Frozen Ever After vs Maelstrom

[mergatroid]

Why is Elsa even in her ice palace again? Wasn't she living in Arendelle again at the end of the first film?

Why is Ariel a mermaid in her ride, she had legs at the end of the film?
Why is Peter Pan doing the same things he did in his movie?
Why is Kylo Ren in Rise of the Resistance when we saw him killed?
Why in the Great Movie Ride was the scene from Casablanca showing them on the runway, that was in the past?
Why was Ripley from Alien in The Great Movie Ride, we saw her killed?
Why was Dorothy back in Oz in The Great Movie Ride, at the end of the movie she was home?
Why was Indiana Jones looking for the Ark in The Great Movie Ride, he found it at the end of the first movie?
Why are they filming Indiana Jones again everyday in the Studios, that movie was made decades ago?
How did they bring Darth Vader back from the dead to fight children in the Jedi Training Academy?

 

[Goofyernmost]

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I'm not sure you are liking Frozen better or not. People for Frozen will think the top half is wonderful, those against Frozen will line up with the lower half. So I'm not sure of the message you are trying to convey.

 

[Cadbury]

I'm not sure you are liking Frozen better or not. People for Frozen will think the top half is wonderful, those against Frozen will line up with the lower half. So I'm not sure of the message you are trying to convey.

I guess that one went over your head huh? I posted it as a joke. Thought that was pretty obvious...

 

[Goofyernmost]

I guess that one went over your head huh? I posted it as a joke. Thought that was pretty obvious...

Well, it must have gone over or that I cannot as of yet read minds. The response to that would depend on what view you like best. Since you didn't indicate, yes it went over my head. The contrast is obvious, but we already knew that so what was the obvious part of your message. Telling me it was a joke doesn't clarify the intent at all. What is the punch line? Was it Frozen was warmer, ironically or that Maelstrom was more exciting? BTW, I don't really need to know. I liked the top half better and that is all I have to know.

 

[Jrb1979]

So it's more personal taste that any massive upset based on some thought that every idea must be absolutely original to Walt and the Seven old men. Which is silly because they and particularly Walt used IP's constantly. Does anyone think that Peter Pan, Sleeping Beauty, Davy Crockett, Cinderella, Snow White, the characters in Splash Mtn. and particularly Mary Poppins was a Disney original creation? In fact isn't Frozen a Disney original, how can that be not part of a Disney basic and therefore incorporated in a theme park attraction seamlessly? Is there really any difference between a Disney built attraction that contains an idea from a paid Disney "cast member" or an idea obtained by someone paid by Disney for use of their idea? And where exactly is the line that defines what IP is acceptable since even ideas generated by a Disney employee is an IP.

In my mind, if we are going to allow ourselves to enjoy a visit to a Disney Park we have to accept that over the last decade or so, Disney has managed to "retire" just about all the high paid, highly creative Imagineers figuring that it is better to be paying others for their original ideas then to maintain a high paid, high benefits staff of creative people. The days of constant creations coming from those offices, which by now may be located in someone's two car garage, are gone and unless we figure out a way to stop thinking that any real quality ideas will be coming out of the Buildings in Burbank, we might as well just forget going because we are going to be constantly disappointed. Embrace what exists instead of lamenting what is no longer. That may make you to be considered a Disney apologist, but that really doesn't make any sense anyway, so remember that life is short and enjoy what exists or find another hobby.

To give you an idea on what I mean by non IP attractions. My favourites are Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain, Big Thunder, Jungle Cruise, and the original Epcot attractions.

Why should we accept whatever Disney gives us?

 

[Goofyernmost]

To give you an idea on what I mean by non IP attractions. My favourites are Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain, Big Thunder, Jungle Cruise, and the original Epcot attractions.

Why should we accept whatever Disney gives us?

Because we have to unless we are willing to not go there anymore. They control their own business and if they make mistakes severe enough to cause people to stop spending money with them, then, and only then will anything be back to normal. Whatever normal is. The world is a lot different then it was back when that stuff was done and the people that did them are mostly all dead now. It's like the question... How come we can put people on the moon but we can't cure the common cold? The fact of the matter is that we can no longer put people on the moon. It's a different world.

