FastPass+ open to all guests including offsite beginning next week at Disney's Animal Kingdom

John

Well-Known Member
I just cant understand why now? Why next week? Leading up to one of the busiest times of the year and you roll this out? Seems to me this is a train out of control going down the track. With the entitlement attitude of most guest this isn't going to go well. You couldn't pay me enough to be a guest relations CM.
 

JohnD

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Don't forget, when a wait time says 70 minutes, it is just as likely that it really means 25 minutes as it is that it means 130 minutes.

I am getting sick and tired of the Flick System to provide wait times. The wait times posted for almost every attraction is 100% wrong since it is providing a wait time for the person that just got on the ride.

It will continue to be much more wrong than ever right until WDW severely cuts down on FP distribution or kills Fastpass altogether so they can go back to judging wait times by line length. Judging it by a person's wait that just finished their wait is just flat out stupid.

Understood. But you don't know my Mom. Any wait time posted pretty much nips it in the bud. I'll just have to make FP+ reservations and convince her that is the better course of action.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
Can't you use the website?
As currently announced, offsite guests visiting DAK will be able to access FP+ only via the kiosks.

"Non-resort guests will not be able to make FastPass+ reservations ahead of time, or using My Disney Experience. Mirroring the functionality provided by FASTPASS, offsite guests will need to visit a FastPass+ kiosk to make the reservations on the day they visit. MagicBands will not be available for non-resort guests. Instead, they will use their RFID enabled ticket media to access the FastPass+ kiosks and touch sensors."

Since the kiosks require stepping through a series of screens to make FP+ selections, they are considerably more time-consuming to use than the old FP stations.

Since there appears to be fewer FP+ kiosks than FP stations, it seems distinctly possible that lines for FP+ kiosks might become longer than some attractions themselves.

I cannot understand why Disney wants to test this during Christmas week.
 

JohnD

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Wasn't all of this true before FP+ too? Soarin had 60 min+ lines before FP+. If you pulled a FP from the machine once you got there you had to return at a specific time (say between 1pm and 2Pm). In that case you couldn't choose the time, you had to return at whatever the return time happened to be. With FP+ you won't need to rush to Soarin at all (unlike when you had to go there to pull your FP). You can make the reservation for late afternoon (say 4 to 5Pm) and your mom would have all morning and afternoon to browse leisurely around but dad still gets his ride guaranteed. In this one limited case I would say your experience may actually be improved by FP+ (Assuming you are staying on property and can book in advance). Now if you want Test Track and Dad wants Soarin then you got a problem;)

I understand. But a reservation from my Mom's POV (she's 73) means pulling yourself away from whatever else you were doing to make the FP+ time. Granted you have a full hour, but trust me, my mother doesn't understand any of this. In her mind, we have to stop what we're doing to meet a reservation, hence we are "rushed."
 

Bolt

Well-Known Member
As currently announced, offsite guests visiting DAK will be able to access FP+ only via the kiosks.

"Non-resort guests will not be able to make FastPass+ reservations ahead of time, or using My Disney Experience. Mirroring the functionality provided by FASTPASS, offsite guests will need to visit a FastPass+ kiosk to make the reservations on the day they visit. MagicBands will not be available for non-resort guests. Instead, they will use their RFID enabled ticket media to access the FastPass+ kiosks and touch sensors."

Since the kiosks require stepping through a series of screens to make FP+ selections, they are considerably more time-consuming to use than the old FP stations.

Since there appears to be fewer FP+ kiosks than FP stations, it seems distinctly possible that lines for FP+ kiosks might become longer than some attractions themselves.

I cannot understand why Disney wants to test this during Christmas week.
The FP+ system works itself, it's no better time to test the capacity then in their busy season. Disney grew some balls on this one. And to be fair, DAK is busy during the holidays, but never THAT busy.
 

Bolt

Well-Known Member
I understand. But a reservation from my Mom's POV (she's 73) means pulling yourself away from whatever else you were doing to make the FP+ time. Granted you have a full hour, but trust me, my mother doesn't understand any of this. In her mind, we have to stop what we're doing to meet a reservation, hence we are "rushed."
Grandma can wait in Stand By.
 

luv

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I understand. But a reservation from my Mom's POV (she's 73) means pulling yourself away from whatever else you were doing to make the FP+ time. Granted you have a full hour, but trust me, my mother doesn't understand any of this. In her mind, we have to stop what we're doing to meet a reservation, hence we are "rushed."
She's not wrong. You do have to pull yourself away. You also have to not do something you'd like to do now, because you know that you have this appointment window coming up. It's crappy.

We tried this out and didn't care for it at all.

Uni's system is soooooooooooo much better. All this Disney planning, with all these appointments to keep and inability to go here and there and have a nice day, not to mention the wristbands (which, by the way, you can cut up into a smaller piece and they still work)...it sucks.

IMO.

Onsite guests have less perks than before and offsite guests are all but totally screwed.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I understand. But a reservation from my Mom's POV (she's 73) means pulling yourself away from whatever else you were doing to make the FP+ time. Granted you have a full hour, but trust me, my mother doesn't understand any of this. In her mind, we have to stop what we're doing to meet a reservation, hence we are "rushed."
I hear what you are saying. I assume she would have felt the same way about regular FP since you had a set 1 hour return time. I would tend to agree with her. I would prefer going back to no FP at all. Everyone waits in standby lines. The standby lines would be longer, but would move much faster.
 

ParentsOf4

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The FP+ system works itself, it's no better time to test the capacity then in their busy season. Disney grew some balls on this one. And to be fair, DAK is busy during the holidays, but never THAT busy.
In general, systems & procedures are better tested first with modest loads than with maximum loads.

