Incomudro
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Correct.
That's the argument of inevitability: "People will do whatever they will do, so why bother?"
It's a weak argument.
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That's the argument of inevitability: "People will do whatever they will do, so why bother?"
It's a weak argument.
It's pretty sad that a parent suffering with the loss of a child has to use a disclaimer like that these days because of the self-righteous attitudes of internet trolls.
Very sorry for your loss.
G00fyDad
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Nemo14
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You beat me to it, but my sentiments exactly!It's pretty sad that a parent suffering with the loss of a child has to use a disclaimer like that these days because of the self-righteous attitudes of internet trolls.
Very sorry for your loss.
Lucky
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Thanks for this - it's worth quoting more from this story...
Grand Floridian custodian Mike Hamilton was so concerned by alligators occasionally swimming up close to the shore of Walt Disney World's Seven Seas Lagoon, he said he warned managers they should fence off the area. "There are signs that say, 'No swimming,' but no signs that say gators and everything else in this lake," he said.
Alfred Smith of Charleston, S.C., said he alerted a Grand Floridian employee Tuesday night after seeing a gator in the lagoon. He thinks it's the same one that attacked the boy less an hour later.
One employee at the Disney property who did not want to be identified said in an email "there is such a problem on property with guests feeding the alligators thinking it's cool." Visitors at Buena Vista Palace regularly feed two of them from the balconies, he said.
Club Cooloholic
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A really good point of view from a parent who was actually staying there at the time in the link below. And she is absolutly right, if Disney is going to have Movie Nights and lounge chairs on the beaches they should be making sure the areas are constantly checked to make sure there is no dangers present. With the amount the resorts cost, maybe having more spotters patroling the coastline and waters is needed, and reasonable.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/could-us-parents-recount-spotting-130006804.html
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/could-us-parents-recount-spotting-130006804.html
I was exaggerating for effect. I live in Florida, I am cautious out in "nature", always looking for snakes and alligators and other scary things. At an immaculately groomed luxury beach resort at Disney World with a princess castle in the background? I cannot recall ever feeling like my kids may eaten by a wild animal at any moment in those kind of surroundings!
G00fyDad
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It's pretty sad that a parent suffering with the loss of a child has to use a disclaimer like that these days because of the self-righteous attitudes of internet trolls.
Very sorry for your loss.
NOT ONCE did I EVER day that it was the parents fault here. It would help if people actually read the posts instead of skimming them and jumping to conclusions.
As a matter of fact I mentioned in a previous post of mine that this father did everything he could to protect this child and that it was NOT his fault.
Lucky
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I don't think most of them are even parents.
ElvisMickey
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Aside from the fact that I was in Seven Seas Lagoon and River Country quite often as a child of the 80s, these days, you don't need to tell me twice to stay out regardless of what's on the sign. The only water I'm going in is the swimming pool or I'm hitting the water parks. I'm not a fan of lakes, oceans, lagoons...whatever...where there's the potential for fish to swim up my shorts, let alone, more dangerous things lurking in these bodies of water. I realize the fact that living in NJ almost all my life close to the Jersey shore and now living in Central FL, I am missing out on things that many people consider fun like paddle boarding, snorkeling, etc. But hey, we like what we like. With that being said, obviously many of people love to do these things and I can see how for those that feel a desire to even dip a toe in the Seven Seas Lagoon, the "No Swimming" sign isn't fully disclosing the dangers you can be potentially subjecting yourself to.
Baltar
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This has been explained numerous times by the FWC. Disney is permitted to remove them. They don't have to call anybody in to do it.
ford91exploder
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I have the same presumption. However, many in this thread believe the parents should have expected a gator attack to happen.
It's Florida for crying out loud a gator is probably in every body of water EXCEPT a swimming pool, But Marketing did not want to 'scare' people so they stuck with a plain 'No Swimming' sign, Yet at Shades of Green where the clientele is generally known for their courage there are signs warning against the Gators.
Rescue Ranger
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Why is everyone continuing to talk about the "water"???
This kid, like many who do this daily, could have just as easily been on the beach playing in the sand and the Alligator could have come up from the water onto land. Alligators are not fish.
At the same time, an Alligator could also come right out of the lagoon and take a dip in one of the swimming pools during the night if it wanted. This is not restricted to only an incident than can occur inside the Seven Seas Lagoon. Which in these cases, a sign wouldn't have prevented anything.
I believe the only preventative thing they can do is one of 3 options:
1: Clear the lagoon and filter it like, say, Disney Springs(not likely)
2. Remove all beaches(hopefully not)
3. Create some sort of low lying barrier along the water edges that access low lying guest areas, such as beaches, along with adding some harmful wildlife signage similar to the golf course(more likely)
Not sure what else they could really do.
This kid, like many who do this daily, could have just as easily been on the beach playing in the sand and the Alligator could have come up from the water onto land. Alligators are not fish.
At the same time, an Alligator could also come right out of the lagoon and take a dip in one of the swimming pools during the night if it wanted. This is not restricted to only an incident than can occur inside the Seven Seas Lagoon. Which in these cases, a sign wouldn't have prevented anything.
I believe the only preventative thing they can do is one of 3 options:
1: Clear the lagoon and filter it like, say, Disney Springs(not likely)
2. Remove all beaches(hopefully not)
3. Create some sort of low lying barrier along the water edges that access low lying guest areas, such as beaches, along with adding some harmful wildlife signage similar to the golf course(more likely)
Not sure what else they could really do.
ElvisMickey
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I agree with this completely. A gator on the sign may have been bad for business.
I agree the immaculately groomed luxury beaches look inviting and safe... but if you ever look at the water I don't know how you could ever think it was safe or inviting... for years the water in SSL has reminded me more of a semi stagnant pond than an inviting place to wade, swim or even go near.
ford91exploder
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Trouble is in the legalistic climate in the US people tend to parse signs like that, Well I can't swim but that means wading is OK,
ford91exploder
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The only way I'd go in that water is in a drysuit with a helmet. It's rather unappealing
21stamps
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I'm still as mind boggled as yesterday.
Because to me parenting has nothing to do with this story at all.
The Cincinnati Zoo- parenting mistake.
WDW alligator- freak occurrence.
I think this could have happened to any Florida resident as well. I don't think most people, regardless of being from a part of the country with gators or not, would be scared of the shoreline of Seven Seas Lagoon at 9pm.
PhotoDave219
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And they do. Constantly.
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