Future Disneyland Resort run weekends cancelled?

MoonRakerSCM

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Has anyone heard this rumor? I've heard from a few friends that it 'will' be announced soon that ALL Disney run weekends will be cancelled at the Disneyland Resort for the foreseeable future. Their source was 'the internet'.

Would not be surprised due to Disney's unprofessional lack of statement involving their non-action on upcoming runs... but was curious if anyone else had heard anything.
 

TP2000

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Seems to be worth its own thread if the rumor is true. And the rumor wouldn't surprise me.

Those races are a huge undertaking, and bring the Resort District to a grinding halt on holiday weekend mornings. It makes sense to do them in WDW, where Disney owns all the roads and infrastructure and can tell the local authorities what to do. But in Anaheim, even when things were cozy with the city, it was a logistical nightmare that ticked off the neighbors.

Now that the city and Disneyland are barely on speaking terms, it's no surprise TDA suits would want to cancel them. And if they aren't making much money on them to begin with, what's the point exactly? :confused:

They should just do one race per year, make it a real event, and stop with this every 60 days there's some "very special" half-marathon themed to something or another. It just got out of control, was no longer special, and was just a giant headache.

I'm sure there's a few dozen runners in Tinkerbell tuutuu's or Stormtrooper masks who would disagree with me. But good riddance to these monstrous non-event running events.
 
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Darkbeer1

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OK, I talked about a few things in the Eastern Gateway Thread, but I want to focus on the logistics and issues here.

First off, Disney does make money on the races, but not ""enough" (Return on Investment). In recent years, they have cut back budgets and tried to find cost savings to get the "large enough" profit the company wants.

So, logistics for the race.

Prior to race day -distribution of racing and merchandise sales. This is done on property in Hotel Convention Space, so besides the lost of possible rental space, the one drawback is the amount of locals that will come to pick up the bibs and other items, and need a place to park their cars. And currently, that can cause an issue, But nothing that would stop the event from happening. (Heck, CM's don't mind giving up their normal parking areas for guest use,,, ;)

So, the day of the race, what has to be done, and what city streets need to be closed, and when and how long. Here is a course map for the Half-Marathon.

https://www.halfmarathons.net/course-map-disneyland-half-marathon/

So the days before the race, you have staging, which is just dropping of items near the closures and placing items on the edges and median of the streets, not cause closures, Also signage warning of the upcoming closures.

The first street that needs to close is Disneyland Drive. For locals, it is mainly a secondary street and a closure is no big deal. So closing it between Magic Way south to the Grand Californian driveway/traffic light is no real issue, access to the GCH and PPH and Simba lot is available, and DLH is an easy detour on Walnut to Magic Way. So being able to set up the start line and runner corrals is not an issue. Next is addressing the early access to M&F parking structure for runners. Pretty much an easy fix using the crossover bridge and closing Disneyland Dr south of Ball Road, allowing access to just the structure from those travelling east/west on Ball in the overnight hours,

So no major impact, and the majority of folks impacted are Disney guests. Locals are rerouted down Walnut betwenBall and Katella.

The issue becomes when the race starts (5:30 AM). Now you have two times to worry about, the first is the fastest times, which just letting folks know when they need to close the specific intersections and roads. Of course, it happens a bit before the first runner, but later at mile 10 than mile 1. Now, the more important time is the required course "pace: that runners are told. First off, runners are not all sent off at the same time, but in stages, with the elite runners first, and casual runners at the end. Once the last runner is past the start line, a minimum pace starts, for example 10 minutes a mile, though usually a bit more. So lets say 30 minutes to get everyone past the start line, you now have an over 2 hour window of keeping the finish line open, and roads closed at the end of the race.

Now, the first part of the race is inside the parks for a couple of reasons, first off, security, as all runners get screened prior to the start, and to allow the parks to prepare for opening to regular guests. They used to have other options, but have been forced to do the parks first. Now, security over the entire course is important, especially after the Boston Marathon tragedy.

