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WDW Monorail

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Incorrect. There is indeed a no fly zone over the parks of Disney World. Do a quick Google search and you will find many, many articles relating to it. Of course, the first one that comes up is when a religious group wanted the no fly zone down during Gay Days in Orlando so they could preach through the skies to gays.


The only time that an FAA No Fly-Zone was established over any Disney park was on 9/11/01 and the days following. In fact, the entire United States was a No-Fly as I am sure that you know.

There is a flight level restriction of 3,000ft. IFR and VFR aircraft must be cleared by Air Traffic Control in order to enter the specific zones below 3,000ft. This is not a No-Fly Zone.
 

fossilizedtrees

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Here is what I've seen in the sky over WDW...

Jesus loves UGOD = :)
You+God=:)
God = love

IMHO I do NOT believe that anyone who is offended by this "need help". Who are you to judge? Isn't that a little "unchristianly" of you to say?As a lifetime agnostic I have been in MANY "rubbed in face" situations. My family (grandparents [one of which is a minister], 12 aunts and uncles, 28 1st cousins and 15 second) are ALL Jehovah's Witnesses so yes I have had my share of full fledged religion and I can honestly say I am probably the most bible educated agnostic/athiest there is. I didn't "drift away", I don't need to be "saved", and no I don't hate religion because I was forced into it. I just simple believe that superman is more real to me than "god" ever could be.

My problem with sky writing is that it's braking a big christian rule about lying. How do they know god loves me? I infact know that he doesn't, especially with my lifestyle that is "ungodly".

If anything these writings are pushing people further away. When I look at it its just one thing added to the pile that drives me crazy(We Athiests/Agnostics don't shove our beliefs in your face even if it's in a kind and loving way. So why is it right for you?). Im sure others will agree. Infact my family dislikes the sky writings, AND THEY ARE CHRISTIANS! Why? Because that is NOT the way to preech. Preeching is to educate others, not tell them how god feels about them and their actions. If god loves you you'll feel it in your heart. You don't need no stranger telling you that.

:king:~Leash

Well I have to say your wrong dear. Because God LOVES YOU. He loves everyone, it's sin he hates. He does love homosexuals, he does love adulteres, he does love liars, he evn loves murders, it's their actions (sin) he hates.

And that is what most people don't get, and wont get till they face Him. God does not send people to hell (and FYI even though Hell has been said to be a place of pain and suffering, although it is those things, hell is actually rightfully described as eternaly seperationg from God), we send ourselves by our own desicion to reject him.

And let me say I'm not judging you, because I have no right to judge, that right belongs to God. Becuase the truth is Im as much of a sinner as anyone else in this world.

I hope your not mad at me or become defensive, I just wanted to tell you he does love you. Even if you don't believe it he does.
 

duck_daddy

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Not judging - just say'n...
And you are right to a certain extent. :lookaroun
(And in NO WAY am I trying to get into a religious discussion on a Disney board.)

But the money I spend on my vacation (whether it's going to Disney or someplace else) isn't trying to get people to "see religion".
I would guess who ever this person is already does a great deal more than we might ever know - as with any person that spends money on a trip to Disney.
And this is totally my opinion here - it just seems that the money spent on smoke writting could be spent on better ways of "advertising" is all. At least a billboard ad is semi perminant for a few months. Smoke writting - while it is seen by a few tens of thousands of people on any given day - it's gone in just a few minutes. I know I know - if they reach just one person, it's all worth while...blah blah blah.

But in no way was I judging that person(s) for doing the "ad". I just think it could be spent in better ways to actually reach out and make a difference in peoples lives - while sending the same message.
I respect this post, much better than the bash. About the advertising, how many billboards do you see on a daily basis? I see tons and pay attention to only a small amount of them. The sky is a common place to look, this guy is getting his message across in a very effective way. From the reports in this post it can be seen all the way at Universal too, that's alot of people viewing his writings. No religious discussions needed. My post was not intended to strike up a religious argument, just meant to make people see what they were saying.
im not judging anyone. i just get tired of people trying to save me by constantly preaching to me one way or another. the reason i go to disney every year is to have fun, thats it. but yes if i wanted to help people or whatever i could donate what it costs me to have fun i guess, but i do that enough with my taxes. a persons religion is a very personal matter and i dont really care what anyone does within their beliefs, i just want them to keep me out of it
I respect your privacy, and to be honest feel the same way about sexual orientation, keep it in the bedroom. Disney is a vacation and even though I am Christian wouldn't wan to be preached to by a stranger on my vacation.
I haven't been on a vacation in about nine years. When I go out to Disney, it's for the day. Hardly the cost of a skywriter to pointlessly and needlessly waste money on advertising every single day, day after day.

Let's not make assumptions either!
-m
You are still spending the money, and not giving to a a better cause. Which is what you boldly agreed to in your first post. I don't care how long you go or how often, you're just the same as that guy. It doesn't matter if you have $100 or $100,000 to either spend or donate, if you spend it you have just entered the world of hipocracy. I'm not judging you for spending it, I don't donate as it ends up linings the pockets of some CEO, just saying you spend your money how you want, let this guy do the same!
 

maggiegrace1

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I haven't seen things contrary to my faith written in smoke in the sky. However, what about the various similar things that I have to see, either on a daily basis, or on a fairly frequent basis, or anytime I make a road trip to WDW, which are contrary to my faith?

The billboards advertising Cafe Risque as I drive down I-75 through Georgia, just to name one example.

I could also think of other billboards along interstates, or maybe just along the roads as I drive through town, advertising cigarettes, endorsing political candidates that I don't like, or expressing other opinions which I disagree with.

These things may not be written in smoke by an airplane, but they are much more permanent. While the smoke dissapears within minutes, these billboards are there until someone takes them down and are therefore, seen by more people over the long haul.

