Forbidden Mtn ride & queue

[pheneix]

>>>Then we see all of the "older", more experienced people say how well Disney has done with story and theme, and how much they appreciate it.<<<

Then of course there is this "older", more experienced person that points out how well Universal has done with story and theme, only to have it all fall on deaf ears because "Universal is only good for thrill rides."

That's mostly why I've been silent the past couple of weeks, except for yesterday when I assed up and started an argument with DisneyInsider over a themed construction wall. Yes, that was outrageously petty and should not have been started, but it did, which is why I brought it up.

P.S. I won't call anyone "crazy" for thinking MGM is better themed than Universal Studios Florida, but to have such an opinion clearly shows a bias against Universal. From the park's layout, theming, sets, and soundstages to the overall attraction selection in the park, USF is clearly a better concieved, planned, and executed park. The only two bragging rights that MGM really has going for it right now is the "MONSTER" E-ticket they have in the Tower of Terror and the roller coaster for white knuckle crowd with RnRC. However, those two bragging rights will be gone by April of next year.

 

[Main Street USA]

Originally posted by pheneix
I won't call anyone "crazy" for thinking MGM is better themed than Universal Studios Florida, but to have such an opinion clearly shows a bias against Universal.

Everyone here knows that you and I could carry this thread into next year all by ourselves, so let's not. However, your quote here basically condradicts itself. What you're saying is this:

"I won't call anyone crazy, but they'll still be wrong."

Once again, in a classic pheneix post, stating opinion as fact.

Everyone has their own opinion of who does what better. That's one thing we can all agree on, right? Ok, well, then lets leave our opinions as just that, opinions, and stop jumping down each others throat for thinking differently.

Pheneix, your bias is towards Universal, that's clear, and I prefer Disney, which is clear. However, neither one of us is going to change anyone else's mind by typing something that will uncover new horizons or amaze anyone.

ok?

ok.

 

[GoofyMike29]

sometimes opinions are flat out wrong

just kidding

 

[AndyMagic]

Originally posted by pheneix
>>>Then we see all of the "older", more experienced people say how well Disney has done with story and theme, and how much they appreciate it.<<<

Then of course there is this "older", more experienced person that points out how well Universal has done with story and theme, only to have it all fall on deaf ears because "Universal is only good for thrill rides."

That's mostly why I've been silent the past couple of weeks, except for yesterday when I assed up and started an argument with DisneyInsider over a themed construction wall. Yes, that was outrageously petty and should not have been started, but it did, which is why I brought it up.

P.S. I won't call anyone "crazy" for thinking MGM is better themed than Universal Studios Florida, but to have such an opinion clearly shows a bias against Universal. From the park's layout, theming, sets, and soundstages to the overall attraction selection in the park, USF is clearly a better concieved, planned, and executed park. The only two bragging rights that MGM really has going for it right now is the "MONSTER" E-ticket they have in the Tower of Terror and the roller coaster for white knuckle crowd with RnRC. However, those two bragging rights will be gone by April of next year.

I couldn't agree more with your comparison of MGM to USF. MGM's only truly impressive attraction is TOT. RNRC is great fun but really is just a tame indoor coaster with a good theme. Everything else at MGM is practically as old as the park! Star Tours just SCREAMS 80's.. Great Movie Ride, was once impressive but is now much too long and corny... Indiana Jones Stunt Show has stayed the same since 1989....and don't even get me started on the backlot tour... "And coming up on your left is the establishing shot for the Golden Girls!" lol. USF has SOOO many truly impressive jaw dropping rides. ET is better than half of Disney's other family dark rides and puts Peter Pan to shame... Twister is one of the most impressive special effects shows in the world... T2: 3D is without a doubt THE best 3-D attraction (I'm still waiting for Philharmagic) ... Back to the Future is aging well and still impresses me... I wish I could say the same for the stale Body Wars. Men In Black: Alien Attack alone is a massive recent (2000) E-ticket that would cause Disney to not add a new ride for a decade... but USF is getting one of their most ambitious rides next year... THE MUMMY! Add that to Shrek 4-D (June, 2003) and Jimmy Neutron (April, 2003) and you get a park with so many quality attractions that it even borders on the Magic Kingdom. I'm done with my rant now.