So the first road impact is Ball Road at Disneyland Drive heading east, so since it is early in the day and the race, not a big deal

The key is mile 11 and after, we are now getting to around 7 AM (and the last runners are a couple of hours behind), and how to get the runner to the parks without impacting Katella Avenue, especially west of the I-5.

Well, that leaves one road, Disney Way. One alternative would be using the Katella CM parking lot, where the runners could cross the freeway using Gene Autry Way to go through the parking lot, but you still need to cross Katella at Manchester, to where? If Disney Way is not available, do you place runners on Katella going west for a block or two, and what impact does that have on the area's traffic.

Now, it is a holiday weekend, and construction can shut down to open up parts of Disney Way near the I-5 and Anaheim Blvd, one of the main areas that will be getting street improvements for Pumbaa access.

But the issue and impact are real, and stopping the races until the Eastern Gateway re-opens would help, plus it would build up demand for when the races return, which would allow Disney to charge more, and offer less entertainment to help the profit margins. You also hopefully have a more friendly city council.
 

FerretAfros

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As a frequent runDisney runner with about a dozen race weekends under my belt each at WDW and DLR, I fully expect at least 1-2 of the 4 annual race weekends to be cancelled regardless of local politics, if not all of them. A few years ago rD ramped up the number of DLR events to try to keep up with demand during the nationwide running boom, but as national trends have reversed direction Disneyland has found themselves with races that no longer sell out, even with reduced field sizes and slightly reduced registration costs. The 2017 Disneyland Half Marathon, the flagship west coast runDisney race, had fewer than 9,000 finishers, compared to over 15,000 in 2015

Compare that to the WDW races, which continue to sell out well in advance of race day, though at a slower pace than they once did (weeks or months vs hours or days). WDW's races are also significantly larger than DLR's, with the headline races capped at 25,000 runners vs 16,000, making them far easier to profit from before even considering things like non-Disney road closure fees, hotel & food revenue, etc. that WDW benefits from more. The east coast race lineup has changed some in recent years, but all of the events remain very popular

runDisney's west coast races have always felt half-hearted to me. While WDW (and DLP) feel more like a celebration of running, where experienced runners let loose and new runners test their fortitude in a welcoming environment, DLR's events have always felt more like the place to see and be seen amongst the trendy soCal-ers, with running more of a footnote on the event. Now that the social media trends have moved on to something else, the audience attracted by those trends has moved on too.

Additionally, there are always obvious logistical blunders in Anaheim, as though none of the event staff from the previous event is still around to learn from previous mistakes; it's like every race is their first race. From overcrowding at expos, to crowdflow in the staging areas, to delayed starts, to on-course congestion, there's always something that just doesn't quite work the way it's supposed to. runDisney charges premium prices, and frankly they don't deliver a premium experience on the west coast. Their races aren't terrible, but they're not really worth the price and hassle associated with them

And all of this is before considering other issues, like the friction with the city, operational constraints on the parks, and impacts to other guests. A recent legal ruling in California banned volunteers from helping for-profit events (like runDisney and Rock n Roll races), so all the water station volunteers, course marshals, and entertainers now have to be paid, further cutting into their potential profitability

EDIT: For what it's worth, WDW's Marathon Weekend is now their most profitable weekend of the year, held during the otherwise-deserted week after New Years, which is generally an awful time to take a vacation. Between race registration costs, fully booked hotels, massive food sales (runners fuel way more than average guests), and limited impacts on park operations (runners tend to enter the parks late and leave early, due to the race schedules), it's a money printing machine. DLR has no such equivalent.
Well, that leaves one road, Disney Way. One alternative would be using the Katella CM parking lot, where the runners could cross the freeway using Gene Autry Way to go through the parking lot, but you still need to cross Katella at Manchester, to where? If Disney Way is not available, do you place runners on Katella going west for a block or two, and what impact does that have on the area's traffic.
The map you linked to is old, and more recent ones have used the routing you described. This allows Harbor Blvd to remain open, in turn allowing the ART buses to operate (transit is critical in an area like this when roads are operating at reduced capacity), and has the added benefit to runners of returning to the hotels via Katella where spectators are present, rather than the isolated, boring, and soul-crushing semi-backstage bypass behind DCA
2017-dl-half-course-1-650x323.png

