Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

[Pumbas Nakasak]

WDW862 won't stop dropping truth bombs.

A comedy double act, Dumb & Dumber. School must be out and someones got their first book of internet posting cliches.

 

[csmat99]

They will not be allowed to do anything with GotG because of the contract with universal for walt disney world can not put marvel rides in their parks but disney land can

You are wrong GotG is not part of the Universal deal. Only things Disney can't use is what is already in IOA or connected to them in some way. So no FF, Xmen, Spiderman, Avengers, and few more odds and ends.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I wish I cared as much as some obviously do, but that sentiment has long passed.

What will be will be and it will probably be shallow e

 

[Figment2005]

I've got to dig out the original specs when I re do my 1982 edit.

Sounds good.

 

[Wikkler]

You forgot GotG is already in the GMR.

This is happening.

Is Disney trying to make the parks redundant with each other? I'd rather pay 110 or whatever it is to go to MK than 440.

 

[FERRARA12]

Untrue. EPCOT's core concepts were chosen because Disney sold sponsorships to big industry such as AT&T, Exxon, United Technologies, Kraft, Kodak, Sperry Rand, GM and others. Most of those big sponsors are now gone and they're not coming back.

Disney parks have always been about selling the brand. Selling the public on the idea that General Electric is a kind and compassionate company rather than the company that makes the triggers for nuclear weapons was the hallmark of Disney sponsor public relations. But as I said, those days are pretty much gone.

Now Disney is selling its own brand rather than selling the virtues of hydraulic fracturing for Exxon.

I went to see the Energy show in November 82. I was 16. I couldn't believe the level of corporate bs the show spewed. I've long felt that the nostalgia for "Epcot Center" is a bit overdone. What Epcot Center had was cohesion of theme and execution. Unfortunately there were some significant flaws, specifically it was a bit humorless, repetitive, and corporate.

 

[FigmentForver96]

I went to see the Energy show in November 82. I was 16. I couldn't believe the level of corporate bs the show spewed. I've long felt that the nostalgia for "Epcot Center" is a bit overdone. What Epcot Center had was cohesion of theme and execution. Unfortunately there were some significant flaws, specifically it was a bit humorless, repetitive, and corporate.

Humorless? I imagine you didn't ride Imagination, World of Motion or even Horizons which had a twist of humor to it. The Land featured a show with singing vegetables and many of the Communicore exhibits were as humerous as they were fun.

 

[ShoalFox]

RIP traveling theater, the most interesting ride system ever created...

It's a shame I never got to experience the original version of UoE, or any original FW attractions for that matter

 

[csmat99]

Can we please put Iger in blue police box and have him go to other end of the universe? What he has done to destroy WDW in his tenure is unforgivable. Eisner no matter what you think of him at least you knew he loved the parks. Iger just cares about how he looks and how stock market responds. Like Spirit has mentioned if you didn't go to the parks from the 90's and before you just don't get it. In the last 16 years I just have seen things I loved taken away or redone for no good reason other than greed. All this stuff that is rumored to happen is because they know they must add things for the 50th but what good is it if they continue to make short sighted decisions that will look horrible in few years.

 

[Brer Panther]

They're REALLY going to ditch Figment again? Again?!?

Apparently they've forgotten about what happened the LAST time they tried that...

 

[montyz81]

Can we please put Iger in blue police box and have him go to other end of the universe? What he has done to destroy WDW in his tenure is unforgivable. Eisner no matter what you think of him at least you knew he loved the parks. Iger just cares about how he looks and how stock market responds. Like Spirit has mentioned if you didn't go to the parks from the 90's and before you just don't get it. In the last 16 years I just have seen things I loved taken away or redone for no good reason other than greed. All this stuff that is rumored to happen is because they know they must add things for the 50th but what good is it if they continue to make short sighted decisions that will look horrible in few years.

Did Eisner love the parks? We have him to thank for the demise of the coherent FW theme (Gutting of Imagination, gutting of WoM, demo of Horizons in favor of a vomit comet, neglect of WoL, Pixarizing The Seas and putting a hang glider in The Land). He is also responsible for not finishing off World Showcase in favor of building a half done movie park and a zoo with just a few E ticket rides. He must not have loved it enough. Oh he is also responsible for CA 1.0 which seemed to have failed miserably which forced them to spend over $1 billion to get it rite. He is responsible for Euro-Disneyland too.

 

[IanDLBZF]

Did Eisner love the parks? We have him to thank for the demise of the coherent FW theme (Gutting of Imagination, gutting of WoM, demo of Horizons in favor of a vomit comet, neglect of WoL, Pixarizing The Seas and putting a hang glider in The Land). He is also responsible for not finishing off World Showcase in favor of building a have done movie park and a zoo with just a few E ticket rides. He must not have loved it enough. Oh he is also responsible for CA 1.0 which seemed to have failed miserably which forced them to spend over $1 billion to get it rite. He is responsible for Euro-Disneyland too.

