Future Splash Mtn. Re-Theme

mickEblu

mickEblu

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
I think you might be on to something.
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I highly doubt it. The soundtrack to the attraction alone is a major part of the Disneyland/ Disney parks brand. However, now that my wheels are turning, what does concern me is that they haven’t put a Splash Mountain in the last 3 Castle parks built. So the question is why, when it’s such a huge hit in the U.S and Tokyo? I think it was in the plans for Tokyo but Paris ran into budget problems. I knew they opened Hong Kong DL with like 10 rides so maybe they were being cheap there. I just wonder why they would build Mystic Manor/ Grizzly Gulch. before a ride like Splash? Weather, culture, maintenance costs?
 
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Rich T

Rich T

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TragicMike said:
I know the "Gloom and Doom" posts are hip and trendy right now but I don't see this happening. A lot a variables to juggle for little payoff.
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This isn't doom and gloom, this is just a bit of looking at what Disney's been doing these past several years and realistically projecting that forward. Ten years ago, would anyone have believed Disney would bulldoze 1/4 of DL's Rivers of America to build a gargantuan land based on a property Disney didn't create? More recently, would ANYONE have believed Pixar Pier was a real possibility?

And we all know that when/if Splash gets an official announcement of a retheme, all the Disney's-Never-Wrong fans will proclaim it a great move. If a forum poster suggests it, it's heresy, but if Disney announces it, it's suddenly a bolt of brilliance from Imagineering.
 
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DanielBB8

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They haven’t made “Laughing Place” off limits with association with “The Song of the South”. So it’s a long shot. My feeling is Disney should rehabilitate the movie by carefully editing out the live action Uncle Remus and the kids, have a new narrative, and include the animated characters. Call it “The Songbook of the South”.
 
Dead2009

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Rich T said:
1) Disney knows Splash Mtn.'s origin IP is (deserved or not) a ticking grenade of potential social media disaster. All it would take is one slow news week and the next thing you know #RacistRabbitRide is all over CNN.
2) Nothing at DL is sacred. That's been made quite clear.
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If CNN were to do this, there would have to be some hidden agenda at play here.
 
Rich T

Rich T

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Darkbeer1 said:
I think a Disney Up themed ride. Feature Dug, and place a bunch of AA Squirrels along the flume....



The lift hill could be you going up in a balloon....
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Actually, I think you just predicted the future of Grizzly River! But the squirrels will just be bobble-heads. 😀
 
Disney Irish

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Rich T said:
This isn't doom and gloom, this is just a bit of looking at what Disney's been doing these past several years and realistically projecting that forward. Ten years ago, would anyone have believed Disney would bulldoze 1/4 of DL's Rivers of America to build a gargantuan land based on a property Disney didn't create? More recently, would ANYONE have believed Pixar Pier was a real possibility?

And we all know that when/if Splash gets an official announcement of a retheme, all the Disney's-Never-Wrong fans will proclaim it a great move. If a forum poster suggests it, it's heresy, but if Disney announces it, it's suddenly a bolt of brilliance from Imagineering.
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For me personally I would be heartbroken, but I'd get over it. My opinion then would be based on what replaces Splash. As I said before I don't think a straight retheme would be possible. Another question, would a retheme trigger new CAL/OSHA and ADA standards that weren't around in the 80s to be required? Which if true, then is the current physical building up to the current standards?

Anyways, not as easy as one would think.
 
Darkbeer1

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Disney Irish Bruh said:
For me personally I would be heartbroken, but I'd get over it. My opinion then would be based on what replaces Splash. As I said before I don't think a straight retheme would be possible. Another question, would a retheme trigger new CAL/OSHA and ADA standards that weren't around in the 80s to be required? Which if true, then is the current physical building up to the current standards?
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A retheme is cosmetic, so ADA law won't require a change. Changing the loading platform for the logs would require Disney to make them as friendly as possible. Maybe a log pull over area similar to Space Mountain or Midway Mania.
 
Disney Irish

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Darkbeer1 said:
A retheme is cosmetic, so ADA law won't require a change. Changing the loading platform for the logs would require Disney to make them as friendly as possible. Maybe a log pull over area similar to Space Mountain or Midway Mania.
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Which I think they'd have to do. Because if a retheme is even considered, they'd probably want to bring the side-by-side logs from WDW for higher capacity.
 
Rich T

Rich T

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mickEblu said:
I highly doubt it. The soundtrack to the attraction alone is a major part of the Disneyland/ Disney parks brand. However, now that my wheels are turning, what does concern me is that they haven’t put a Splash Mountain in the last 3 Castle parks built. So the question is why, when it’s such a huge hit in the U.S and Tokyo? I think it was in the plans for Tokyo but Paris ran into budget problems. I knew they opened Hong Kong DL with like 10 rides so maybe they were being cheap there. I just wonder why they would build Mystic Manor/ Grizzly Gulch. before a ride like Splash? Weather, culture, maintenance costs?
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The soundtrack to Carousel of Progress and the Country Bears used to be a huge part of Disneyland. Zip a dee doo dah is used in countless other spots, and only Disney geeks who actually collect the music (that's a-me!) care about the rest of Splash's score. Joe and Jenny Public ride Splash for the drop, not the Moulin Rouge chicken choir.

