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Go Britney!

Chester&Hester Enthusiast

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I have obtained the Boxscore figures for 25 dates of Britney’s second leg of the Dream Within a Dream Tour. The figures show that Britney’s Tour has been one of the best performing tours of Summer 2002. Her tour in terms of revenue (in particular), attendance and capacity has significantly outperformed other youth oriented acts this summer. The only tours having the same level of success in terms of revenue and large venue capacity are the Baby-Boomer such as The Eagles and Cher which have the built in advantage of attarcting people with lots of money.

For the 25 dates (with BoxScore data) of the DWaD Tour we have seen 13 sellouts (first LA show, Sacremento, Phoenix, Lubbock, Houston, St. Louis, Detroit, Hamilton, Buffalo, Philadelphia, Boston, Atlantic City and East Rutherford) and 95% capacity of the venues played. The weakest attendance has been for the Vancouver show, the Portland show and the San Diego show. By comparison NSYNC’s Celebrity Tour (which outperformed last year’s BSB arena tour) saw no sellouts and 86% capacity for its first 21 dates.

In most cases the only seats not sold were either singles or limited view rear stage seats.

Here are the Boxscore reports for the first 25 shows:

Show Revenue Attendance Capacity % of Capacity

First Las Vegas* $713,848.50 9,325 9,862 95%
Second Las Vegas* $713,848.50 9,325 9,862 95%
Vancouver $727,371 12,764 16,133 79%
Tacoma $1,127,266 21,404 21,612 99%
Portland $806,876 14,548 17,079 85%
Oakland $832,852 14,221 14,634 97%
San Jose $843,912 14,889 16,492 90%
First LA $971,415 16,196 16,196 SELLOUT
San Diego $655,400 9,889 12,360 80%
Second LA $887,752 14,696 16,196 91%
Sacremento $847,174 15,350 15,350 SELLOUT
Phoenix $803,930 13,799 13,799 SELLOUT
Lubbock $741,972** 14,256 14,256 SELLOUT
San Antonio $806,616 15,769 17,111 92%
Houston $775,828 14,160 14,160 SELLOUT
Indianapolis $764,094 12,834 15,444 83%
St. Louis $822,184 13,111 13,111 SELLOUT
Detroit $858,249 14,644 14,644 SELLOUT
Hamilton $817,800 16,241 16,241 SELLOUT
Buffalo $752,756 13,862 13,862 SELLOUT
Philiadelphia $911,934 14,692 14,692 SELLOUT
Boston $907,274 15,396 15,396 SELLOUT
Worcester $571,639 9,458 10,492 90%
Atlantic City $588,492 11,382 11,382 SELLOUT
East Rutherford $870,288 16,470 16,470 SELLOUT


* The Las Vegas figures were just split in two as they did not give the exact figures for each show.

** The gate for the Lubbock show will be refunded since the show was not completed.

After 25 dates (for which we have Boxscore data) of the second leg of The Dream Within a Dream Tour have played to 95% capacity. How does this compare to other tours and is 95% a sign of the imminent disappearance from the cultural landscape?

I always like to look at the facts so I am relying on the information provided by Billboard and compiled by AB Boxscore. I looked in my yearend 2001 Billboard in the Touring section. They list the top 25 tours of 2001 based on a December to December calendar. The first leg of The Dream Within a Dream Tour was not in the Top 25 (based on total grosses) since it was barely half over by the end of the measurement period (it was in the top 20 when looking at the calendar year.

