Gambling, Chapek announced a change in Disney's policy.

[champdisney]

This isn't the movies where the casino is owned by the Mob. The Gambino family is not going to come break Mickey's legs because of some gambling debt. So this image of crime ridden gambling establishments that you seem to have in your mind is just that, in your mind.

I worked in the casino industry for a few years. It's all organized crime. Nothing involving the mob that's for sure.

To assume that my head is in the movies is bad judgement on your part.

 

[John park hopper]

I hope prostitution isn't legalized Bob would put Minnie Mouse to work

 

[TwilightZone]

Ah, so that's what's going to happen to the failed ESPN thing that replaced Disney Quest.

 

[Disney Irish]

I worked in the casino industry for a few years. It's all organized crime. Nothing involving the mob that's for sure.

To assume that my head is in the movies is bad judgement on your part.

I've also been involved with the casino industry and its not all organized crime. So assuming that any gambling will bring a "crowd" is bad judgement on your part.

 

[champdisney]

I've also been involved with the casino industry and its not all organized crime. So assuming that any gambling will bring a "crowd" is bad judgement on your part.

Dude, you love going back and forth. You took one sentence I posted and responded in paragraphs. Instead of assuming what's in my mind, why not ask what I meant?

Okay, you have worked in the casino industry. You already know how some patrons get. Drunk, nasty, leave in loud dramatic fashion when losing everything they've got. A lot of drug dealing and drug usage going on in the bathrooms. The homeless tend to migrate around those areas as well. Just overall bad for business for WDW if they are indeed interested diving back into the gambling business.

Which I highly doubt.

I just think its a bit comical how some such as yourself would get bent out of shape after I used the term crowd. You out of all people should have understood what I meant by it. There are MANY decent folks who gamble and do so peacefully and then there's some who make a scene and do other "recreational" activities while gambling.

 

[Disney Irish]

Dude, you love going back and forth. You took one sentence I posted and responded in paragraphs. Instead of assuming what's in my mind, why not ask what I meant?

Okay, you have worked in the casino industry. You already know how some patrons get. Drunk, nasty, leave in loud dramatic fashion when losing everything they've got. A lot of drug dealing and drug usage going on in the bathrooms. The homeless tend to migrate around those areas as well. Just overall bad for business for WDW if they are indeed interested diving back into the gambling business.

Which I highly doubt.

I just think its a bit comical how some such as yourself would get bent out of shape after I used the term crowd. You out of all people should have understood what I meant by it. There are MANY decent folks who gamble and do so peacefully and then there's some who make a scene and do other "recreational" activities while gambling.

I understand your point, but I think its a bit over-dramatic in my opinion. Plus as stated previously that same "crowd" is already at WDW Resorts and other Disney Parks. Unless you believe that every guest is pure and doesn't drink or do drugs while on-property.

But in reality we're talking about at the most sports betting, not a full on gambling experience. Even then I doubt that sports betting would be on-property anyways. It would be expanding an already existing partnerships with Caeaser's Sportsbook and DraftKings -

Caesars Enters Sports-Betting Partnership with Disney

The deal includes link integrations from ESPN's digital platforms to sports books from Caesars Entertainment's sports betting partner, William Hill.

www.thestreet.com

So Disney one way or another is already involved in the gambling industry.

 

[champdisney]

I understand your point, but I think its a bit over-dramatic in my opinion. Plus as stated previously that same "crowd" is already at WDW Resorts and other Disney Parks. Unless you believe that every guest is pure and doesn't drink or do drugs while on-property.

But in reality we're talking about at the most sports betting, not a full on gambling experience. Even then I doubt that sports betting would be on-property anyways. It would be expanding an already existing partnerships with Caeaser's Sportsbook and DraftKings -

Caesars Enters Sports-Betting Partnership with Disney

The deal includes link integrations from ESPN's digital platforms to sports books from Caesars Entertainment's sports betting partner, William Hill.

www.thestreet.com

So Disney one way or another is already involved in the gambling industry.

Nowadays, I'm seeing more rowdy guests. I think we all are, especially at EPCOT and Disney Springs. There is no purity left but as for now, it's 'somewhat' controlled.

As for why I am so vocally against casinos at WDW. Here it is.

Further, I wouldn't object to Disney working with the Seminole Indians and allow them to build a casino of the land they own on the otherside of Flamingo Crossing. I don't understand why some people are so opposed to gambling.

 

[Lilofan]

Nowadays, I'm seeing more rowdy guests. I think we all are, especially at EPCOT and Disney Springs. There is no purity left but as for now, it's 'somewhat' controlled.

As for why I am so vocally against casinos at WDW. Here it is.