Not specifically talking about you, but sometimes I just get the feeling that fans will spend so much time mourning the way it used to be that they don't allow themselves the joy and advances of the things that are currently making up our parks.

 

[mergatroid]

Not specifically talking about you, but sometimes I just get the feeling that fans will spend so much time mourning the way it used to be that they don't allow themselves the joy and advances of the things that are currently making up our parks.

I completely agree. Right now we've got several big attractions being built following on from a huge investment in Galaxy's Edge and yet people are still demanding more or saying they don't like what's being done. I mean this is a discussion board and they're allowed to do that, but the idea Disney are going to only build stuff everyone on here wants and do so every other year is never going to happen.

Well, it must have gone over or that I cannot as of yet read minds. The response to that would depend on what view you like best. Since you didn't indicate, yes it went over my head. The contrast is obvious, but we already knew that so what was the obvious part of your message. Telling me it was a joke doesn't clarify the intent at all. What is the punch line? Was it Frozen was warmer, ironically or that Maelstrom was more exciting? BTW, I don't really need to know. I liked the top half better and that is all I have to know.

I think the 'joke' he was making was the person who started this thread and many more like it (Big Thunder Mountain vs Splash Mountain for example) always just posts 2 pictures in their opening posts and nothing else. I could be wrong though I believe their 'joke' was at the originator's expense and not directed towards you?

I should know as I'm the king of making jokes that nobody gets

 

[Goofyernmost]

I think the 'joke' he was making was the person who started this thread and many more like it (Big Thunder Mountain vs Splash Mountain for example) always just posts 2 pictures in their opening posts and nothing else. I could be wrong though I believe their 'joke' was at the originator's expense and not directed towards you?

I should know as I'm the king of making jokes that nobody gets

Although there is such a thing as subtle humor, puzzle humor is even worse. It's hard to look at that post and say.. boy, now there's a subtle joke. So subtle that I cannot even see a slight bit of humor in it. Yes, I can see the contrasting messages but if they are to a specific person then it is an inside joke and should have been labeled with something like this @mergatroid. Otherwise it is just a picture that the majority will see and not fully understand. Did you get the punch line in that post. I think I'm pretty good at humor if any exists. History might clear it up, but instead of a simple explanation I got an "over your head" put down instead.

Just for the sake of clarity I don't really care what it means one way or the other, I was just curious because I didn't get it and to this point I still don't. But after all these years and especially in our current time frame there are a lot of things I don't understand. I'll just add this to the list.

 

[Jrb1979]

Because we have to unless we are willing to not go there anymore. They control their own business and if they make mistakes severe enough to cause people to stop spending money with them, then, and only then will anything be back to normal. Whatever normal is. The world is a lot different then it was back when that stuff was done and the people that did them are mostly all dead now. It's like the question... How come we can put people on the moon but we can't cure the common cold? The fact of the matter is that we can no longer put people on the moon. It's a different world.

Not specifically talking about you, but sometimes I just get the feeling that fans will spend so much time mourning the way it used to be that they don't allow themselves the joy and advances of the things that are currently making up our parks.

My argument has always been that they focus too much on slapping IP on every new attraction. I would have loved to see them finish World Showcase with some of the original attractions instead of adding IP loosely based on some countries.

I completely agree. Right now we've got several big attractions being built following on from a huge investment in Galaxy's Edge and yet people are still demanding more or saying they don't like what's being done. I mean this is a discussion board and they're allowed to do that, but the idea Disney are going to only build stuff everyone on here wants and do so every other year is never going to happen.

I personally am not impressed with many of the new attractions being built. Guardians looks cool. It's not at WDW but the Spiderman ride at Disneyland is just a cheap IP overlay of Midway Mayhem.

 

[mergatroid]

Although there is such a thing as subtle humor, puzzle humor is even worse. It's hard to look at that post and say.. boy, now there's a subtle joke. So subtle that I cannot even see a slight bit of humor in it. Yes, I can see the contrasting messages but if they are to a specific person then it is an inside joke and should have been labeled with something like this @mergatroid. Otherwise it is just a picture that the majority will see and not fully understand. Did you get the punch line in that post. I think I'm pretty good at humor if any exists. History might clear it up, but instead of a simple explanation I got an "over your head" put down instead.