Here is the capacity utilization of the Top 25 tours of 2001:

1. U2 – 100%
2. NSYNC – 81% (a stadium tour)
3. BSB – 85%
4. Madonna – 100%
5. Dave Matthews Band – 92% (a stadium tour)
6. Billy Joel & Elton John – 99%
7. Eric Clapton – 95%
8. Aerosmith – 89%
9. Janet Jackson – 85%
10. AC/DC – 97%
11. matchbox twenty – 84%
12. Neil Diamond – 99%
13. Sade – 77%
14. Jimmy Buffet – 97%
15. Rod Stewart – 60%
16. Ozzfest 2001 – 88% (festival format)
17. Tim McGraw – 94%
18. James Taylor – 72%
19. Barenaked Ladies – 68%
20. Tool – 83%
21. Brooks & Dunn – 73%
22. Bon Jovi – 94%
23. Destiny’s Child – 70%
24. Depeche Mode – 70%
25. Godsmack – 64%

Notes:

Britney’s ticket prices, while not nearly in the Madonna stratosphere and lower than NSYNC/BSB, are in the upper end of the range. In 2001 she sold more albums worldwide than any of the other Top 25 touring acts. Britney’s current tour is playing to fuller houses than 76% of the Top 25 touring acts. Most of these successful touring acts receive very little radio airplay.
(Courtesy of WorldofBritney.com)
 

Chester&Hester Enthusiast

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Funny how Britney's concert filled up more then Ozzy... and most of the other acts on the list. Guess she has a larger base of supporting fans then those that you consider "real artists". Although I fail to see how Britney isn't a real artists. I mean, she writes her music, plays insruments, does most of her own choreagraphy, manages most of her own wardrobe, wrote and produced her last two tours. My God, what else do you want the poor girl to do?

-Jake

Ps-
I of course was a contributer to the Indianapolis concert. :D
 

Erika

Moderator
Jake, sometimes I think you ARE Britney!

Just kidding, just kidding!

Honestly, you don't have to defend your musical tastes to us or anyone else. You like who you want to like.

But if someone doesn't like pop, or her brand of it, a bunch of #s isn't going to change his or her mind! ;) Remember that many people feel that popularity and artistic merit do not necessarily go hand in hand.

It's sweet that you want to defend your girl, but seriously, if she is doing that well, I don't think she needs it! :)
 

DisJosh

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by DisneyExpert
Funny how Britney's concert filled up more then Ozzy... and most of the other acts on the list. Guess she has a larger base of supporting fans then those that you consider "real artists". Although I fail to see how Britney isn't a real artists. I mean, she writes her music, plays insruments, does most of her own choreagraphy, manages most of her own wardrobe, wrote and produced her last two tours. My God, what else do you want the poor girl to do?

-Jake

Ps-
I of course was a contributer to the Indianapolis concert. :D

First off OzzFest is a festival which brings in more fans at 88% than a sold out Britney show at a stadium or amphitheater.

And the majority of fans of bands that play at shows like OzzFest aren't spoiled little psycho, half whit 12 year olds who get everything they want. We pay for our own tickets...

Britney an artist? I'd like to see her take on Zack Wylde... :rolleyes:
 

Chester&Hester Enthusiast

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Ok, first off: She plays guitar, piano, and is working on the bass.
Secondly, the majority of the epople at the concert weren't 12. IN fact I saw very few kids under the age of 14. All the way down my section row everyone was older then me. I was sitting next to a 17 year old girl. and on the other side of my dad was three girls with ages ranging from 15-18. And yes, I payed my own way. Erika: What? Me... Britney? No! I don't know what you're talking about! LIES! *Goes to soak head* :rolleyes:

-Jake
 

NowInc

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by DisneyExpert
Ok, first off: She plays guitar, piano, and is working on the bass.
-Jake

uh...if she plays guitar it REALLY wont be hard to play bass....i guess its difficult for her...i mean...i dont even think she can walk and chew gum at the same time without getting confused..

...hehe..sorry.....hadda toss my hat into the ring just this once...i hate obsessive people...
 

