Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

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DisneyJayL

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In the true real world, trivial. Of course. Unarguable.

In the theme park worled, wherein this discussion is occurring:
A shift of Epcot from ideas, philosophy, possible futures, history, and knowledge of other cultures and ways of life to popular entertainment based product is hardly trivial.

If you believe this all to be trivial, then you clearly are the target audience for the trend. For your "I don't care what IP they use" is a "gimme a ride any ride" instant gratification mindless existence that feeds $$ to the coffers of many corporations.

And I feel sorry for you.
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I think you miss my point in all this. But it's all good. We can agree to disagree. I'm not looking for instant gratification imps all of this. I am looking for something long lasting. Marvel is a part of Disney now so to me at least, it is about time they do something with that success. Florida can't really do much with the IP right now and I believe this will help. I don't believe it's the big shift you all are saying. But it is what it is I guess.
 
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DisneyJayL said:
I think you miss my point in all this. But it's all good. We can agree to disagree. I'm not looking for instant gratification imps all of this. I am looking for something long lasting. Marvel is a part of Disney now so to me at least, it is about time they do something with that success. Florida can't really do much with the IP right now and I believe this will help. I don't believe it's the big shift you all are saying. But it is what it is I guess.
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Might be hard to describe, or for you to see: but the tone of this is much different to the tone of the one I reacted to.
And I appreciate your continued explanation. I was a bit harsh, and I apologize.
 
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Seabasealpha1 said:
So, in the long run...are we looking at a potentially cohesive vibe for Epcot? Any hope there at all?
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I figure they're working for cohesive. The point of deflection seems to be the elements and theme that will make up that new cohesion, or if a new overall vision is actually needed at all.
 
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2351metalcloud

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I think some people here really exaggerate the 'intellectual depth' of the stuff at Epcot and elsewhere at Disney. It's mostly just your regular Disney style sweet, optimistic view of topics like technology, the future, and world history. Stuff there doesn't seem to go much more in 'depth' than a fifth grade or middle school textbook. It's not like people are listening to the philosophy of Marcus Aurelius, Immanuel Kant, Paul Feyerabend, or something like that.
 
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2351metalcloud said:
I think some people here really exaggerate the 'intellectual depth' of the stuff at Epcot and elsewhere at Disney. It's mostly just your regular Disney style sweet, optimistic view of topics like technology, the future, and world history. Stuff there doesn't seem to go much more in 'depth' than a fifth grade or middle school textbook. It's not like people are listening to the philosophy of Marcus Aurelius, Immanuel Kant, Paul Feyerabend, or something like that.
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What you say is true. The idea was not that you were auditing college level classes on vacation. Rather, it was an inspiration to get you thinking about topics that you might become interested in and research further upon your return to the real world. There were many times when I came home from EPCOT Center and went to the library in order to learn more about things that I had seen.
 
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2351metalcloud said:
I think some people here really exaggerate the 'intellectual depth' of the stuff at Epcot and elsewhere at Disney. It's mostly just your regular Disney style sweet, optimistic view of topics like technology, the future, and world history. Stuff there doesn't seem to go much more in 'depth' than a fifth grade or middle school textbook. It's not like people are listening to the philosophy of Marcus Aurelius, Immanuel Kant, Paul Feyerabend, or something like that.
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Your choice of philosophers is interesting. :)

What you see there today is not what you saw there before, and the ideas, visions expressed before were quite new and exciting for the age. There was an attempt to stimulate that deeper conversation, imagination.

Part of the complaint is that what is there NOW is not similarly new and exciting, forward looking for the current age. It is, as you've said, very superficial, trite, dumbed down, and sometimes dishonest "sharks don't eat fish!"
 
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2351metalcloud said:
I think some people here really exaggerate the 'intellectual depth' of the stuff at Epcot and elsewhere at Disney. It's mostly just your regular Disney style sweet, optimistic view of topics like technology, the future, and world history. Stuff there doesn't seem to go much more in 'depth' than a fifth grade or middle school textbook. It's not like people are listening to the philosophy of Marcus Aurelius, Immanuel Kant, Paul Feyerabend, or something like that.
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When EPCOT Center opened it was intellectual and it didn't have to be indepth. When the park opened it was a different style of Disney. It actually was much different then the brand, magic, puke Disney we have today.
 
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2351metalcloud said:
I think some people here really exaggerate the 'intellectual depth' of the stuff at Epcot and elsewhere at Disney. It's mostly just your regular Disney style sweet, optimistic view of topics like technology, the future, and world history. Stuff there doesn't seem to go much more in 'depth' than a fifth grade or middle school textbook. It's not like people are listening to the philosophy of Marcus Aurelius, Immanuel Kant, Paul Feyerabend, or something like that.
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I might have missed a post or 2 but I think @Disneyhead'71 was talking about the "intellectual depth" of the current execs calling the shots not the park itself. Nobody is claiming EPCOT Center was a hard core PH.D. class. It was a theme park which was first and foremost fun. It was absolutely about showing an optimistic view of the history and potential future of things like energy, transportation, communications, etc... The original EPCOT Center had more depth than a fifth grade middle school text book. You might be right that what's left is pretty dumbed down. Check out some of videos of the original pavilions. It was deeper than you may have realized even though the rides were kept at a level that could mostly be understood by kids. Remember that the pavilions were sponsored by corporations who were eager to show off their stuff in the post ride exhibit space. There were a lot more details if you were willing to spend the time exploring.
 
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DisneyJayL

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Variable said:
Might be hard to describe, or for you to see: but the tone of this is much different to the tone of the one I reacted to.
And I appreciate your continued explanation. I was a bit harsh, and I apologize.
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You were harsh? It's all good discussion. No offense taken. I do care about EPCOT, and I do want continue involvement with inventions and innovation. I don't want a ride to just pop up. I just believe that what they had going on has run its course, that's all.
 
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I morned the death of the original Epcot ages ago. This will be at least 10 times better than Ellen's energy adventure. I for one am looking forward to this and the new Epcot, at least it will be better than the current mangled version.
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Sadly, I'm with you. I think I've finally reached the acceptance phase. I hope the new stuff is well done and fun.
 
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