And I truly think Splash will never be bulit again due to the whole SotS thing. Iger and crew want no part of that, and why prod that cultural beehive when they've got Star Wars, Marvel and Frozen to exploit?
 
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Rich T

Rich T

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
So do I, but I also believe anything is possible in the wake of SW:GE, Mission Breakout, and Pixar Pier.
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Exactly. I mean, we're living in a DL era where Elsa's palace on the Matterhorn is being discussed as a scary possibilty and people actually think Song of the South is sacred territory???
 
mickEblu

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Rich T said:
The soundtrack to Carousel of Progress and the Country Bears used to be a huge part of Disneyland. Zip a dee doo dah is used in countless other spots, and only Disney geeks who actually collect the music (that's a-me!) care about the rest of Splash's music. Joe and Jenny Public ride Splash for the drop, not the Moulin Rouge chicken choir.

And I truly think Splash will never be bulit again due to the whole SotS thing. Iger and crew want no part of that, and why prod that cultural behive when they've got Star Wars, Marvel and Frozen to exploit?
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Hmmm I’ll give you CBJ even though I think Splash is on another level. I’m not sure about COP as I wasn’t around. It just doesn’t strike me as having the mass appeal that Splash’s soundtrack has.

I disagree. I’m not saying that Joe Shmo rides FOR the soundtrack but it is a huge part of the collective experience.

I’m not entirely sure that the PC element is why it hasn’t been built again. As it stands 2 of the 3 Splash Mountains are located where folks would have the most issue with it. I’m not sure people in Hong Kong or Shanghai would care, let alone know what the IP is from. But I agree, it will never be built again now that they Marvel and Star Wars to exploit.
 
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Rich T

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mickEblu said:
Hmmm I’ll give you CBJ even though I think Splash is on another level. I’m not sure about COP as I wasn’t around. It just doesn’t strike me as having the mass appeal that Splash’s soundtrack has.

I disagree. I’m not saying that Joe Shmo rides FOR the soundtrack but it is a huge part of the collective experience.

I’m not entirely sure that the PC element is why it hasn’t been built again. As it stands 2 of the 3 Splash Mountains are located where folks would have the most issue with it. I’m not sure people in Hong Kong or Shanghai would care, let alone know what the IP is from.
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Today's Disneyland management doesn't mind that no one can hear the original HM music for nearly half the year.

And even though other countries might not mind about Song of the South... Why even touch it when the IP isn't very popular (or even a strong movie) to begin with? It's much more likely that they'd now build a flume ride based on Princess and the Frog (Hey, I like that), Jungle Book or Duckta-- Holy smokes, if they rethemed Splash to Ducktales, I'd forgive them for EVERYTHiNG! :D
 
PiratesMansion

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I would like to think they wouldn't touch one of the mountains, but then they apparently made HyperSpace Mountain permanent in HKDL, so...maybe they would. Personally Splash (particularly DL's Splash) is one of my least favorite of the iconic attractions, so it could be worse if something HAD to undergo that change.

As for not building Splash in the other parks: I don't think I've ever seen it confirmed, but I had thought it was cut for budget in Paris, not to mention that Disneyland Paris has actual seasonal weather and snow to worry about. Why build Splash if there are several months of the year where you wouldn't get much use out of it? Not to mention that I don't know that non-American audiences have the same desire to get wet (not that that stopped them in Tokyo, where you get maybe two drops of water on you before the end of the ride).

And of course Hong Kong and Shanghai especially have clearly moved away from the blueprints of the first four resorts, not to mention that Splash is a fairly old ride concept at this point. Why use problematic outdated IP when you can do Avengers Mega Moist Movie Mountain: Ultimate Mission Splashout instead?
 
mickEblu

mickEblu

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Rich T said:
Today's Disneyland management doesn't mind that no one can hear the original HM music for nearly half the year.

And even though other countries might not mind about Song of the South... Why even touch it when the IP isn't very popular (or even a strong movie) to begin with? It's much more likely that they'd now build a flume ride based on Princess and the Frog (Hey, I like that), Jungle Book or Duckta-- Holy smokes, if they rethemed Splash to Ducktales, I'd forgive them for EVERYTHiNG! :D
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A jungle book or Princess and the frog flume ride would be great. As long as it’s not replacing Splash. Lol not sure about Ducktales though- I’d save that IP for Mickey runaway rail way type ride.
 

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