CmdrTostada

Member
I always ask my sister why she listens to Britney Spears. She says I like her music. Then I say, "Why do you goto her concerts if she lip syncs" she says "Because its hard to dance and sing"
Then dont friggin' dance!!! or is she afraid people will find out that she cant sing:confused:
 

Chester&Hester Enthusiast

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Originally posted by Turbogames
I always ask my sister why she listens to Britney Spears. She says I like her music. Then I say, "Why do you goto her concerts if she lip syncs" she says "Because its hard to dance and sing"
Then dont friggin' dance!!! or is she afraid people will find out that she cant sing:confused:

Honestly, she lip-synched very little of the concert. Only when the dancing was REALLY extreme. The rest she was singing. Well, as far as I know, she's learned the bass. I just said working on because I didn't know if she had or not. And she has a really good voice. If she didn't, I fail to see how she couldv'e been on broadway, the new MMC, and won twice on StarSearch all before the age of 15. Just know, that none of your critisism (Dan!, lol) is gonna change my tastes... so go ahead and try. (*Cough* See bottom of sig *Cough*) I just don't appriciate you beating someone else up because you don't like their style of music. That's pretty low.

-Jake
 

NowInc

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Oh..im not gunna try and change your tastes.....im not like that...its just that obsessive people scare me..and also scare the ARTIST....9 times out of 10 they turn into stalkers (denial is the first sign)

You know I will always think of her as a talentless little tramp with no credability left..no matter what you are brainwashed to believe. I just got sick of hearing you defend her..sorry ;)
 

Herbie53

Premium Member
Originally posted by DisneyExpert


Honestly, she lip-synched very little of the concert. Only when the dancing was REALLY extreme. The rest she was singing. Well, as far as I know, she's learned the bass. I just said working on because I didn't know if she had or not. And she has a really good voice. If she didn't, I fail to see how she couldv'e been on broadway, the new MMC, and won twice on StarSearch all before the age of 15. Just know, that none of your critisism (Dan!, lol) is gonna change my tastes... so go ahead and try. (*Cough* See bottom of sig *Cough*) I just don't appriciate you beating someone else up because you don't like their style of music. That's pretty low. Oh, yes... one more thing on the lip-synching thing. I'm asusming the only performances you've seen are on TV, correct? Well, keep in mind that when it appears she's lip-synching, she may not be. Many times... to make it look better, the network dubs the album track over her singing. Many times they do this because it makes the song sound that much better if it's not "Raw" so to speak. So, whenever you assume she's lip-synching, keep that in mind.

-Jake

As long as you like her for your own reasons, and not just to blend in with the crowd, then there's no reason for anybody to try to change your mind. But on the other hand, others of us have our own reasons for not liking her, and you're not likely to change our minds either. :) :hurl:

Don't lose too much sleep over her bad press. As a public figure, our criticism is the price she pays for your support. I guess this falls into the category, lets agree to disagree. :)
 

Chester&Hester Enthusiast

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Remember that as for me, I'm a realistic fan, I'm not blinded by things and I don't live in denial, I love Britney and I'm a huge fan, but I've always said that it's healthy to disagree sometimes and well, voice your opinion because in the end, it might happen that other fans will agree. Sometimes people go like "you hit it right in the spot, I could not have said it better, thanks for having the guts to stand up and talk about that, cause I wouldn't have been able to do it". You know, I don't think anybody close to Britney or that at least has the power to change things even has time to visit this post, but public awareness is important, because for soon over a year (maybe more?), fans haven been complaining about the lip-synching, and it's escalates each time. Britney has lately been called more of an "entertainer" than a "singer", well, I don't know if I'm missing anything, but something is definitely going on if Britney continues with the lipsynching, and you know what? even if let's say, she doesn't lipsynch most of the times cause according to some the show is dubbed for national broadcast, well, at least that's the image that is being portrayed, because we know so well that we've seen other artists on Leno and Letterman for example that do sing live and amazingly enough, the network decides to not dub their voices. So well, I don't know.

Anyway, a certain group of fans believe that Britney fandom should be all about praising and showing the perfect world and the perfect image, but hey, it's not always like that, at least not reality, and like I said, I'm proud to not be blinded by that, after I got back to being a Britney fan, I learned to accept the way Britney had become because we're all human, so whatever is going on, it doesn't really affect me, cause I take it for granted sometimes, but it does affect others inside, and well, the purpose of this is to let those people know that you're not the only ones feeling that way.