I'm not particularly concerned with the technical functionality of the FP+ kiosks or the network & database behind it. They've been used by onsite guests for a while. I'm thinking more in terms of people and procedures.

DAK has FP+ kiosks at:
  • Guest Relations
  • Disney Outfitters
  • Creature Comforts
  • Kali River Rapids
  • Primeval Whirl
  • Expedition Everest
Large crowds are sure to form at several and perhaps even all of these, with lots of guests getting their first look at FastPass+.

Will CMs be ready to handle these crowds? Will ropes be in place to handle potentially huge lines? How will Disney handle guests that are shutout from good FP+ selections after waiting?

With many onsite guests having made their FP+ selections prior to arrival, they were relatively familiar with the FP+ user interface. Those needing to make changes had the option of doing so via the MDE webpage, the MDE phone app, or one of the kiosks. The numbers using the kiosks would have been extremely light. (At least, they were when I was there Thanksgiving week.)

Offsite guests are limited to the kiosks only. What happens when hundreds of offsite guests stand in front of these kiosks and see these screens for the first time?

Why not wait a couple of weeks and test the people and procedures in early January? Work out the kinks before spring break and then test with an increased load then.

What could Disney possibly gain by beginning a major phase of testing during its most busy week. Is there an internal (arbitrary?) milestone for Disney to claim that MM+ was in test phase for all guests in 2013? Perhaps there's a supplier payment or executive bonus tied to this milestone.

In my career, I've seen lots of intermediate deliverables being jammed through even though a system was not ready, for the simple reason that money was tied a specific date and forfeited if that date was missed. :eek:

Disney learned their lesson at Disneyland and intentionally opened the Magic Kingdom on October 1, during one of the least busy times of year. It seems that Disney is throwing out that lesson with the introduction of FP+ to offsite guests during its busiest time of year.

Disney spent over a year gradually introducing MM+ to onsite guests. Yet they seem to be rushing to begin FP+ testing with offsite guests.

Just thinking about things that might go awry. It sounds as if you have more confidence in Disney being ready than I do. I could be wrong.

I do think DAK is the best park to first try FP+ with offsite guests because DAK's most popular attractions also happen to be its highest capacity attractions and, as you allude to, DAK's crowds are more manageable. Epcot and DHS both have special Holiday festivities while MK is, well, MK and always crowded. If they are going to do it at any park during Christmas, DAK is it. :)
 
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luv

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I talked to a girl who works in guest services. I barely know this girl and only see her sporadically at a neighbor's house.

I rarely ask people about their work at Disney, but I had to ask, "What do you think about all this wristband stuff?" It was so funny. Her face naturally fell into practically a frown. Her eyes went dead with hatred. Her shoulders sank and she took a long, deep breath in before she started talking.

She hates the whole wristband thing. She hates her job now. She is actively looking for a new job and has put in applications elsewhere.

I didn't ask and don't know if they all feel that way, but at least one does.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
Am I the only one who loves FP+ so much, that I've extended it to my daily life? I FP+ everything. Two months from now I will be eating a gyro from 5:30-6:30. It won't take an hour, but I keep all my windows an hour. I allow myself 3 a day. When I don't have one scheduled, I just mope around and walk in aimless circles waiting for my next window. My wdwmagic time is almost up.
 

luv

Well-Known Member
Am I the only one who loves FP+ so much, that I've extended it to my daily life? I FP+ everything. Two months from now I will be eating a gyro from 5:30-6:30. It won't take an hour, but I keep all my windows an hour. I allow myself 3 a day. When I don't have one scheduled, I just mope around and walk in aimless circles waiting for my next window. My wdwmagic time is almost up.
You need a FPP day timer!
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Am I the only one who loves FP+ so much, that I've extended it to my daily life? I FP+ everything. Two months from now I will be eating a gyro from 5:30-6:30. It won't take an hour, but I keep all my windows an hour. I allow myself 3 a day. When I don't have one scheduled, I just mope around and walk in aimless circles waiting for my next window. My wdwmagic time is almost up.
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StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
In general, systems & procedures are better tested first with modest loads than with maximum loads.

I'm not particularly concerned with the technical functionality of the FP+ kiosks or the network & database behind it. They've been used by onsite guests for a while. I'm thinking more in terms of people and procedures.

DAK has FP+ kiosks at:
  • Guest Relations
  • Disney Outfitters
  • Kali River Rapids
  • Primeval Whirl
  • Expedition Everest
Large crowds are sure to form at several and perhaps even all of these, with lots of guests getting their first look at FastPass+.
Just to clarify, how many kiosks are at each of these locations?
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Don't forget, when a wait time says 70 minutes, it is just as likely that it really means 25 minutes as it is that it means 130 minutes.
Disney vets learn to eyeball lines. ;) I use the system more as a general thing rather than a scientific thing. Rule of thumb: if it looks longer than the posted wait, it probably is

I am getting sick and tired of the Flick System to provide wait times. The wait times posted for almost every attraction is 100% wrong since it is providing a wait time for the person that just got on the ride.

It will continue to be much more wrong than ever right until WDW severely cuts down on FP distribution or kills Fastpass altogether so they can go back to judging wait times by line length. Judging it by a person's wait that just finished their wait is just flat out stupid.
I think that they run several cards through the line at one, but you are correct. Hershey Park has a system of "45 minutes from this point" or "10 minutes from this point". It makes far more sense. Of course, their lines are also set up differently, but I bet I, along with other Disney vets on here, are more accurate with our eyes than those stupid timing cards are.


I also don't trust them since last trip when I went on Pooh through Stand By and it was a 25 minute wait and I came out and the sign said 40. If anything it looked like the wait had gone down.
 

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