And we can also blame him for killing off Beastly Kingdom as well!

 

[Mike S]

Incoming wall of text. Sorry guys, I got behind. Real behind.

Wonders plot would be phase two.

UoE could receive a ride and a show.

Ok. Now I realize my mistake. I read it as all of Energy being the second attraction. I forgot there's two in there alone. My bad

When you use "futuristic" in your description of GotG, you're kind of stacking the deck. The movie takes place in the present. A present that is populated by aliens and superheros. It's definitely not set in the real world or the future. Epcot was always the real world park and Future World was the part of that park that dealt with human achievement and the future. GotG has nothing to do with any of that. I wouldn't even call it futuristic despite the presence of spaceships and laser beams. The soundtrack alone betrays that the movie's appeal is largely nostalgic. That's fine. I enjoy a fun space adventure as much as anyone else. But it doesn't belong in Epcot.

Fits perfectly in Ipcot though...

I think the first step in seeing any positivity in all of this is to accept that EPCOT Center is dead and buried under Epcot. If you can do that, once you hear more about the GotG additions, you will at least be able to respect that it should be a good addition to the current park. Anyone who continues to harp on the fact that they are killing EPCOT Center will be unhappy with the direction the park is taking. But, it's been following this path for probably 10-15 years. This will not be the straw that broke the camel's back. The camel died in the early 2000s.

It's a matter of perspective--embrace the new park identity and possibly find enjoyment in new offerings or insist that the lack of EPCOT Center ensures that the park will be a hell-hole, and find yourself chronically depressed at its state. I'm not suggesting one perspective is better than the other--do what works for you. Although my background would suggest that the latter is more harmful to your cardiovascular health long-term.

EPCOT Center has been dead since about the mid-to-late 90's. What they're killing now is Epcot which survived up to about 2007. Now we're transitioning ever more to Ipcot. Since nothing will change that can we have Tokyo's upcoming B&tB ride in France? Might as well ask for quality additions if they're going down the sellout route full steam ahead. Maybe we can finally get Mary Poppins in the UK as well. Ooh, and Tangled in Germany!!!

I think I'm gonna be sick

Being a new poster on these boards is like going through Navy Seal's boot camp, they will make it really hard on you, and a lot of people will wash out, but those who survive will be stronger for it. Not saying it's right or wrong, just the way it is.

I must have skipped that part when I joined

I have only been going to WDW for about 10 years now so to honest I'm firmly in the embrace the new park identity group. The only version of EPCOT I have ever known looks like it does now. What everyone is describing sounds great but I can't mourn the loss of something I never experienced. By Martin's account the new version will be somewhere between old and current EPCOT and I'm good with that. This park needs help so bring it on as far as I'm concerned.

Being born in 1993 I didn't catch some of the old greatness either. My suggestion to you would be to search for "Martin's Videos" and Disney. You'll know the site when you find it.

I tend to agree that "future" can be a loosing battle, so that is why I think the focus should shift more to "reality" then "future". Show cool things about our history, about other parts of the world, about science, but without getting to far into predicting the future.

Like this?

You do know the anti-semitism was just an urban legend, right? He treated the Sherman Brothers, who were jewish, like his own sons.

As a Jew that loves Disney I absolutely hate when this false info is tossed around.

Step 1 towards a Marvel themed, Stark Expo styled Future World, perhaps? Just a little renegotiation to set the stage and...

http://nytimes.com/2015/08/16/busin...lans-for-star-wars-attractions.html?referrer=

The Disney-owned Marvel movie brand was conspicuously absent from plans to rehabilitate Hollywood Studios. Although Disney bought Marvel in 2009 for $4 billion, the Florida theme park rights to Marvel characters like Spider-Man, the Hulk and Captain America continue to be held by Universal under a long-term contract.

Asked in an interview in July if Universal would ever sell those rights, Thomas L. Williams, Universal’s theme park chairman, answered with one word: “No.”

You also said Disney would buy back the rights from Uni within 6 months of the Marvel acquisition. How's that working out for you?

Don't answer him. He's a delusional little prick that just won't go away. Phil too.

Great question, I too wonder how far this will go. I shudder to think about spaceship earth, it is screaming SW overlay and deathstar...and that would be terrible.

I wonder about land........you have lion king and could add jungle book things in if you wanted....but with soarin already there...who knows?

Nothing is safe.

Snippets but nothing I say for definite. Aside from Imag is way down the list. If it were to bump up then IO is favourite.