It's also worth pointing out that each of the 4 races follows a different route (DL1/2 goes east to the stadium, Tink goes north to downtown Anaheim, Avengers goes southeast and returns through the stadium, and Star Wars goes south to Garden Grove), and those routes are all tweaked slightly each year depending on a variety of needs

I should also note that your time limits are slightly off. It takes about 45-50 minutes for the last runners to start (races previously started at 5:30am, though 5:00am seems to be the new trend) with a 16-minute per mile pace, which translates to a 3:30 finish (the winner usually finishes around 1:05-1:15, depending on the event). The last of the roads around the resort should reopen by 9:30-10am
 
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Darkbeer1

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Thanks, FerretAfros.

Well, if Disney Way is going to be bad, Manchester between the HoJo's on Harbor and the CM Lot on Katella is going to be awful, to the point parts of it might be closed to thru traffic at times, to make the public road repairs/enlargement and improvements (for example., there is a large section without a sidewalk on either side).

After the Eastern Gateway is completed, it could be helpful.

For example, use M&F for race parking only. Then use Pummba for early morning guests parking using the Disney Way off-ramps on I-5 in both directions. Takes the cars away from the course, plus the park guests away from the start/finish on the west end of DtD.

So a reduction of the amount per year, and a "forced hiatus" should allow Disney to charge more per race in the future, and keep the fans expectations of extras to a lower amount. And hopefully a more friendly city to work with, one that understands that TOT tax revenue is a good thing, and embraced, even with a rebate program for a very small slice of the amount collected for all Hotels.
 

FerretAfros

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And just like that, all of runDisney's west coast races are "on hiatus beginning in 2018." The careful wording makes me think that they'll reduce the number of weekends when/if they start back up, and it will be several years before that occurs. It will be interesting to see what happens once all the dust settles here

https://www.rundisney.com/blog/articles/run-disney/
We have heard from many of you over the past few months regarding registration for runDisney race weekends at Disneyland Resort. We greatly appreciate your loyalty and dedication to our runDisney race events and want to share the following update with you.

Given the level of construction to support the ongoing Disneyland Resort expansion, we have been working hard to determine how we can continue providing our West Coast participants with the best possible runDisney experience, which is designed around the ability to run throughout our resorts while enjoying entertainment offerings and characters.

After careful consideration and weighing all possibilities, we have made the very difficult decision to place all runDisney race weekends at Disneyland Resort on hiatus beginning in 2018. This includes the associated Coast to Coast Race Challenges.

Anyone who has registered for one of these races will be contacted directly by runDisney today by email and will receive a full refund for registration fees and for any commemorative items they may have purchased.

While news of this hiatus is sad to share, we are so thankful for the magic and memories you have helped create at our race weekends through the years. We look forward to hosting the upcoming Super Heroes Half Marathon Weekend at Disneyland Resort November 9-12, and we hope to see many of you there.

We encourage runners to continue to visit
runDisney.com for other race opportunities. A full schedule of races at Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Paris are currently still being offered, in addition to our virtual race series. Guests with questions can contact rundisney@disneysports.com.
 

Darkbeer1

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I agree with them not coming back in 2019, and maybe later.

Once the Galaxy Edge land is fully open and running, plus the new Eastern Gateway is finished and fully open, including the area on the West Side of Harbor to include basic demo of the closed area, Disney can re-look at this, and hopefully a city council and staff that will be happy to help bring back the races.

I also agree that a reduction of the amount per year will be less than the past.

My guess, WDW might look at the calendar, and add one event in Florida to cover a large gap.
 

