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Slowjack

Well-Known Member
If they are such well known films why did you have to be "bothered" to see it?

Just because its old doesnt make it great, and who gets to decided what makes a classic?

Tarzan is so popular they have to explain its not George of the Jungle.

Oh and as someone who used to work as a cinema projectionist does that make me a movie expert? Or just another punter with an opinion and a keyboard.
Oh, for Pete's sake, I don't think even you believe what you just typed. You know I didn't mean to imply by "bothered" that watching old films was a chore for me, now, did you? Of course not. Give me a break, will ya?

I didn't say that all old films are great, did I? But Casablanca, Wizard of Oz, etc., are not obscure old films that no one has seen. They are among the best known and well-loved films of all time, as I am sure you know.

That's not to say that everyone is the world loves them. But you were implying that no one that isn't an old geezer would even recognize these films, and I say that anyone who calls himself a film fan would have. I'm actually not a big fan of Wizard of Oz myself...I mean, I don't feel the need to watch it again. But it would be silly of me, or you, to say that the Wizard of Oz isn't a classic film, whatever our personal opinions are. And it's equally silly to say that the Great Movie Ride shouldn't include classic films.
 

Slowjack

Well-Known Member
Truer words have never been spoken.

As for the GMR this is an attraction that could do with at least on or two scenes completely replaced ever few years to keep up with the times. Let Wizard of Oz be a permanent fixture, but as far as I am concerned the rest of the attraction is fare game
I've got nothing with replacing scenes in GMR...after all, any ride could use new twists, like what they've done with the Haunted Mansion. But why on earth should it "keep up with the times"? Do you mean we should replace scenes with recent movies? How does that make sense for a ride that's a tribute to classic Hollywood? That's like saying that Main Street U.S.A. should be updated to look like a more modern downtown.
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
Oh, for Pete's sake, I don't think even you believe what you just typed. You know I didn't mean to imply by "bothered" that watching old films was a chore for me, now, did you? Of course not. Give me a break, will ya?

I didn't say that all old films are great, did I? But Casablanca, Wizard of Oz, etc., are not obscure old films that no one has seen. They are among the best known and well-loved films of all time, as I am sure you know.

That's not to say that everyone is the world loves them. But you were implying that no one that isn't an old geezer would even recognize these films, and I say that anyone who calls himself a film fan would have. I'm actually not a big fan of Wizard of Oz myself...I mean, I don't feel the need to watch it again. But it would be silly of me, or you, to say that the Wizard of Oz isn't a classic film, whatever our personal opinions are. And it's equally silly to say that the Great Movie Ride shouldn't include classic films.

Wait a minute your the punter who claimed that MGM was a park aimed at fans of Hollywood, Id argue that it was supposed to be a working studio (just that no one wants to film there) and the 30s Hollywood is a pastiche.

As for the great movie ride you argue that its full of classic films, Id say that if you are not a movie buff and under 30 you wouldnt identify with 75% of the scenes.

A small clique decides what is deemed a classic regardless of what joe public thinks, and based on criteria that changes to suite their taste. IMHO the park is about entertainment and MGM as a whole but the Great Movie Ride in particular is failing to deliver.

Oh and I cant stand the genius that is Woody Allen, just an opinion.:D
 

Skippy_

Member
Just because its old doesnt make it great, and who gets to decided what makes a classic?

Age doesn't make a movie great but alot of the time it does give it more historical significance. I will say that there are probably more classics made back then than today due to the sheer amount of movies that were produced yearly due to the studio system compared to the amount made in modern times.

As to who has the privilege in deciding what movies are classics, its mostly opinionated. There actually is a guide you can follow in determining what movie has the right to be deemed classic but I don't know where I found it. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen enough movies and read enough books, that I can qualify as a film historian and should be able to determine what movies are classics (ego alert).

As for the horrible suggestion in replacing James Cagney with Al Pacino, NO. James Cagney was one of the greatest actors to ever grace the silver screen and could play a gangster better than any actor in any day of age. While Marlon Brando, Al Pacino, and Edward G. Robinson (originally planned to go in GMR) are great actors and played great gangsters, you would agree with the Imagineer's decision to put Cagney in after watching White Heat or The Public Enemy!

As for the crack about Woody Allen, I couldn't agree more. I've seen numerous Woody Allen movies, multiple times, and end up getting a head ache trying to laugh at something or finding significance in the movie. His movies are as worthless as Napoleon Dynamite, including his acclaimed Annie Hall that mistakenly beat out Star Wars at the Academy Awards, and I atleast smiled at Napoleon Dynamite.

