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DCBaker

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A few excerpts from Variety on an interview Kevin Feige did with Entertainment Weekly (here's that lengthy interview).

"Fans of Tom Holland’s Peter Parker/Spider-Man are getting good news from Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige, who confirmed in a new interview with Entertainment Weekly that Holland’s fourth “Spider-Man” movie is now being written. Marvel had one of its biggest hits ever with Holland’s third-outing, “Spider-Man: No Way Home,” which became the first pandemic release to gross over $1 billion worldwide.

“All I will say is that we have the story,” Feige said about Holland’s anticipated “Spider-Man” return. “We have big ideas for that, and our writers are just putting pen to paper now.”

Whether or not Holland will once again team up with “Spider-Man” actors Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield remains to be seen. Both actors have expressed interest in returning for a new “Spider-Man” movie.

Feige also confirmed to EW that “Deadpool 3” will be the first R-rated movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Screenwriters Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick had previously said that Disney would not make “Deadpool” a family-friendly movie after the studio acquired Fox, which released two R-rated Deadpool movies that each grossed over $780 million worldwide. “Deadpool 3” will team franchise mainstay Ryan Reynolds with Emma Corrin and Hugh Jackman, reprising his “X-Men” role of Wolverine."

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"Elsewhere in the EW interview, Feige confirmed that Marvel’s Mahershala Ali-starring “Blade” movie will be filmed this year. Production on “Blade” hit a speed bump in 2022 when original director Bassam Tariq exited the project in September. Yann Demange stepped in to helm the vampire tentpole.

“It’s going well,” Feige said about “Blade.” “Our director Yann [Demange] is down in Atlanta right now. Cameras roll in, like, the next 10 weeks or so.”"

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"Disney and Marvel have not yet announced a second season of “Moon Knight” with Oscar Issac, but Feige said, “There’s a future for that character as we move forward.” He also compared the upcoming “Captain Marvel” sequel, “The Marvels,” to the first “Avengers” movie."

 

DCBaker

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"In what feels like a different timeline ago, at July’s San Diego Comic-Con, Marvel chief Kevin Feige put the pedal to the metal when he outlined five Disney+ shows for 2023 — What If …? season two, Echo, Loki season two, Ironheart and Agatha: Coven of Chaos. Now, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that Loki season two and the Samuel L. Jackson-led Secret Invasion are the only sure bets to debut this year. Even projects that wrapped months ago, such as the Hawkeye spinoff Echo and Wakanda Forever spinoff Ironheart, are unlikely to arrive in 2023 as the studio spreads out its content and tinkers in postproduction. And shows in development, such as Nova, are now on a slower path."

"Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige echoed the new direction. “The pace at which we’re putting out the Disney+ shows will change,” Feige told Entertainment Weekly in an interview published this week, noting that there will be fewer shows and that they will more spaced out."

 

MisterPenguin

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"In what feels like a different timeline ago, at July’s San Diego Comic-Con, Marvel chief Kevin Feige put the pedal to the metal when he outlined five Disney+ shows for 2023 — What If …? season two, Echo, Loki season two, Ironheart and Agatha: Coven of Chaos. Now, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that Loki season two and the Samuel L. Jackson-led Secret Invasion are the only sure bets to debut this year. Even projects that wrapped months ago, such as the Hawkeye spinoff Echo and Wakanda Forever spinoff Ironheart, are unlikely to arrive in 2023 as the studio spreads out its content and tinkers in postproduction. And shows in development, such as Nova, are now on a slower path."

"Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige echoed the new direction. “The pace at which we’re putting out the Disney+ shows will change,” Feige told Entertainment Weekly in an interview published this week, noting that there will be fewer shows and that they will more spaced out."

The memo to find $3B in expense savings must've hit all the departments by now...
 

Elijah Abrams

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In the Parks
Yes
"In what feels like a different timeline ago, at July’s San Diego Comic-Con, Marvel chief Kevin Feige put the pedal to the metal when he outlined five Disney+ shows for 2023 — What If …? season two, Echo, Loki season two, Ironheart and Agatha: Coven of Chaos. Now, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that Loki season two and the Samuel L. Jackson-led Secret Invasion are the only sure bets to debut this year. Even projects that wrapped months ago, such as the Hawkeye spinoff Echo and Wakanda Forever spinoff Ironheart, are unlikely to arrive in 2023 as the studio spreads out its content and tinkers in postproduction. And shows in development, such as Nova, are now on a slower path."

"Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige echoed the new direction. “The pace at which we’re putting out the Disney+ shows will change,” Feige told Entertainment Weekly in an interview published this week, noting that there will be fewer shows and that they will more spaced out."

Imagine if some of those upcoming MCU shows get scrapped.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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"In what feels like a different timeline ago, at July’s San Diego Comic-Con, Marvel chief Kevin Feige put the pedal to the metal when he outlined five Disney+ shows for 2023 — What If …? season two, Echo, Loki season two, Ironheart and Agatha: Coven of Chaos. Now, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that Loki season two and the Samuel L. Jackson-led Secret Invasion are the only sure bets to debut this year. Even projects that wrapped months ago, such as the Hawkeye spinoff Echo and Wakanda Forever spinoff Ironheart, are unlikely to arrive in 2023 as the studio spreads out its content and tinkers in postproduction. And shows in development, such as Nova, are now on a slower path."

"Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige echoed the new direction. “The pace at which we’re putting out the Disney+ shows will change,” Feige told Entertainment Weekly in an interview published this week, noting that there will be fewer shows and that they will more spaced out."

And there was my year subscription to D+ wasted. :(

Lesson learned. After this, binge & churn.
 

DCBaker

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Comments from Bob Iger on the Marvel brand today -

"With Marvel, he said, “there are 7,000 characters, there are a lot more stories to tell. What we have to look at at Marvel is not necessarily the volume of Marvel stories we’re telling but how many times we go back to the well on certain characters. Sequels typically work well for us. Do you need a third and a fourth, for instance, or is it time to turn to other characters?”

Iger didn’t get specific, but his comments came less than three weeks after the release of Marvel Cinematic Universe entry Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. The third Ant-Man film has grossed more than $600 million globally but drew tepid response from critics and posted a 69% second-weekend drop in the U.S., the steepest by any MCU title to date.

“There’s nothing in any way inherently off in terms of the Marvel brand,” Iger stressed. “I think we just have to look at what characters and stories we’re mining. If you look at the trajectory of Marvel in the next five years, there will be a lot of newness. We’re going to turn back to the Avengers franchise with a whole new set of Avengers, for example.”"

 

MisterPenguin

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Comments from Bob Iger on the Marvel brand today -

"With Marvel, he said, “there are 7,000 characters, there are a lot more stories to tell. What we have to look at at Marvel is not necessarily the volume of Marvel stories we’re telling but how many times we go back to the well on certain characters. Sequels typically work well for us. Do you need a third and a fourth, for instance, or is it time to turn to other characters?”

Iger didn’t get specific, but his comments came less than three weeks after the release of Marvel Cinematic Universe entry Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. The third Ant-Man film has grossed more than $600 million globally but drew tepid response from critics and posted a 69% second-weekend drop in the U.S., the steepest by any MCU title to date.

“There’s nothing in any way inherently off in terms of the Marvel brand,” Iger stressed. “I think we just have to look at what characters and stories we’re mining. If you look at the trajectory of Marvel in the next five years, there will be a lot of newness. We’re going to turn back to the Avengers franchise with a whole new set of Avengers, for example.”"


Sequels have done well and not done well.

Non-sequels have done well and not done well.

So...?

Remember Bob, you were going to give the creatives back control, right?
 

Disney Irish

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This smells of Iger getting ready to treat Marvel like Disney Channel shows are treated.
I really don't get that feeling at all. I would take it at face value, they see disappointment in how Thor4 and Quantumania did at the Box Office and so wants to move forward instead of revisiting the same characters over and over.

Honestly some of us already knew this was going to happen anyways.
 

MisterPenguin

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I really don't get that feeling at all. I would take it at face value, they see disappointment in how Thor4 and Quantumania did at the Box Office and so wants to move forward instead of revisiting the same characters over and over.

Honestly some of us already knew this was going to happen anyways.
But Thor 3 and Ant-Man 2 did very well. Both sequels.

And Thor 3 did very well despite Thor 2 being not very well received.

You can do brand new characters, like The Eternals, and still not do well.

You can go to the Spider-Man well for the 7th time and break a billion at the box office.

TV shows with 7 seasons can remain popular. And that's just continuous sequeling.

Disney/Marvel's problem is that each Marvel movie is budgeted as a tentpole, and they all need to make two thirds of a billion at the box office just to break even. Luckily for Disney, they have the means to leverage after-theatrical-window markets.
 

Disney Irish

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But Thor 3 and Ant-Man 2 did very well. Both sequels.

And Thor 3 did very well despite Thor 2 being not very well received.

