FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

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KrzyKtty

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I sure hope that at Disney World that resort guests get 3 free fastpasses per day as a perk, otherwise, I will consider staying off property like I used to to afford to buy a Fastpass or 2. I've been staying at Disney resorts for about 5 years now nearly monthly for a week at a time...for the perks.
You go to WDW every 3 or 4 weeks for a week? Wow? Honestly curious, is the park part of your job?
 

CaptainAmerica

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No, the problem is when Disney builds new stuff, they keep doing so over existing stuff with a few exceptions here and there. And then the new stuff has lower capacity than the old stuff, so total capacity is actually lower. And, all the "recent" expenditures won't even dent the giant hole for the previous 10 years where Disney utterly failed to invest in capacity.
Better to have a ride that runs 2,000 people per hour and runs full than a ride that runs 3,000 people per hour and runs half empty.
 

Thinker of Things

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You can’t ignore scale/duration when assessing travel. Costs accrue by the minute and that can’t be ignored.
Valid points on scale/duration. I can agree with you on that aspect. However, consumer behavior when it comes to products and services that offer convenience and time savings, regardless of industry, can’t be ignored either here. Convenience almost always comes at a cost and there is almost always someone who will pay for the product/service which offers the added convenience. Time is money and money is time whether it’s spent, saved, or earned.
 
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nickys

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What’s really interesting today is that Crush, the one ride that builds right from the start of the day, and is the only ride to use the standby return, is not enabled for Premier Access. You cannot buy your way in so the only option is to wait. Same is true for the other two rides that seem to get long lines, Phantom Manor and the Toy Story parachutes. No premier access available for them.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
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What’s really interesting today is that Crush, the one ride that builds right from the start of the day, and is the only ride to use the standby return, is not enabled for Premier Access. You cannot buy your way in so the only option is to wait. Same is true for the other two rides that seem to get long lines, Phantom Manor and the Toy Story parachutes. No premier access available for them.

I absolutely would have expected DPA for Crush. That’s stunning.
 

nickys

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I absolutely would have expected DPA for Crush. That’s stunning.
So maybe their thinking is that if you want to ride the real star attraction you wait, either physically or virtually. And rides either use standby return or they use premier access.

It also seems like it went to standby return at 11am, when the line was around 65 minutes.

I’m yet to be convinced that DLP will provide much useful info for WDW though, they’re quite different from each other.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Valid points on scale/duration. I can agree with you on that aspect. However, consumer behavior when it comes to products and services that offer convenience and time savings, regardless of industry, can’t be ignored either here. Convenience almost always comes at a cost and there is almost always someone who will pay for the product/service which offers the added convenience. Time is money and money is time whether it’s spent, saved, or earned.
I agree there

the problem is this: when a week was costing on average $5000-$7000….could now jump to $10,000+ with nothing new/tangible to show for it?

that’s a tough shock to the System.

now there are those that have convinced themselves that 80% of visitors everyday are first timers to wdw 🙄…which is silly…

but I like to assess in the reality that overhalf are experienced each day (they are…sometimes much higher) and a large percentage of that is frequenters…

so how do you splain this one away?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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So maybe their thinking is that if you want to ride the real star attraction you wait, either physically or virtually. And rides either use standby return or they use premier access.

It also seems like it went to standby return at 11am, when the line was around 65 minutes.

I’m yet to be convinced that DLP will provide much useful info for WDW though, they’re quite different from each other.
Nothing is like wdw just based on size, demographics and logistics….

“often compared…but never correctly”
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Wow that's insanely expensive.

Getting rid of the traditional booked 60 days in advance fastpass is going to make my family come a lot less often. The old system worked great at Disney World, it benefited fans who put in the effort and disadvantaged normies. That is the way it should be.
The 60 day was around for 7 years…the previous in park 14.

so what is “traditional”?
 

pdude81

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What’s really interesting today is that Crush, the one ride that builds right from the start of the day, and is the only ride to use the standby return, is not enabled for Premier Access. You cannot buy your way in so the only option is to wait. Same is true for the other two rides that seem to get long lines, Phantom Manor and the Toy Story parachutes. No premier access available for them.
Perhaps they want to see what price the market will bear before declaring a number
 

Ayla

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That's not how it's setup. Closing standby to standby PASS is not moving people ONLY to paid options.
My point is you can only be in one stand-by queue at a time. If regular standby is closed at the other attractions you want to do, you can't stand in line until your virtual queau is available...so whaddya gonna do? Why, spend more money, of course! Either by paying for a fastpass for that attraction or buying food, drink or merch while you wait. Disney must think their customers are idiots, but we can see right through their bs.

The implications are enormous for US parks, but some people don't seem to be realizing it.
 

Ayla

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The poster was misrepresenting things.

Your scenarios were true before as well.. just in other forms. "3hr wait and no FP, no we won't wait..." etc. It's always a mix of what the customer will do based on their needs... except in the case of the virtual-only queue that Disney controls it all :)
I'm not misrepresenting anything.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Perhaps they want to see what price the market will bear before declaring a number
It’s dynamic…there isn’t a number

and since it’s money literally for nothing…they can constantly tinker with it to shake out patterns/direct the flow towards certain prices/situations
 

Kingoglow

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Looking at this disgusting spectacle in Paris, [snip]
I don't understand. When I went to Disney Paris in 2018, Fast Pass was already something guests paid for at the ticket window. There were several tiers, that went all the way up to unlimited FastPasses on all rides for $370 per person (at the time). All this does is drop everything down to a per-ride basis. Not mandatory or necessary. That would make this new Disneyland Paris system LESS disgusting and more appealing to guests. I don't understand your perspective, I guess.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
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So maybe their thinking is that if you want to ride the real star attraction you wait, either physically or virtually. And rides either use standby return or they use premier access.

It also seems like it went to standby return at 11am, when the line was around 65 minutes.

I’m yet to be convinced that DLP will provide much useful info for WDW though, they’re quite different from each other.
Crush is the one ride that would likely have been highly in-demand given its long wait times from park open. 🤷🏻‍♂️ When we were there, it was 45 minutes at park open and after it re-opened after a several hour closure, with higher wait times in between. We lucked out a little and waited maybe 45-50 minutes after it reopened, I think the posted time was 60.
 

DisneyDodo

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My point is you can only be in one stand-by queue at a time. If regular standby is closed at the other attractions you want to do, you can't stand in line until your virtual queau is available...so whaddya gonna do? Why, spend more money, of course! Either by paying for a fastpass for that attraction or buying food, drink or merch while you wait. Disney must think their customers are idiots, but we can see right through their bs.

The implications are enormous for US parks, but some people don't seem to be realizing it.
Would you rather be forced to stand in a line for 2 hours, or spend some of that time walking/sitting around the park, with the option to spend money on dining and merchandise? I get that the latter isn't particularly exciting, but it sure beats the former IMO.
 
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