FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

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Waters Back Side

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You are going to see some bulk offerings, but you are still going to need a la carte.

That would have to depend when you say "need". If I can buy a package for my MK day of the 3 Mountain rides (which will be pricey I'm sure), I'll be satisfied and there will be no need to go on anything else that day unless we wait in line. Of course that assumes, there would be such an option.
 

wdwmagic

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That would have to depend when you say "need". If I can buy a package for my MK day of the 3 Mountain rides (which will be pricey I'm sure), I'll be satisfied and there will be no need to go on anything else that day unless we wait in line. Of course that assumes, there would be such an option.
Don't think you are going to get that option, at least at the start. But I expect Genie is going to evolve significantly over time.
 

monothingie

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You are going to see some bulk offerings, but you are still going to need a la carte.
They are going to need to get their messaging very clear here.

Because right now it seems that unless you don't pay extra or don't use the app to get into a virtual queue, the only thing you're ticket or AP is going to be able to do is get you into a gift shop or QS. (Maybe if you're lucky you can get onto Swiss Family Robinson).
 

hopemax

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Of all the bad things, I am least concerned about a super expensive Fastpass. If 20% or less pay for access, it will be less disruptive to the experience of those in the standby line than FP+ was. If everyone else gets standby, like now, I don't have a problem with people willing to wait an hour getting a limited resource over someone that only wants to wait 20 minutes.

However, if the goal is to still get 80% of people out of the standby queue, because of lack of queue space, then that way leads to ride access being cutoff at some point because capacity for headliners << number of people who want to ride or re-ride them. Musical chairs, and hope you are on the app early enough to grab your ticket.

The worst case scenario is a price that a majority of people will talk themselves into paying, so the only way to ride some rides is to pay for it. All the bad of Fastpass availability and long waits but with an additional Ticketmaster service fee.

We know the list of rides you would likely need to upcharge or risk not riding at all: Splash, Space, Tron, SDMT, Peter Pan, BTMRR, JC, HM, Frozen, TT, Soarin, Rat, Guardians, ToT, RnRC, Slinky, TSMM, Smugglers, RotR, FOP, 2nd AK ride (but most subject to variance, I think between Safaris, Navi or Everest). So 20+ potential rides. $15 per person or an additional $300 per person. $1200 for family of 4. Depending on heights of kids, ride preferences, maybe a family can get by with only $800 of upcharges? Are you really gonna do it?
 

Waters Back Side

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There was always an existing rumor that packages would be offered. At least to resort guests. Even the different rumored options suggested that. That is the purpose of Genie anyway to plan your day and navigate the parks with less wait time. At a price of course. Otherwise, it's basically Disney Premier Access and identical to Paris.
 

wdwmagic

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There was always an existing rumor that packages would be offered. At least to resort guests. Even the different rumored options suggested that. That is the purpose of Genie anyway to plan your day and navigate the parks with less wait time. At a price of course. Otherwise, it's basically Disney Premier Access and identical to Paris.
There have been so many versions and variations of this, that I think at the moment it is almost impossible to say what is going to happen when it goes live, and how it looks over the following year. I expect a lot of changes over time as Disney adapts it to deliver what they want.
 

danv3

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Remember all the people, social media, and legacy media that expressed shock and horror about when single day tickets went over $100 and AP's over $1000?

They're gone now, but the high prices stuck around.

Disney expects to weather the outrage storm and then go back to continuing to count the money.
This is exactly what Disney is counting on. And what will happen.
 

Tha Realest

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However, if the goal is to still get 80% of people out of the standby queue, because of lack of queue space, then that way leads to ride access being cutoff at some point because capacity for headliners << number of people who want to ride or re-ride them. Musical chairs, and hope you are on the app early enough to grab your ticket.

This kind of hits on my broader concern. For now, if you're in a given park - setting aside ROTR - you can functionally ride just about every ride you prioritize. You may have to wait longer depending on the crowd levels or business, but if you're willing to wait long enough, can check off Slinky or FOP.

Since they're creating so many monetization levels I wonder if that's a possibility? I get the VQ takes that level of flexibility off the table, but I am worried we'll start seeing CMs at the end of what was/is the "standby" line a few hours before closing, if not the closure of the standby line altogether at some arbitrary point in the day.
 

Waters Back Side

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We know things are going to cost more through Fastpass but the biggest question I have about all of this is…

Is it going to reduce the crowds and wait times ? (mainly for standby)

That’s all I care about

If they do not reduce capacity, the lack of free line skip offers will not fix the lines. There will be no significant difference. It might slightly lessen the stand by lines. But on the heavy crowd weeks, you will have to wait regardless. Even if not many opt to buy line skips. And many are convinced this will not affect people from going and booking hotels etc.
 

HauntedPirate

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front page of this very site - https://www.wdwmagic.com ;) although timing TBA
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CaptainAmerica

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To reiterate my sentiment elsewhere: I am almost to the point of rooting for a massive economic correction to bring TWDC to its knees. I want them to experience the double-whammy of the post-9/11 tourism freeze and the Great Recession all at once. I want the cooked books on Disney+ subs to be exposed. I want the tables turned to where they're begging for us to return instead of this DLC in the Parks nonsense.
Lmao.
 

monothingie

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There have been so many versions and variations of this, that I think at the moment it is almost impossible to say what is going to happen when it goes live, and how it looks over the following year. I expect a lot of changes over time as Disney adapts it to deliver what they want.
Risky move to deploy this so suddenly. The ideal time would have been immediately after the shutdown. It served as a clean starting point and at least changes could have been easier to implement.

But I guess trial by fire for the busy 50th anniversary year.
 

Waters Back Side

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Risky move to deploy this so suddenly. The ideal time would have been immediately after the shutdown. It served as a clean starting point and at least changes could have been easier to implement.

But I guess trial by fire for the busy 50th anniversary year.

Not to mention how unknown the system will be entering a very busy period.
 

CaptainAmerica

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Risky move to deploy this so suddenly. The ideal time would have been immediately after the shutdown. It served as a clean starting point and at least changes could have been easier to implement.

But I guess trial by fire for the busy 50th anniversary year.
Nothing about this is "sudden." This is what MyMagic+ was supposed to be able to do six years ago.
 
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