Everything I've seen says the building (Energy) will stay.

Nothing really surprises me any more with this park. See above ^

Hopefully when they make the GOTG announcement for Epcot something else will be announced to help create a more cohesive theme at the front of the park. If you're going to finally put the nail in the Epcot's coffin than you better replace it with something that at least has a cohesive theme and great attractions even if it doesn't make sense with the what Epcot center was. D23 next summer will be intriguing to say the least

And I'll be there to experience it all first hand.

Can confirm that Celebration Place finds this thread hillarious.

Hilarious how? Hilarious like we're clowns? We amuse them?

I'll hang my head in shame.

"Put him in the cone of shame."

 

[WDW862]

Incoming wall of text. Sorry guys, I got behind. Real behind.
EPCOT Center has been dead since about the mid-to-late 90's. What they're killing now is Epcot which survived up to about 2007. Now we're transitioning ever more to Ipcot. Since nothing will change that can we have Tokyo's upcoming B&tB ride in France? Might as well ask for quality additions if they're going down the sellout route full steam ahead. Maybe we can finally get Mary Poppins in the UK as well. Ooh, and Tangled in Germany!!!

Your being very emotional over a family theme park, and I say this as a hard core fan who's been going all my life.

Epcot is not going to crash and burn, if anything, their making it great again. It wont be as great as EPCOT Center of course, but this new Epcot will be pretty awesome, if the IP's are done right. Judging by Frozen, I think Gotg will be great.

 

[BrianLo]

Considering before 2021 we already know about Toy Story, Avatar and Star Wars that's very substantial.

Oh! I now realize I was misreading the statement. I thought @MansionButler84 was specifically talking about the year 2021 as opposed to the 2017-2021 period. Was trying to figure out what the significant project was for 2021 specifically.

Sometimes I'm a little too eager on reading between the lines.

Am I allowed to say that I am officially now very happy with their upcoming level of investment? Even if there are nitpicks here and there, I think WDW might actually be leaving the dark days behind.

 

[Filby61]

...I have been watching this board for a long time and love reading the posts but some of the stuff that gets posted comes across as quite nasty and in all honesty not in the Disney Spirit...

By way of observation, and with no disrespect intended, I would suggest that the portion of your post I highlighted may be a source of conflict in your interactions here.

What the "Disney Spirit" unfortunately has become under its recent and current management regimes -- versus what it once meant, what it once stood for, and what we wish it could mean once again -- is at the core of all these discussions.

 

[csmat99]

Did Eisner love the parks? We have him to thank for the demise of the coherent FW theme (Gutting of Imagination, gutting of WoM, demo of Horizons in favor of a vomit comet, neglect of WoL, Pixarizing The Seas and putting a hang glider in The Land). He is also responsible for not finishing off World Showcase in favor of building a half done movie park and a zoo with just a few E ticket rides. He must not have loved it enough. Oh he is also responsible for CA 1.0 which seemed to have failed miserably which forced them to spend over $1 billion to get it rite. He is responsible for Euro-Disneyland too.

My point about Eisner was he cared about the parks and actually opened new parks and rides. I wasn't saying everything he did was great far from it. Like you mentioned DCA 1.0 was a mess, but Animal Kingdom even though lacking in E ticket rides was and is a beautiful park thanks to Joe. Facts are Iger hasn't done anything for the parks in Orlando but to take away or let crumble. It's not even up for debate.

 

[IanDLBZF]

Wow... I read what the person said as saying you aren't shy with your opinions before quite correctly pointing out that what the person in question posted was just their own opinion and not necessarily the opinion of others. If you read his post and considered it rude enough to tell him to mind his manners then re-read your own as its much ruder "realise who you're talking to" ???? he's talking to another person on the internet and voicing his opinion like anybody... there is nothing it the world that makes the other person more entitled to an opinion than him. You for instance will probably not like what I have said here and I will probably get a lot of hate for it however whilst I realise you have inside information at times... that doesn't make you more entitled to an opinion than me or anybody else.

I have been watching this board for a long time and love reading the posts but some of the stuff that gets posted comes across as quite nasty and in all honesty not in the Disney Spirit... everybody has different opinions on the state of the company and are entitled to them. Can people not just voice them in a polite manner instead of arguing and trying to come across as superior to other?

I agree 100% with you!

 

[csmat99]

And we can also blame him for killing off Beastly Kingdom as well!

Once again the point of the post was about how bad Iger has been for WDW and the point he really couldn't care less about WDW. This is not about debating Eisner legacy. That has already been done again and again.

 

[mikeymouse]

whatever happened to ENTERTAIN, INFORM, AND INSPIRE? maybe entertain, but sheesh. where is the cultural part of EPCOT going? out the rear end apparently.