 

[Main Street USA]

Originally posted by GoofyMike29
sometimes opinions are flat out wrong

just kidding

good one

 

[JasonCajun]

Disney is greater than Universal in so many aspects, but I will say this. Universal is spending lots of money on their parks while Disney is cutting costs. This worries me. It also worries me that Disney is no longer appealing to the youngsters. Even Disney's thrill rides are realtively tame. Themed immaculately yes, but they are tame and very few.

 

[kennyj29]

Parks

I love Disney, nothing in my eyes could ever beat the "feeling". I took my mother down to Florida last September and we were staying with family. I told her to pick any park and she chose Universal Studios. We spent the day there and had a very nice time but when we got back home she told me she was sorry she went there. "It just isn't Disney" was her statement. Disney is Disney, you can't beat it, you can't compare it with any other park. I love the theming at IOA and Universal. It's really great!!! My family and I went to IOA for the first time in December 2001. It was the best!!! We had the park to ourselves and we just thought the whole place was super!!! We went down this year and the kids said to me, Let's just stay at Disney this time. No matter how good another place is, Disney is our second home!!!!

:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

 

[JeepGuy77]

"i mean you can she the wood behind the backlot sets on the street. "

I think thats on purpose to show that it is a movie set. Just like when you enter star tours, it begins as a set but as u get further in the queue, you feel as if you are in a movie. THATS the theme of the theme of the park.

 

[Rider]

Can't we agree to disagree?

If Disney really wanted to, they could best IOA 1000 times over. Heck, they could best TDS 1000 times over as well.

But Disney isn't putting forth the effort. I've been to DCA and I have seen pictures of DSP, and I must say... MGM bests them 1000 times over.

IOA is amazing for what it is... a heavly themed park not build by Disney. It may offer more thrill rides, but that was their choice. I see more young people at IOA than Disney. They picked a market and went for it. Forgetting Disney, can you show me a better themed park than IOA?

Now... to get back on topic. FM is only rumor, so we dont know what it will be like. DD has the best Q I have ever been in (yes, there is a bit of a story, but not much). It may be long, but take some time to look at all the detail they put in: frozen horses, chared knights, skulls, bones, etc.

So... in closing... I don't know how FM's Q will look like next to DD's Q.

 

[hallowboy11]

Originally posted by pheneix
>>>The only two bragging rights that MGM really has going for it right now is the "MONSTER" E-ticket they have in the Tower of Terror and the roller coaster for white knuckle crowd with RnRC. However, those two bragging rights will be gone by April of next year.

Okay, maybe I'm behind here, but what's coming up by April of next year?? At that point EPCOT will have Mission: Space and USF will have Shrek 4D. Does that really change anything?

 

[agdbeanie]

Re: Parks

Originally posted by kennyj29
Disney is Disney, you can't beat it, you can't compare it with any other park. ...No matter how good another place is, Disney is our second home!!!!

True and same here. Period.

 

[Moustronaut]

Originally posted by Main Street USA
I seriously doubt even Disney will ever top TOT's theming.

Thread drift...

But Indian Jones and Temple of the Crystal Skull at Tokyo Disney Sea is just amazing and give TOT a run for its money. Doesn't have the same cast member interaction that TOT does, but it's very detailed and very very spooky. Does a perfect job of capturing the Indiana Jones feel of decending into a dark and creepy ancient native temple.

And very PG-13 too I might add.

 

[goofyfan13]

Originally posted by hallowboy11
Okay, maybe I'm behind here, but what's coming up by April of next year?? At that point EPCOT will have Mission: Space and USF will have Shrek 4D. Does that really change anything?

