TalkingHead
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gonna be funny in about seven-eight years when people come out of the woodwork to complain that PATF is also culturally insensitive
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MK Frontierland Shootin' arcade to close and replaced with DVC Member lounge
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ToTBellHop
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Build rides based upon original ideas. Done.
Brian
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That's the trouble with Disney trying to keep up with cultural sensibilities. It's impossible to keep up.
As the wise Uncle Remus once said: "You can't run away from trouble, there 'aint no place that far."
WorldExplorer
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That's already been happening; apparently they can't reference her in frog form anymore. Note that they were trying very hard to be sensitive when they made that movie and did in fact change things in the concept stage people didn't like, so it's safe to say they were listening and no one said anything.
Like how Splash Mountain got NAACP approval but now it can't even be mentioned.
These people are delusional to think they just managed to show up right at the moment where the sensitivity march stopped and NOW they got it right and no one will ever complain about them. But I guess when you're not an artist, just someone who judges other people, it doesn't matter.
(People were already saying the whole salt mine thing is insensitive. Disney just decided not to care about that one.)
el_super
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The lounge just seems like lucky happenstance, since the Shooting Arcade needs to go away anyway. It would be a shame to just close it and leave the space empty, and to be honest, a DVC lounge might actually eat up more people capacity wise than the shooting arcade.
Their time has past. There was a grand shooting arcade over at Knott's Berry Farm for years and years. Celebrated as the first electronic arcade (Disneyland's originally used BB's if I remember right) and far bigger than anything Disneyland ever had. A few years back they replaced it with a Panda Express.
That Disney's have held out as long as they have is just a sign of their struggling bureaucracy, not a need to maintain their tradition.
TalkingHead
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Original ideas would be subjected to the same ridiculous kind of scrutiny by the same people. Moot point anyway, non-IP builds are never coming back.
Until someone finds something in those rides offensive. See: Pirates. Haunted Mansion. Original ideas, but then they'll get changed. If seeing a corpse above your head bothers someone, don't look up. But Bob doesn't like original ideas, he only likes movie IP and franchises. Getting that intellectual rot out of the company is going to take years.
Nothing in HM bothers me. Nothing in Splash bothered me. Nothing in Pirates bothered me. The shooting gallery doesn't bother me. Because I'm intelligent enough to know that these are all made-up and not real-life. My kids are intelligent enough to know that these are all made-up and not real-life. Instead of being offended at the presentation of things and demanding things that "offend them" be removed, people should use them as a learning tool and as an example of how far we've come.
TalkingHead
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Apropos: “The truth is these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.”
el_super
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People who think seriously on these issues do not think it will ever be 100% right. It's always a work in progress. There are always adjustments to be made and new points to consider.
In this case I don't think it's a stretch to think a concept from the 1950s should have some 1990s sensibilities applies to it. It's probably about 30 years late already.
Surferboy567
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It really is a shame that everything is perceived by the masses to be offensive. In splash’s case we are grown adults (I assume) talking about how a cartoon bunny, fox, and bear with a deep southern accent is “problematic”.
How pirates apparently weren’t “bad” people and did bad things to innocent people including woman and children.
How the American west is a part of our culture and shouldn’t be swept away.
As you said lots of lessons can be learned from this. Time marches on and along with that progress.
That being said though, it is what it is and I hope they are able to reimagine (in splash’s case) into a worthy successor. What’s done is done.
EDIT: I also want to be clear, just because I posted Brayden’s tweet doesn’t mean I believe it. I just wanted to post it here because he has gotten a few things right.
doctornick
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No one has. Well, very few people. I would image that the vast vast majority (like 99%) of guests to MK don't even know Pecos Bill is anything more than just the name on the restaurant.
It is quite a bit smaller than that, and the overall footprint of the space will not be enlarged.
WorldExplorer
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That's why I added the little bit about how these people aren't artists and so don't care.
Splash opened in 89/92.
el_super
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They care about making people happy. Same deal.
Ouch. That is not going to be a lot of space. Maybe half of what was shown in the post you quoted? And obviously not all of that will be lounge space, there would need to be some backstage stuff for staff and facilities.
So what's your guess on how much the ILL to get into the DVC lounge will go for? $20 per person? $25? $35? Maybe $50 or more on holiday weeks?
WorldExplorer
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Definitely could have fooled me.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Our dues will probably go up if we want that extra blue card to use the Lounge- line a mini Club 33. Pay to play (with the coke machine) lolOuch. That is not going to be a lot of space. Maybe half of what was shown in the post you quoted? And obviously not all of that will be lounge space, there would need to be some backstage stuff for staff and facilities.
So what's your guess on how much the ILL to get into the DVC lounge will go for? $20 per person? $25? $35? Maybe $50 or more on holiday weeks?
One day we will see an attraction there again, it is prime real estate. Think it is long past time.
bmr1591
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If y'all hadn't told me, I would have just thought it was a themed restaurant.