Just for the sake of clarity I don't really care what it means one way or the other, I was just curious because I didn't get it and to this point I still don't. But after all these years and especially in our current time frame there are a lot of things I don't understand. I'll just add this to the list.

I kind of smiled but managed not to wet myself. One of the funniest posts I've seen on here was when you posted about the waitress giving you the bill for the table nearby thinking they were with you and just ignoring you completely. Still chuckle when I think of you sat there thinking "What the ..........."

 

[Goofyernmost]

My argument has always been that they focus too much on slapping IP on every new attraction. I would have loved to see them finish World Showcase with some of the original attractions instead of adding IP loosely based on some countries.


I personally am not impressed with many of the new attractions being built. Guardians looks cool. It's not at WDW but the Spiderman ride at Disneyland is just a cheap IP overlay of Midway Mayhem.

Concerning the World Showcase additions... Adding new nations stopped years ago, but not for a lack of trying. They stopped because nations were not willing to spend the kind of money Disney demanded when the internet could do that for far and away less expense. Even if Disney decided to foot the bill, what country could they choose? Pick any random country and if Disney decided to build and promote that nation, how long would it take before other countries started to feel left out and want Disney to build one for them. So, it isn't going to ever happen and the best we can hope for is that they do scrape away the stale and put an IP in the existing Pavilions to draw in new people and bring some form of life back to WS. Without IP World Showcase would become a ghost town.

As for you not being impressed with the new attractions, that is a personal taste thing. I hate coasters so I will never be able to have the desire to go see Guardians, or Tron in MK for that matter. But, that doesn't mean that they aren't building for todays generations. Galaxy's Edge is an IP but contains the old imagination and attention to detail that everyone seemed to want. I think the area and the attraction within are beyond belief and I have only seen one Star Wars movie with my grandson (lost a bet with him) so not a huge fan of the franchise.

Wait 30 years or so, and perhaps tastes and demand will give a return to the things we all liked a lot. But I wouldn't count on it. It will be something completely different by then.

 

[Jrb1979]

Concerning the World Showcase additions... Adding new nations stopped years ago, but not for a lack of trying. They stopped because nations were not willing to spend the kind of money Disney demanded when the internet could do that for far and away less expense. Even if Disney decided to foot the bill, what country could they choose? Pick any random country and if Disney decided to build and promote that nation, how long would it take before other countries started to feel left out and want Disney to build one for them. So, it isn't going to ever happen and the best we can hope for is that they do scrape away the stale and put an IP in the existing Pavilions to draw in new people and bring some form of life back to WS. Without IP World Showcase would become a ghost town.

As for you not being impressed with the new attractions, that is a personal taste thing. I hate coasters so I will never be able to have the desire to go see Guardians, or Tron in MK for that matter. But, that doesn't mean that they aren't building for todays generations. Galaxy's Edge is an IP but contains the old imagination and attention to detail that everyone seemed to want. I think the area and the attraction within are beyond belief and I have only seen one Star Wars movie with my grandson (lost a bet with him) so not a huge fan of the franchise.

Wait 30 years or so, and perhaps tastes and demand will give a return to the things we all liked a lot. But I wouldn't count on it. It will be something completely different by then.

I'm not saying to add new nations. Finish the attractions that were planned for the ones that are there. Would love to see the Rhine River boat cruis finished in Germany and the Mt. Fuji coaster in Japan.

 

[Goofyernmost]

I'm not saying to add new nations. Finish the attractions that were planned for the ones that are there. Would love to see the Rhine River boat cruis finished in Germany and the Mt. Fuji coaster in Japan.

Same reason, without outside support they are not as likely to spend that kind of money constantly to promote a nation that may not be paying anything to maintain it. That is why they are taking existing attractions (rides) and tweaking them to put in an IP. Building completely from scratch is not an everyday thing with Disney.

 

[FettFan]

I hate FEA and it is everything I hate about what they have done to IPCOT. They have ruined the park starting with this trash. Same can be said for the Rat ride in the France pavilion. EPCOT was once a great park. Now it's a year round food festival with some IP in it.

I disagree on one major point: Ratatouille actually takes place in Paris, France.

Frozen is in a fictional fairytale land that is loosely based on Scandinavia, and putting it in the Norway Pavilion is like putting the Mos Eisley Cantina in Morocco.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I disagree on one major point: Ratatouille actually takes place in Paris, France.