All the movies on GMR are classics. I can assure you many people haven't seen the movies but have atleast heard of them in some way. Many people never have seen King Kong yet know the story, never seen Singin' in the Rain yet recognize the song and Kelly on the street light, never seen Tarzan yet recognize his yodel, never seen Alien yet recognize the Alien, and so on...

Many of the movies are past being classic and now are iconic. Basically being parodied in movies and TV shows quiet recognizably.

I love GMR and can tell you it's the most significant attraction in the park!

Skippy
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
I love GMR and can tell you it's the most significant attraction in the park!

Skippy

Yes thats why the crowds flock there at opening:animwink:

And Napoleon Dinamite is a classic :)

And why is the movie in the Q section not long enough to ensure you dont have to watch John Wayne 3 or 4 times as you wait.
 

hathawaybrowne

New Member
Tarzan is so popular they have to explain its not George of the Jungle.

A common misconception.

When the rehab of 2003 happened, a sound effect was to be added into the show scenes of the opening drumbeats to the GOTJ theme song - at which point the Tour Guide was supposed to say "No, Not George of the Jungle!" and a record scratch would play. WDI couldn't get the effect to work properly, so it was scrapped - however the script didn't change.

So that line isn't there because people don't recognize Tarzan. In fact, the reply we get most when doing that line is "TARZAN!" and we still have to say "No, it's not George of the Jungle." That line is the bane of many Tour Guides existences. In fact, Tarzan has appeared in nearly 50 different film adaptations since 1918, including Disney's 37th animated feature (not like that's from the script or anything).

I say give it a Haunted Mansion treatment - spruce it up, change a tiny bit, but keep the spirit of the attraction intact and upgrade technology more than anything. I think it is indeed a significant attraction to the park and its history, being the Genesis for the entire park to be built.

And as for the clips you see in the pre-show area, those are the films you journey into. The only reason there are 8 instead of 11 is that Tarzan had no trailer, Wizard of Oz has rights issues, and The Public Enemy was deemed too violent for that area, of what is supposed to be a calm and peaceful tour into the movies (the TG doesn't really know there's going to be a shootout and doesn't expect there to be violence and misadventure).
 

SilentWindODoom

Well-Known Member
I absolutely love the Great Movie Ride, and it's probably my favorite ride at MGM. Of course, I'm not a big thrill ride guy, so I kind of shirk Tower of Terror and Rock n' Roller Coaster.

That being said, there are definitely scenes that cannot be changed, because they are classics. Just because the movies aren't all recognizable, doesn't mean they should be removed. It would betray the integrity of the ride. It is supposed to celebrate the great classics of cinema history, and taking out these things to add punch to the ride would be akin to putting characters in the Jungle Cruise.

Looking at a list of films in the ride (which when you look at it listed is much shorther than I expected) I can see very few films that you could sacrifice: Alien and Fantasia being the most prominent candidates. The Fantasia scene should really be just torn out and replaced with something else. The only reason I can see for the way it is now is so people can tell others the factoid about the space originally being planned for the Tornado. Now, all these years later, it should be changed.

While Alien is not necessarily a classic in the sense of these other films, it is a very popular film and series, and the experience is one of the high points in the ride. This could be replaced by a Sci-Fi section akin to the Gangster and Western sections, which would include movies such as Star Wars, Alien, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, A Trip to the Moon, 2001:A Space Oddesy, Metropolis, and perhaps the Star Trek movie. Actually, upon further thought, having the whole set replaced with a similar 2001: A Space Oddesy scene would be nice, but it would probably be better to do all them.

The large Fantasia section could be replaced with something better, and could perhaps become home to more than one film.

As for additions to the ride, I think one of the first priorities would be to include a movie that should be here. I think it is unbelievable that the movie that is lauded by many to be one of the greatest, and was the greatest movie of all time on AFI's list: Citizen Kane. It doesn't have to be much. Perhaps it's dark, and you hear his last word "Rosebud", which our CM explainins can mean only one thing. He then presents Citizen Kane to us, and we see the iconic scene in which Kane gives his grand speech in front of a large poster of himself. That's all we need, and you can even drop the Rosebud part if you want to make it even smaller.

The Godfather films deserve a place in a classic movie ride, but it could be debated that the films are not in place at Disney. Goodfellas is also a classic. I may be having a little brain failure here, but Gone With the Wind isn't featured, is it? I would absolutely love to see the "Paradise" scene from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. You've got Mutiny on the Bounty that you can add. The scene in front of the flag in Patton would be a great dramatic scene. West Side Story is a great movie. We can't forget Rocky. Maybe Easy Rider.

