'm sure GOTG will be an impressive, Disney-caliber ride–a ride with merit that happens to have an IP attached, rather than a junk ride that attracts guests only because of its IP. I don't like GOTG and don't feel it fits Epcot, but that's not the same as saying the attraction has no value whatsoever(?)[/QUOTE]
What makes it “soulless” isn’t whether or not it is IP but the decision making process.
Volume of IP ownership isn’t discussed because it is not relevant. It wasn’t a factor and is a very new argument to justify the position that themed entertainment must follow cinema.
Iger has publicly stated that park investments are to support franchises. That is also what is meant by making Epcot “more Disney.” It is also what you just argued with your “important distinction” regarding volume of properties owned. So it is hardly extreme to identify the view that theme parks are only worthwhile if they advertise movies.
MaximumEd
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This times 1,000. It's not just down with IP at all costs, it's simply not wanting a quality attraction , location, and theming to take a distant second.
Amidala
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I agree with you, so I think we're just coming at this from different angles. There's a difference between the reasons an attraction will be valuable to Iger, and the reasons an attraction will be valuable to guests. I took your original post to mean that you (and other guests) didn't see any value whatsoever in IP-based lands and attractions. If all you're saying here is that Iger's intended purpose is to support franchises through these attractions then...yeah. That was never in question for me.
rocketraccoon
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Weird, there wasn't any line at all when I rode it yesterday. Went at about 1PM and it felt like any other summer.
Other than a single blown speaker in the pre-show room and the middle vehicle not moving like you said, it seems like everything worked as well as it's going to. No projector problems for the first time in awhile. It was nice.
Mike S
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If this continues I should have no problem getting the last ride of the night on the 13th.
trainplane3
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(I know you said the middle car was down but...) Woah, a line for UoE? I swear I've never seen that in all my years at WDW. And that includes Christmas day too. I'll down on Friday to get a ride and will probably grab another on Sunday. It's been about 2 years since I rode it, and I'm really looking forward to it.
It's sad that the tile mural is probably going to be trashed. It's so neat looking if you can step back and get the the whole thing into view. What a waste. It'd be neat if they auctioned off chunks of it, I'd love a small section where a color transition happens.
Credit to JLH for recreating it, http://www.jlhomnimedia.com/energy-mural/
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But you've got to know the territory!
EricsBiscuit
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You are wrong. STORY comes first in an attraction. Ride system and technology are SUPPLEMTARY to the story. Marty Sklar pointed this out in the Pirates panel at D23 (I was there and distinctly remember it).
lazyboy97o
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Saying and doing are not always the same. Franchise is now first. This is what it means to make Epcot “more Disney.”
sedati
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No one is ever really given free reign. Sure there's blue sky, but restrictions come in all forms. Having just watched Martin's excellent World of Motion video it was shown early on that the imagineers initial concept for the transportation pavilion was tossed aside as the corporate sponsor wanted something more fun.
MaximumEd
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Relax, man. I don't get to hang with Marty at D23. Story is what I equated with the word experience. Sorry I put it equal with ride system, but I'm pretty sure you got what I meant with the overall point.
bclane
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I just finished watching an old Journey Into Imagination ride video and was again blown away by how freaking awesome that original ride was. I wish making Epcot more Disney meant bringing back rides like that. So much detail and mind blowing...wait for it...imagination. I will say though that I think the people that designed that thing must have been on acid. Or maybe shrooms. Definitely one of the two... I will also say that Pandora and what we've seen so far re SW:GE gives me a great deal of hope for what is to come. The Mouse can definitely still bring it when it wants to.
Mike S
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That mural represents the Sun. A bit to the right is a tiny white dot that represents Earth in relation to the Sun.(I know you said the middle car was down but...) Woah, a line for UoE? I swear I've never seen that in all my years at WDW. And that includes Christmas day too. I'll down on Friday to get a ride and will probably grab another on Sunday. It's been about 2 years since I rode it, and I'm really looking forward to it.
It's sad that the tile mural is probably going to be trashed. It's so neat looking if you can step back and get the the whole thing into view. What a waste. It'd be neat if they auctioned off chunks of it, I'd love a small section where a color transition happens.
Credit to JLH for recreating it, http://www.jlhomnimedia.com/energy-mural/
It's, humbling, to say the least.
Edit: just realized that info is in the link