Frozen is in a fictional fairytale land that is loosely based on Scandinavia, and putting it in the Norway Pavilion is like putting the Mos Eisley Cantina in Morocco.

A lightbulb goes off in Chapek's head... coming soon to World Showcase, Mos Eisley, soon to be remembered as the cheapest, most hackjob retheme in Disney theme park history.

 

[MorphinePrince]

Maelstrom was a classic ride and I miss it dearly; can't believe it's been gone nearly seven years. I enjoy Frozen Ever After up until the Elsa sends us away from her palace. From there you can literally see the where they were singing "Let it Go" with the budget.

 

[doctornick]

I seem to recall teenagers complaining the most, in the admittedly small sampling of people I knew.

They had the same complaint about the early years of Disney-MGM Studios as well. Too much learning, not enough fun!

My high school went to Universal Studios instead pre-Hollywood Blvd Disney/MGM on our "Disney" senior class trip because kids seemed to prefer Uni as having more to do. I can't say it was a wrong interpretation.

Edit: To bring it back to this thread, though, Maelstrom was a very popular attraction among the crowd. Probably mostly for the adolescent boys due to the beautiful Norwegian women who staffed the ride.

 

[Inspired Figment]

Just like many of the other classic EPCOT attractions. (In particular.. Horizons & Journey Into Imagination) The ‘real’ problem was a lack of promotion, exposure, & marketing support for these attractions.
If they’d done more to advertise, market, and produce more merchandise for them. They would’ve done better and would probably still be around today. And to update each attraction, they’d add new tech, spfx enhancements, and more (or possibly even cut) originally planned content due to budget & tech constraints at the time they were built, if need be ( like updating the Spirit of Norway film)

The biggest example of this problem being the ‘real’ reasoning for the closure of Journey Into Imagination (it’s not the BS “Kodak” reason you hear repeated over & over)… they had something a little more “sinister” done with it… ‘Disney’ was the one who intentionally put less focus on signage, info, & advertising for it along with queue ropes going towards the ‘Honey I Shrunk the Audience’ film next door rather than flowing to the Imagination ride as it did originally. Not to mention, they also started putting more restrictions on the corporate sponsorship model.

This artificially dropped attendance along with intentional lessening on marketing & exposure would give Disney & Kodak’s upper management it’s “proof” that Journey Into Imagination & the ImageWorks had “lost popularity” and that a Honey I Shrunk/Medfield College IP retheme (Journey Into YOUR Imagination) was the way to go if it was going to be updated. (Despite the fact Figment merchandise still sold millions) Add that along with late Eisner/Pressler’s cost cutting initiatives that went on in theme park spending… and you’ll see why they really changed it the way they did…

 

[Inspired Figment]

In actuality, the ‘real’ reason why Figment was kept in the very tiny role he was in JIYI. Was due to the fact, that before it opened and further word got around they were closing it and replacing it with a Honey, I Shrunk/Medfield College institute themed ride. They got some pressure/complaints from fans & other guests, along with the merchandising people. So he was slapped in basically at the last minute.. and when people saw just how small of a role he had and how drastically altered the ride really was… well, you all know that story.

Then, as a fix, they made it a ride that subtly mocked those fans & complaints (basically the Enchanted Tiki Room: Under New Management with the roles reversed. Make the fans the nuisance rather than management. Notice the signage with the crude painting outside is the same.. ) (by portraying Figment as a constant interference who makes a big stink to stop the institute tour & get Channing to understand that he & his friends’ “upside down” / free thinking way is finally the right way of thinking as a compromise (“If you can’t beat him, join him”), rather than just restoring the ride the way it was originally with the needed updates it ‘should’ve’ received to begin with instead of needlessly screwed it up with all the uninspired film IP garbage. Very upsetting. ;

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[FettFan]

A lightbulb goes off in Chapek's head... coming soon to World Showcase, Mos Eisley, soon to be remembered as the cheapest, most hackjob retheme in Disney theme park history.

He’ll also steal a page from Universal by putting in a “Galaxy Cruiser” Peoplemover that runs from Morocco to Galaxy’s Edge.
The interior “windows” will show that you’re lifting off from Tatooine, hopping into hyperspace, and then landing on Batu.