So how do I feel when I see these things? I'll tell you one thing...it sure doesn't ruin my day. It's all part of living in this old world; you're gonna have to have things "thrown in your face" so to speak...if you want to consider the simple presentation of an opinion or idea as being "shoved in your face"...which I don't. There are billions of people in this world, each with opinions and worldviews, and we are all entitled to express ours.

Nude women dancing around like whores in front of perverted, deprived men at a bar goes against my beliefs, but I don't get my panties in a wad everytime I go to Florida and see advertisements for that place along the interstate. Sure, I think it's sad that humanity is so depraved and that places like this exist and that they are advertising it like there's nothing to be ashamed of. And some may argue that my lack of righteous anger towards those kind of places is indicative of my being de-sensitized to things like that.

But regardless, it's like this folks: we all live in this world and have to come into contact on a daily basis with those who think differently than us and have a different opinion than us. If the simple words "God loves you" or "Jesus" is enough to get you riled, then there's something wrong with you. Maybe you've grown up in a bubble and haven't had a chance to venture out into the world and discover that there are others who have a differing opinion than you, such that the mere sight of someone else's worldview throws you into a tizzy. But all it is is someone expressing their opinion in writing. It's hardly infringing on your rights at all.

So, as I have already said, if someone decided to sky write something about Allah, I don't think I'd be offended at all. The rest of my day would progress the same as planned and I would still be at WDW having a good time. I really don't think I'd be spending the rest of my day stewing about how I had to see something in the sky that goes against my beliefs. With thousands of people walking around the parks, chances are that there is already plenty down on the ground for me to see that goes against my beliefs, whether it's language I overhear that I find vulgar, or someone's T-shirt, etc.

:eek::eek::eek:

WOW..I agree with you!
CRAZY!...:lol:

That can also go for anything in the world that we do not agree with or approve of..what others choose to do is fine with me..unless it is harming anyone in any way..who are we to judge..:shrug:

One thing though..I hope you really do not wear panties...
:lookaroun
:p
 

duck_daddy

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While I don't care who writes what in the sky...
As I'm not religious - I don't particurlarly like it when it's thrown in my face or, sky for that matter, and have to look at it.

I have a few friends that are very religious (Christians) and would go nuts if they saw "Allah" in the sky. But that's them...not me! :animwink:

I mean, you could also look at it this way - how would you feel if you were Jewish and Jesus was plastered all over the sky? Or Christian, and Hebrew was written all over the sky...

I'm just say'n....:p

Of course - I really haven't heard of anyone being converted to one religion or another by sky writting with smoke - who knows?? :shrug:
That's just it, this country is founded on Christianity, don't like, it get out!
 

fossilizedtrees

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Let me quickly say Im sorry. I didn't mean to or want to turn this into a theological discussion or anything, I just really felt I needed to say that.

And I realize that a PM probably would have been more appropriate. Im sorry If I offended anyone, that is not my intentions.

So there ya go, back to the OP.
 

k.hunter30

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My problem with sky writing is that it's braking a big christian rule about lying. How do they know god loves me? I infact know that he doesn't, especially with my lifestyle that is "ungodly".
I will just say, respectfully, you are wrong. They are not lying. They know, because He said it and proved it.
 

MissM

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You are still spending the money, and not giving to a a better cause.
Convenient that you failed to quote the part where I said I paid NOTHING. Otherwise known as ZERO DOLLARS to go. Or the part that I said it was the only reason I got to go. :rolleyes:
 

duck_daddy

New Member
Here is what I've seen in the sky over WDW...

Jesus loves UGOD = :)
You+God=:)
God = love

IMHO I do NOT believe that anyone who is offended by this "need help". Who are you to judge? Isn't that a little "unchristianly" of you to say?As a lifetime agnostic I have been in MANY "rubbed in face" situations. My family (grandparents [one of which is a minister], 12 aunts and uncles, 28 1st cousins and 15 second) are ALL Jehovah's Witnesses so yes I have had my share of full fledged religion and I can honestly say I am probably the most bible educated agnostic/athiest there is. I didn't "drift away", I don't need to be "saved", and no I don't hate religion because I was forced into it. I just simple believe that superman is more real to me than "god" ever could be.

My problem with sky writing is that it's braking a big christian rule about lying. How do they know god loves me? I infact know that he doesn't, especially with my lifestyle that is "ungodly".

If anything these writings are pushing people further away. When I look at it its just one thing added to the pile that drives me crazy(We Athiests/Agnostics don't shove our beliefs in your face even if it's in a kind and loving way. So why is it right for you?). Im sure others will agree. Infact my family dislikes the sky writings, AND THEY ARE CHRISTIANS! Why? Because that is NOT the way to preech. Preeching is to educate others, not tell them how god feels about them and their actions. If god loves you you'll feel it in your heart. You don't need no stranger telling you that.

:king:~Leash
God's love is unconditional(wasn't going to turn this into a religious thing, but here we go), you are forgiven no matter what! I'm sure with preacher grand-dads you've heard that one a few times. About throwing you Agnostic beliefs in my face, refresh me as to what these beliefs are. Are you a pond scum gal? Christianity is all about faith. Do I know God is there? In my heart, yes.
Is there proof, no. I am not so blinded as a Christian that I can't see where others might have a hard time following God. I have asked myself the same questions you have, i just answered yes instead of no. An elaborate story written by someone to make everybody behave. Kinda like Santa. I, as a Christian, have to be believe there is something else. Let me explain my "have". This is not forced upon me by my religion, simply something I choose to believe, and if I want to get where I am going after I'm dead and gone, I have to believe. I do not respect atheist/agnostic religions, and in turn do not respect the same from them. This is my Christian fault, something I am currently working to get over.
 
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