Yet, if you see it from another point of view, Britney's a beautiful artist that has inspired so many people out there, and you know what, I think that's what in the end will stand out above all things, because she said it herself that her dream was to inspire others through her music and she has accomplished that so well. But ok, the 3rd album has now almost been worn out, and fans are starting to look at what will come in the 4th and when - how will it be, and how will Britney re-invent herself this time? Will she still let other people write her songs? Or will this 4th album be about the last 4 years of her life and her experiences in this crazy world of show business where most people just don't understand what goes behind the scenes in an artist's world and how hard some of them have it with both personal problems and family problems?.

Then apart from that, they expect you to look your best, dance your best, sing your best and be at your best all the time, it kills you psychologically sometimes. Nevertheless, the world tends to assume, if you lipsynch - you can't sing, if you smoke - you're a bad role model, well, sometimes it's good to give people a break, and as her fans mature and grow with her as an artist, you understand things that you did not understand before, or that you before thought were out of line, but now aren't, and especially, if you yourself become an artist one day or gain a certain level of fame, you'll know exactly how the other person felt when you criticized them on something, yeah, you didn't have a clue, maybe too arrogant to understand?, but you know what, I think this is how Britney feels sometimes, too overwhelmed and where everything around her is just so much bigger than what she can handle. If I'm comparing and contrasting her and myself, she's only 4 years older than me, but hey, the stuff she has seen, done and experienced are things that I probably won't do in a whole life time (and trust me, I've been through a lot) so perhaps you should take my advice and do what I did? So she lipsynchs....will you learn to accept her for that and respect the way she is anyway? If the answer is yes, then accept and respect it, if not, then it's a free world and you can choose whether to continue hating her or listening to her or not, but my point is.....if you'll learn to stick with the good things about her and not the bad things, then good things will come in the future. :)

-Jake
 

Chester&Hester Enthusiast

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Ok, let's put this into perspective. If I became a famous singer in the genre of pop (Which I'm actualy working on. I'm writing some songs to make a demo ;)) would you hate me? Would you trash me if I lip-synched? Or would you continue to be my friends and support what I do? Your choice, choose wisely.

-Jake
 

Herbie53

Premium Member
Originally posted by DisneyExpert
Ok, let's put this into perspective. If I became a famous singer in the genre of pop (Which I'm actualy working on. I'm writing some songs to make a demo ;)) would you hate me? Would you trash me if I lip-synched? Or would you continue to be my friends and support what I do? Your choice, choose wisely.

-Jake

Disliking the pop genre, and specific artists in that genre, is not a personal issue. I'm sure Britney is a very nice person, but I disapprove of her public persona. She is a public figure, and she's open to that sort of criticism. If you become famous you will be open to that criticism too. Not everyone will like your public appearance, that doesn't mean that everyone who once knew you will turn on you.
 

WDW-Imagineer

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by DisneyExpert


Honestly, she lip-synched very little of the concert. Only when the dancing was REALLY extreme.
-Jake

My brother, who is a recording engineer, has a few contacts with the people who do the sound at Britney's concerts and he said they don't even turn her microphone on... just for her to talk to the crowd.

Also, if she's such a good singer, why does 90% of each song have background singing in it. I'm sure its not just for effect.
 

WeirdOne

New Member
Originally posted by DisneyExpert
Ok, let's put this into perspective. If I became a famous singer in the genre of pop (Which I'm actualy working on. I'm writing some songs to make a demo ;)) would you hate me? Would you trash me if I lip-synched? Or would you continue to be my friends and support what I do? Your choice, choose wisely.

-Jake

I personally don't like Britney, but I am not going to argue that she's a bad singer or sucks or whatever. People have their tastes. I may like Broadway but Jake might hate Broadway (Don't know if this is true). I don't argue with him about it, we have to learn to accept that we are each different. About you making music. If I like it, I'll listen. If I don't I won't. But, your music shouldn't get in the way of your friendship with someone. - The WeirdOne :D
 

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