The " rowdiness" is that vacation I don't care mentality. What happens in Vegas , stays in Vegas. Feel free to substitute Vegas for another location.

 

[champdisney]

The " rowdiness" is that vacation I don't care mentality. What happens in Vegas , stays in Vegas. Feel free to substitute Vegas for another location.

That is true. A lot of them justify it with "I paid a lot of money to be here! I do what I want!"

Still, there is a certain conduct that must be followed. For the most part, guests get it. Its every now and then you'll see this and usually at the locations I mentioned.

 

[matt78]

Dude, you love going back and forth. You took one sentence I posted and responded in paragraphs. Instead of assuming what's in my mind, why not ask what I meant?

Okay, you have worked in the casino industry. You already know how some patrons get. Drunk, nasty, leave in loud dramatic fashion when losing everything they've got. A lot of drug dealing and drug usage going on in the bathrooms. The homeless tend to migrate around those areas as well. Just overall bad for business for WDW if they are indeed interested diving back into the gambling business.

Which I highly doubt.

I just think its a bit comical how some such as yourself would get bent out of shape after I used the term crowd. You out of all people should have understood what I meant by it. There are MANY decent folks who gamble and do so peacefully and then there's some who make a scene and do other "recreational" activities while gambling.

I think what you say is true of destination sites such as Vegas or Atlantic City but I don't think its necessarily true in places where casino are not the main attraction. A lot of this behavior would stop if casinos stopped giving away free or cheap alcohol. But that won't happen because it is a draw for a lot of people.

As for the bolded I would be willing to bet that most of that already happens daily somewhere on WDW property.

In regards to gambling when Disney bought the rights for Star Wars and Marvel, they made sure that any Star Wars and Marvel slot machines in all casinos disappeared to not associate Disney directly with the one arm bandits.

Except Spider-Man. You can still find ones based off of the Raimi movies. Sony must still have control over that.

Tolkien's estate sued Warner for its licensing deal on LOTR slot machines.

This is the first I have heard about this. They must have lost because LOTR slots are still pretty common.

 

[champdisney]

I think what you say is true of destination sites such as Vegas or Atlantic City but I don't think its necessarily true in places where casino are not the main attraction. A lot of this behavior would stop if casinos stopped giving away free or cheap alcohol. But that won't happen because it is a draw for a lot of people.

I'm from South Florida and I can confirm it happens here too and it's a daily occurrence. WDW is only a good 3-4 hours away from those casinos. I'm more than sure that "crowd" I keep referring to, wouldn't mind taking the drive to gamble and party at a casino ran by Disney.

They will do it and they'll show up accompanied with all of their bad habits.

You're right though. It's the free/cheap liquor that keeps em' coming back. Mix that in with free play and you're going to get the same people marching through those doors. Not all of these patrons are terrible, of course. Still, locations that provide those kind of perks end up garnering a bad reputation when the not-so-friendly compulsive gamblers frequent those establishments.

Disney wouldn't be able to do this. Cheap alcohol and free play? LOL!

Perhaps they could bring in a casino...

As for the bolded I would be willing to bet that most of that already happens daily somewhere on WDW property.

It happens. I've seen it. Usually, it can be controlled. However, when in an environment that entails gambling, all bets are off.

Not trying to come across as being over-dramatic on this but it is what it is.

 

[Lilofan]

I'm from South Florida and I can confirm it happens here too and it's a daily occurrence. WDW is only a good 3-4 hours away from those casinos. I'm more than sure that "crowd" I keep referring to, wouldn't mind taking the drive to gamble and party at a casino ran by Disney.

They will do it and they'll show up accompanied with all of their bad habits.

You're right though. It's the free/cheap liquor that drives these people back. Mix that in with free play and you're going to get the same people marching through those doors. Not all of these patrons are terrible, of course. Still, locations that provide those kind of perks end up garnering a bad reputation when the not-so-friendly compulsive gamblers frequent those establishments.

Disney wouldn't able to do this. Cheap alcohol and free platforms? LOL!

Perhaps they could bring in a casino...

It happens. I've seen it. Usually, it can be controlled. However, when in an environment that entails gambling, all bets are off.

Not trying to come across as being over-dramatic on this but it is what it is.

We had a good time staying and experiencing the Hard Rock Hotel&Casino in Ft. Lauderdale. Not much visible drunks and bad behavior but still a pleasant time.

 

[champdisney]

We had a good time staying and experiencing the Hard Rock Hotel&Casino in Ft. Lauderdale. Not much visible drunks and bad behavior but still a pleasant time.

Hard Rock in Hollywood, FL has had its fair share. They really turned things around when they opened up their guitar tower 2 years ago.