I agree totally! From what we have been hearing about M:S, the ride will most likely beat Universal technology-wise and thrill-wise, and still no ride anywhere compares to ToT. So if anyone could tell me what Universal is doing besides Shrek 4-D that is supposed to destroy MGM's bragging rights please tell me, because as far as I'm concerned ToT is still one of the best thrill rides anywhere!

Justin, you do realize that you are supposed to see the wood behind the houses on the backlot tour, right? That's the whole purpose of it, to show you that they are movie props and not real houses, they even tell you that they are. During my recent visit to IOA, I noticed that one of the huge doors at the front of Poseidons Fury was falling apart, no it wasn't themed because it made the door look like styrofoam. Even my dad, (who is in the building industry) said it make the door look completly fake and like it is built of cheap material.

Main Street USA, I am offended that you say all of the teens on here defend Universal. I am a teen and I think that Disney is leaps and bounds better than Universal. (But I understand what your talking about though! :lol: )

To say though that I am biased towards Disney is totally wrong, because, yes I love Disney, BUT I love thrill rides. Cedar Point in Sandusky, Ohio is probobly in close running with MGM for my favorite park. Cedar Point in case you've never heard of it is all roller coasters, 16 of them. Anyway, I gave Universal, and IOA a chance and really didn't care for it. But Spider-man is awesome though! Just my two cents.

 

[Bryy2001]

I think what they mean by MGM two E-tickets rides will be nothing by April 2004 is that Shrek 4-D will be finished Summer 2003 and they may have the new Mummy Coaster up and running by that time too but let me remind whomever posted that thread that, USF still has very few rides and is very expensive for what they have there. Jaws is old and outdated, it wasn't anything great when it opened either, same with Back to the Future. There simply isn't enough to do there even with the additions of Shrek and Mummy coaster it still isn't worth the entrance fee, and MGM certainly is.

 

[Testtrack321]

Originally posted by Justin St
You people can never give credit to where credit is do. The dueling dragons are incredibly themed, and they do have a storyline maybe you should watch the stained glass video at the beginning. Universal attractions are as well themed if not more themed as Disney attraction, and especially better thenmk attractions. So please don't kid yourself and learn to give other companys credit besides the all powerful disney.

I'm not blind nor do I not give credit, but a movie in the que shouldn't be the main form of a stoy in a ride.

Also, Mummy WON'T be finnished by Summer 2003. There hasn't even been an annoucement yet. And I'd hardly call Shrek 4D a run for ToT money.

 

[Testtrack321]

Originally posted by pheneix

P.S. I won't call anyone "crazy" for thinking MGM is better themed than Universal Studios Florida, but to have such an opinion clearly shows a bias against Universal. From the park's layout, theming, sets, and soundstages to the overall attraction selection in the park, USF is clearly a better concieved, planned, and executed park. The only two bragging rights that MGM really has going for it right now is the "MONSTER" E-ticket they have in the Tower of Terror and the roller coaster for white knuckle crowd with RnRC. However, those two bragging rights will be gone by April of next year.

Man, twice double posting, SHAME ON ME!

Now for the USF is better conceived than MGM debate. I would like you to explain why most USF rides break down constantly. How come they can't hadel crowds well except for a now disfunt attraction, Alferd Hitchcock? I'd also argue against it since their nightly fireworks/water show is done on a long lagoon that dosn't provide anyone the opertunity to see the whole show. I also don't see the 'bragging rights' for attractions such as Jaws wich is old and outdated, ET which breaks down constantly, BttF which also has crowed controll problems, and their kids area which has an outdated Dinosaur singing songs along with a character mini-park that no kid even heard of.

Every Universal kids attraction that they have created is either slow, breaks constantly, has low capacity, and/or never opened. Sylvester McBean, Petrydon Flyers, Unicorn Coaster, Cat in the Hat, those all fit one or more of the top descriptions.