Curious Constance

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And just like that, all of runDisney's west coast races are "on hiatus beginning in 2018." The careful wording makes me think that they'll reduce the number of weekends when/if they start back up, and it will be several years before that occurs. It will be interesting to see what happens once all the dust settles here

https://www.rundisney.com/blog/articles/run-disney/
We have heard from many of you over the past few months regarding registration for runDisney race weekends at Disneyland Resort. We greatly appreciate your loyalty and dedication to our runDisney race events and want to share the following update with you.

Given the level of construction to support the ongoing Disneyland Resort expansion, we have been working hard to determine how we can continue providing our West Coast participants with the best possible runDisney experience, which is designed around the ability to run throughout our resorts while enjoying entertainment offerings and characters.

After careful consideration and weighing all possibilities, we have made the very difficult decision to place all runDisney race weekends at Disneyland Resort on hiatus beginning in 2018. This includes the associated Coast to Coast Race Challenges.

Anyone who has registered for one of these races will be contacted directly by runDisney today by email and will receive a full refund for registration fees and for any commemorative items they may have purchased.

While news of this hiatus is sad to share, we are so thankful for the magic and memories you have helped create at our race weekends through the years. We look forward to hosting the upcoming Super Heroes Half Marathon Weekend at Disneyland Resort November 9-12, and we hope to see many of you there.

We encourage runners to continue to visit
runDisney.com for other race opportunities. A full schedule of races at Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Paris are currently still being offered, in addition to our virtual race series. Guests with questions can contact rundisney@disneysports.com.

Had you already registered for any of the events in 2018? Booked flights?
 

Darkbeer1

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OK, just read the OC Register article, and forgot about the 4th Hotel, which is going in the location of the Finish line, and has all the staging areas for the start of the race, so the return might be longer than a couple of years.

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/10/1...ing-in-2018-unclear-when-they-will-come-back/

>>"While construction for the next several years will impact our ability to deliver the runDisney experience our guests love, we are excited about our future as the Disneyland Resort continues one of its largest multi-year expansions,” said George Savvas, a Disneyland spokesman. <<

>The races bring in an estimated 25,000 people paying upwards of $195 to participate in a half marathon run. The races, usually held during off-peak seasons, are a boon to the local economy, generating $20 million to $30 million in revenue to Orange County, according to Disney.<<

>>An Anaheim spokesman said typically Disney gives the city three to four months advance notice before a race weekend. Disney needs permission from the city to arrange the closing of some freeway off ramps, streets and provide additional police. City staff said Disney had not filed for any permits.<<

>>Savvas said the Disney team had considered and weighed various possibilities to keep the runDisney events but ultimately, could not come up with a plan.<<
 

Darkbeer1

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And here is the political angle...

http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201710/5776/

>>A revamped Anaheim City Council has been more open to hearing community complaints about Disney in recent months and that might be in play here, too. The runDisney events generate tens of millions of dollars in revenue for Anaheim, thanks to permits to close streets and police overtime to secure the route, not to mention increased spending and tax revenue in the city. Unlike at Walt Disney World and Disneyland Paris, the Disneyland Resort is not large enough for runDisney to plot a course that remains entirely on Disney property, so the events extend onto Anaheim streets.

That Disney cited construction that hasn't started as preventing runDisney events from going forward is the tell. By cancelling the events, Disney is costing Anaheim a lot of money — money that Disney is telling the city it will not get back until Disney's construction projects move to completion. The longer that Anaheim delays in letting Disney proceed, the longer that Anaheim loses out on that runDisney event cash.<<
 

Practical Pig

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Thanks for posting these articles, Darkbeer. My interest isn't for myself, since I can't participate, but my husband is a legacy runner at DLR, has done one run at WDW, and recently travelled to France for the run at DLP. This is bumming him out. Still, I think Disney using this to turn the screws on getting the Eastern Gateway going is pretty smart.
 

Travel Junkie

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My guess is this has a lot to do with trying to hurt the city financially. The other factors like construction and no longer using volunteers thus lowering profit were nails in coffin.
 

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