Now, I don't know if they can use movies featured in Universal, but Jaws is a welcome addition. Terminator would also be a great addition to the Sci-Fi section.

What about a comedy section? M*A*S*H is a classic, but falls under the same problem that I mentioned with the Godfather. Movies, actors, or characters for a comedy section could include Dr. Strangelove, Charlie Chaplin, Abbot and Costello, Laurel and Hardy, The Marx Brothers, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the Three Stooges, the original Pink Panthers, Tootsie, Airplane!, Annie Hall (yes, I remember the Woody Allen comment from earlier), and Animal House.

There's also horror. I mean, the little section with the temple definitely has horror elements, and we could see the Mummy in this scene (the classic mummy, not the one from the recent movie of the same name). With a little reworking of the scenery, we could also see Dracula, Frankenstein, the Wolfman, and the Phantom here. If a new section were built, we could also get a peak at Rear Window, Psycho (maybe too much for Disney), Polstergeist (same), and Jekyl and Hyde (imagine a scene where an AA Jekyl addresses the audience, takes his concoction, and then falls to the ground, a CM dressed as the monstrous Hyde popping up and taking over the tram from the host CM, making up a third scene to complement the Western and Gangster sequences). The major problem is that recent horror films, and the characters therein, have been highly graphic, sexual, and gorey, and appearance of their characters may be frowned upon. If these movies are written off, there is no Michael, Freddy, Jason, Screamface, of Leatherface, as well as anyone else I might be forgetting. The scenery could be a dark town with dense forest surrounding it (scenery would include the Amityville Horror house).

If you want to change the jungle scene, you could also make this a multiple movie area. The Predator could be watching us from above. A few characters from Apocalypse Now could be not too far off (along with the phrase "I love the smell of napalm in the morning" being uttered when you walk by). Alec Guiness and a few Japanese could be looking over plans as we see the titular bridge over the River Kwai being constructed in the background.

A military scene akin to the other mixture scenes could include M*A*S*H, Patton, Apocalypse Now, John Wayne again (although I'm not sure if you want him featured twice), and Full Metal Jacket (DEFINITELY not making it in Disney, but one can dream of a censored Hartman AA telling me I will not like him).

Wow. I really go way too far when I start thinking about things. Anyway, that's a small sampling of what could be added to the Great Movie Ride. Of course, I would be insane to suggest all these things. Only two or three can be implemented, probably, but there's plenty to choose from.
 

PintoColvig

Active Member
Did somebody mention Napoleon Dynamite? Sweet!! Funniest film since that great classic Dumb and Dumber. Both movies should be given a scene in GMR.
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
One thing that is concerning me is all the talk of replacing the alien scene. PLEASE don't replace it. I love it. If they're going to replace a scene, replace the pointless Tarzan one. Atleast don't change the Tarzan scene to resemble the Disney version, the Disney one is great, but not enough to be placed with the classics on the GMR IMO.
 

Skippy_

Member
and The Public Enemy was deemed too violent for that area, of what is supposed to be a calm and peaceful tour into the movies (the TG doesn't really know there's going to be a shootout and doesn't expect there to be violence and misadventure).
Has anyone ever seen The Public Enemy's trailer? No, then go to TCM.com and look it up in their media room (they have thousands of movie trailers there). You'll find it doesn't show you much of the movie at all but only a bunch of cartoonish guns shooting words on the screen! Lets just say it's less violent than Alien's trailer.

SilentWindODoom, some of those movies may have to find their way into the end montage but I'd love to see them in the attraction. If anyone has seen 100 Years at the Movies that Chuck Workman arranged for TCM, you'll find it showcases a better selection of movies than the one at the end of GMR (I've seen all the movies featured in both compositions), but I don't think it flows as well and is as nicely put together as GMR's is.

While I love all of MGM's attractions except LMA, I still enjoy GMR the most, and I'm really hoping they give it a HM rehab and not a PoC one.

Skippy
 

Capt. Jack

New Member
Ok, no offence, I know people "liked" Napoleon Dynamite, but you have to be kidding me. It wasn't all that hilarious & you're skipping over many comedy classics. For instance, National Lampoon's Animal House, picture a big area with a house like, & AA's with John Belushi, Tim Matheson, Bruce McGill, & Donald Sutherland all dressed in Toga's. That'd be AWESOME! :ROFLOL:
 

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