 

[Justin St]

I'm sorry for calling you crazy. I really do love both companys and I just wish that people would be more positive toward Universal, because they are just like a young Disney making creative attraction just like Walt Disney did when he was still alive. I really don't think Disney needs 10 roller coasters, but they have really let me down with attraction that have opened recently. I like what Disney does with their parades and nighttime spectaculars, and wish Universal would adapt this. Please don't think that i'm a dump teenager who loves Universal for their thrills. The only reasonwhy I go to Theme Parks is because the overall experience.

 

[pheneix]

A lot of what is posted here is opinions, and as it has already been stated, that's cool, and nothing will change that. However, two things did jump out at me here:

>>>So if anyone could tell me what Universal is doing besides Shrek 4-D that is supposed to destroy MGM's bragging rights please tell me<<<

It's called The Mummy, and by all accounts it will be the attraction that defines this decade of the theme park industry much like Spiderman did for the 90's.

>>>Every Universal kids attraction that they have created is either slow, breaks constantly, has low capacity, and/or never opened. Sylvester McBean, Petrydon Flyers, Unicorn Coaster, Cat in the Hat, those all fit one or more of the top descriptions.<<<

Well, since no attraction you mentioned has a "slow" pacing, breaks down constantly (the "constant breakdown" drum you keep beating on has not been a problem for nearly a decade now), or has a capacity lower than any "kiddie" Disney attraction, I struggle to see how it is a problem.

BTW, since we are talking about an attraction at IOA that never opened, dare I bring up the Rocket Rods fiasco? Rocket Rods did not even have the "unknown" aurora of excitement that goes along with Sylvester McBean, as the ride only needed one good summer to prove that it sucked before it went down for the count.

 

[Bryy2001]

Hey, Pheneix
Just to let you know, yes Universal is opening Shrek 4-D and The Mummy Coaster, but I have to disprove your, "The Mummy will revolutionize theme park rides and be the defining attraction of the decade" statement. I guarantee you that Disney's Mission: Space will win Attraction of the Year fior 2003, Spiderman, while an amazing attraction no doubt, will be one-uped by MS. Mission Space will be the attraction that technologically bests probably anything else that has been built. And mark my words if the Mummy coaster opens in the same year as Disney's Forbidden Mountain, Forbidden Mountain will take home Attraction of the Year for that year as well. Early speculation had The Mummy coaster as an extensively themed, highly intense indoor roller coaster, but since then, you would be amazed to find out how much they are scaling back that attraction interms of theming and special effects, I doubt if it will look much different than Rock n Roller coaster when all things are said and done.

 

[AndyMagic]

Originally posted by Bryy2001
Hey, Pheneix
Just to let you know, yes Universal is opening Shrek 4-D and The Mummy Coaster, but I have to disprove your, "The Mummy will revolutionize theme park rides and be the defining attraction of the decade" statement. I guarantee you that Disney's Mission: Space will win Attraction of the Year fior 2003, Spiderman, while an amazing attraction no doubt, will be one-uped by MS. Mission Space will be the attraction that technologically bests probably anything else that has been built. And mark my words if the Mummy coaster opens in the same year as Disney's Forbidden Mountain, Forbidden Mountain will take home Attraction of the Year for that year as well. Early speculation had The Mummy coaster as an extensively themed, highly intense indoor roller coaster, but since then, you would be amazed to find out how much they are scaling back that attraction interms of theming and special effects, I doubt if it will look much different than Rock n Roller coaster when all things are said and done.

This is SO ridiculous. First of all... The Mummy coaster is opening in 2004 and Forbidden Mountain will most likely open in 2006 or MAYBE late 2005 so forget about them going up against eachother for best attraction. Also, where are you coming up with this information on The Mummy being scaled back?? The one thing that we can't even debate about... it that Universal is certainly spending much more money on their parks than Disney is right now. Let's hope that Forbidden Mountain is announced soon because other than Mission: Space, there isn't anything to be too excited about.