 

[matt78]

I'm from South Florida and I can confirm it happens here too and it's a daily occurrence. WDW is only a good 3-4 hours away from those casinos. I'm more than sure that "crowd" I keep referring to, wouldn't mind taking the drive to gamble and party at a casino ran by Disney.

They will do it and they'll show up accompanied with all of their bad habits.

You're right though. It's the free/cheap liquor that keeps em' coming back. Mix that in with free play and you're going to get the same people marching through those doors. Not all of these patrons are terrible, of course. Still, locations that provide those kind of perks end up garnering a bad reputation when the not-so-friendly compulsive gamblers frequent those establishments.

Disney wouldn't be able to do this. Cheap alcohol and free play? LOL!

Perhaps they could bring in a casino...

It happens. I've seen it. Usually, it can be controlled. However, when in an environment that entails gambling, all bets are off.

Not trying to come across as being over-dramatic on this but it is what it is.

Weird I'm from PA and I swear it seems like a majority of the people I see in the casinos around here are senor citizens who are just looking for something to do. I've seen very little of what you describe happening around here. I won't say it doesn't happen its just not noticeable. I haven't even noticed it in AC much the last few times I've been there. Of course AC isn't what it used to be now that PA and Maryland have their own casinos. A lot of the AC casinos have struggled to stay open and some have changed hands multiple times since this happened.

 

[Lilofan]

Weird I'm from PA and I swear it seems like a majority of the people I see in the casinos around here are senor citizens who are just looking for something to do. I've seen very little of what you describe happening around here. I won't say it doesn't happen its just not noticeable. I haven't even noticed it in AC much the last few times I've been there. Of course AC isn't what it used to be now that PA and Maryland have their own casinos. A lot of the AC casinos have struggled to stay open and some have changed hands multiple times since this happened.

The crowd in South FL and Vegas who frequent casinos especially on weekends are a different breed and mindset. There is a saying " What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas ".

 

[GimpYancIent]

Interesting that Bob would make any indication of embracing gambling since " The powerful Seminole Tribe of Florida, which is owner and operator of seven of the state’s eight tribal casinos, and the the Walt Disney Company, Florida’s largest employer, are teaming up in an effort to strip politicians of the ability to change gambling laws without voter consent." So Bob is now not pro-voter?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The crowd in South FL and Vegas who frequent casinos especially on weekends are a different breed and mindset. There is a saying " What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas ".

I’ve worked in a casino in Vegas for 20 years, 98% of our patrons are average joes, they don’t cause any problems and they have a great time… the 2% who are loud obnoxious jerks are much more noticeable though.

Unfortunately it doesn’t take many people to ruin the fun, if a bar has 100 people at it and 2 are screaming or picking fights it can ruin the night for the 98 others. Casinos are aware of this though and do their best to minimize it. Unless you’re near the nightclub areas (absolute chaos) it’s usually pretty civilized.

 

[GimpYancIent]

I have no issues with the folks that gamble that is their business. I do not see gamblers pressuring non-gamblers to gamble. I do see gamblers focusing on what they are doing and not wanting to be distracted from their gambling activities. Hence, there are amusement areas conducive to gambling activities and there are amusement areas that are not. Disney properties are not conducive to gambling activities. It would not be a good mix.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I have no issues with the folks that gamble that is their business. I do not see gamblers pressuring non-gamblers to gamble. I do see gamblers focusing on what they are doing and not wanting to be distracted from their gambling activities. Hence, there are amusement areas conducive to gambling activities and there are amusement areas that are not. Disney properties are not conducive to gambling activities. It would not be a good mix.

Agreed, a casino is the exact opposite vibe of a Disney park, I don’t see them ever mixing the two. This is also probably why I love the parks so much…

I could see sports betting coming to Disney Springs though on a small scale. Had they not gotten rid of the ESPN zones they’d be the perfect location for sports betting. As someone mentioned earlier the NBA experience is probably a likely candidate for a sports themed restaurant with a small sports book inside it.

It may work, it may end up being another Pleasure Island where they decide it isn’t worth the headache after a few years.

 

[Lilofan]

I’ve worked in a casino in Vegas for 20 years, 98% of our patrons are average joes, they don’t cause any problems and they have a great time… the 2% who are loud obnoxious jerks are much more noticeable though.

Unfortunately it doesn’t take many people to ruin the fun, if a bar has 100 people at it and 2 are screaming or picking fights it can ruin the night for the 98 others. Casinos are aware of this though and do their best to minimize it. Unless you’re near the nightclub areas (absolute chaos) it’s usually pretty civilized.

The ones I know of friends and family have flown to Vegas for bachelorette party weekends to include gambling and they have a wild weekend to let themselves loose. You are correct about the nightclub behavior. To add to that the infamous pool parties is Vegas hedonism.