You can do brand new characters, like The Eternals, and still not do well.

You can go to the Spider-Man well for the 7th time and break a billion at the box office.

TV shows with 7 seasons can remain popular. And that's just continuous sequeling.

Disney/Marvel's problem is that each Marvel movie is budgeted as a tentpole, and they all need to make two thirds of a billion at the box office just to break even. Luckily for Disney, they have the means to leverage after-theatrical-window markets.
Its a balance right, can't do Thor 15 and expect it to do better than the previous 14.

So I take it as they just aren't going to do sequels just for the sake of a sequel, it has to make sense in the larger scheme of the the MCU. Was Thor4 really needed, sure maybe overall. But a lot of that story wasn't needed and probably could have been told as a B or C plot of another film. And I'm saying that as someone who liked the film.

And yes I agree, as has been discussed before, MCU films (and all Disney films) need to come down in budget so that a $500M-$600M Box Office is still a profitable success rather than just break even or loss.
 

DCBaker

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"Deadline has confirmed that the esteemed Marvel executive and EP of several movies, Victoria Alonso, has exited Marvel Studios after a 17 year run. No reasons were given for her departure, which was effective Friday. It is quite a shocker given her amiable demeanor and passion for all things Marvel.

Her most recent title at the Marvel Studios was President, Physical and Postproduction, VFX and Animation Production.

Alonso was recently a producer on the Oscar nominated international feature film Argentina, 1985.

Alonso joined Marvel in 2006 as chief of visual effects and post-production, and was involved in the launch of 2008’s Iron Man as a co-producer. She counted co-producer credits on Iron Man 2 (2010), Thor (2011) and Captain America: The First Avenger (2011), and was elevate to EP on on Avengers (2012).

Alonso has been an EP on several Marvel movies and Disney+ series including most recently Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, Thor Love & Thunder and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, in addition to series such as Loki, Ms. Marvel, and The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special to name a few."

 

Stupido

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Yikes, this doesn't feel good. It feels like Victoria is taking the fall for the common complaint that Marvel's VFX have been pretty rough lately. Alonso didn't decide to promote quantity over quality, and it seems really crappy that they're using her as a scapegoat, when everyone knows that Disney has been giving their artists unreasonably tight turn arounds. It's also very telling that the first major studio exec to get fired is a woman.

Marvel has many many problems in their kitchen right now. Their biggest, in my opinion, has been them tripiling down on these Rick and Morty writers that are running the story telling into the ground. I'll take subpar effects over a weak story anytime. Three separate projects were sunk because of Rick of Morty alumn, and two of them have been handed the pen for the next two Avengers Movies. If Jeff Loveness and Michael Waldron aren't replaced, I truly think it will be the end of the MCU.

But sure, let's fire the woman who was just trying to keep up with what the last Bob ordered.
 

Jedijax719

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All things in perspective. A poorly received MCU movie (AntMan3) makes over $100 million in its first weekend and has already pulled in over $200 million domestically. An equally poorly perceived DC movie makes $30 million opening weekend and may not even reach $100 million (Shazam 2). So things "not going well" for MCU are still miles ahead of DC.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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"Deadline has confirmed that the esteemed Marvel executive and EP of several movies, Victoria Alonso, has exited Marvel Studios after a 17 year run. No reasons were given for her departure, which was effective Friday. It is quite a shocker given her amiable demeanor and passion for all things Marvel.

Her most recent title at the Marvel Studios was President, Physical and Postproduction, VFX and Animation Production.

Alonso was recently a producer on the Oscar nominated international feature film Argentina, 1985.

Alonso joined Marvel in 2006 as chief of visual effects and post-production, and was involved in the launch of 2008’s Iron Man as a co-producer. She counted co-producer credits on Iron Man 2 (2010), Thor (2011) and Captain America: The First Avenger (2011), and was elevate to EP on on Avengers (2012).

Alonso has been an EP on several Marvel movies and Disney+ series including most recently Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, Thor Love & Thunder and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, in addition to series such as Loki, Ms. Marvel, and The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special to name a few."

I'm absolutely GOBSMACKED/FLOORED/SHOCKED by this. I couldn't believe it when I read it earlier. I can't imagine they would choose to let her go. Not only was she basically amongst the top three or four execs for the MCU, but she was one of the most powerful female POC LGBTQ+ execs in the industry. You couldn't help but love her if you saw her speak about her passion for her job. I don't understand how this happened (whether she was pushed out or chose to leave). I'm just... sad and very confused.
 

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