FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Most 30-something parents are of the millennial generation, and the ones going to Disney with their pirates or princesses have as much disposable income (or high credit card limits) as the previous generations.

Statistically that is incorrect.

gen X has less overall resources as the boomers…but close…

Z will have less.

I know a shocking amount Gen x - in a high income area - that get “vacation allowances” from their boomer parents to go on vacations…

…guess where?

anecdotal…but probably not a one person outlier either.

 

[pdude81]

You know the oldest millenials are now in their 40s...right?

There are sliding scales for people to choose their label, or one for someone else

 

[Trauma]

Actually, this can be seen as the ultimate DVC benefit: Charge for FPs per ride and then offer a DVC discount on the price for blue cards. They'll still get customers to pay more, but the DVC owners will feel like they are getting a special perk while also paying more!

I’m not sure this is something even blue cards would welcome.

Remember a lot of DVC members rent out points from time to time.

If discounted fast passes are only available to blue cards it diminishes the rental market effecting all DVC members.

 

[dreday3]

I always hated people saying that too. I guess it makes sense if you have an AP and can go multiple times a year, it doesn't matter what rides you skip.

If we're taking our only trip down for the year, and 'spontaneity' means we're not going to be able to ride Tower of Terror because the posted wait is 120 minutes long, that means we're not gonna ride it for atleast another year. I love the advanced planning because then I know ok, we're guaranteed to at least ride these rides on this day, and then play it by ear after.

Especially with no EMH I can't justify spending over 10% of the time the park is open waiting in line for one ride when that's our only day in that park for the next year+.

Yeah.

This proposed new way is going to make someone like me very anxious. I don't even want to think about waking up each day, worried we won't be able to get on any rides.

I need order in my life.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You know the oldest millenials are now in their 40s...right?

That I do…and Xers are close to 55

to be fair…I’m thinking more the “born in the 90s” types…not the “XY” segment

 

[Waters Back Side]

Prepare to be shocked.

those “deluxe” are tied - except for 1 - to several hundred DVC rooms (minimum) each…And DVC is not getting free monetized “assets”

Moderates should receive one or two free. Let alone deluxe. What incentive is there to stay on property otherwise? Even Value should receive one free pass for a ride. And the idea then anyone would disagree with this is ridiculous.

Soeaking for myself even i'd like to see an option to pay for fast pass after using 3 free ones if given the option. But I'm not paying extra in order to get on ONE (1) tier 1 ride in less then 20 minutes.

 

[pdude81]

Statistically that is incorrect.

gen X has less overall resources as the boomers…but close…

Z will have less.

I know a shocking amount Gen x - in a high income area - that get “vacation allowances” from their boomer parents to go on vacations…

…guess where?

anecdotal…but probably not a one person outlier either.

Have to be a certain age to ride the stock market from the 80's all the way here.

 

[ctrlaltdel]

I always hated people saying that too. I guess it makes sense if you have an AP and can go multiple times a year, it doesn't matter what rides you skip.

If we're taking our only trip down for the year, and 'spontaneity' means we're not going to be able to ride Tower of Terror because the posted wait is 120 minutes long, that means we're not gonna ride it for atleast another year. I love the advanced planning because then I know ok, we're guaranteed to at least ride these rides on this day, and then play it by ear after.

Especially with no EMH I can't justify spending over 10% of the time the park is open waiting in line for one ride when that's our only day in that park for the next year+.

My biggest worry about the prices is the FOMO people are gonna feel because they have to ride the big headliner no matter the cost. Paying $100-$300 for a party for one ride seems insane but if it's a once a year, once every few years, once in a lifetime kind of trip, the heat of the moment can get the better of people.

 

[pixarprincess]

Moderates should receive one or two free. Let alone deluxe. What incentive is there to stay on property otherwise? Even Value should receive one free pass for a ride. And the idea then anyone would disagree with this is ridiculous.

Soeaking for myself even i'd like to see an option to pay for fast pass after using 3 free ones if given the option. But I'm not paying extra in order to get on ONE (1) tier 1 ride in less then 20 minutes.

The problem with this is that no one would pay. Because there would be nothing left worth getting an FP for. Or, conversely, they'd get to select their choices first and the people getting the free FP would have no good options left. Capacity is the problem no matter how you slice it. But ya, the DLP solution is atrocious.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Have to be a certain age to ride the stock market from the 80's all the way here.

The thought that everyone is in the stock market is also incorrect. Vanguard in a 401K doesn’t make you Elon musk

 

[Family_Man]

The spontaneity argument really puzzles me. The new system, however it's implemented, would also entail making plans, except on the day itself rather than ahead of time. True spontaneity means doing whatever takes your fancy, free of external factors or pressures, but that isn't what's being discussed at all. Quite the opposite.

Yeah...

You can always "be spontaneous" if you don't care if you get to see any attractions in particular.

Getting a 12:00pm return time for Test Track when you have a 12:45pm reservation at Via Napoli is not going to feel "spontaneous".

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My biggest worry about the prices is the FOMO people are gonna feel because they have to ride the big headliner no matter the cost. Paying $100-$300 for a party for one ride seems insane but if it's a once a year, once every few years, once in a lifetime kind of trip, the heat of the moment can get the better of people.

How many once in a lifetimes is throwing another $300 at a ride?

the kind that usually is at their chateau in east Hampton or the ski lodge in vail?

 

[ifan]

The spontaneity argument really puzzles me. The new system, however it's implemented, would also entail making plans, except on the day itself rather than ahead of time. True spontaneity means doing whatever takes your fancy, free of external factors or pressures, but that isn't what's being discussed at all. Quite the opposite.

I'm not sure I follow this thought process? You show up to the park and feel like riding Space Mountain spur of the moment. Instead of waiting in line you have the option of paying extra to get it faster (as long as the $ pass is available.) This is why I said it comes down to the implementation. If this wasn't oversold, and capacity was available for immediate payment/ride soon, It would increase spontaneity. There are ways to use this system to make the day almost completely spontaneous, outside of dining plans, as long as you're willing to pay.

I'd agree with you if this was oversold and they said to come back in 4 hours for your paid pass. If that's the case, then it is the worst of both worlds.

 

[ctrlaltdel]

How many once in a lifetimes is throwing another $300 at a ride?

the kind that usually is at their chateau in east Hampton or the ski lodge in vail?

I mean you are ultimately right, they probably don't have the disposable income to throw down like that. Point is heat of the moment you can make some crazy impulse decisions, even if that ultimately isn't the greatest example

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Moderates should receive one or two free. Let alone deluxe. What incentive is there to stay on property otherwise? Even Value should receive one free pass for a ride. And the idea then anyone would disagree with this is ridiculous.

Soeaking for myself even i'd like to see an option to pay for fast pass after using 3 free ones if given the option. But I'm not paying extra in order to get on ONE (1) tier 1 ride in less then 20 minutes.

It appears that the way they’re heading that the only “incentive” Will be the short bus/boat ride or the walking path…

until they charge for that

 

[RobbinsDad]

Statistically that is incorrect.

gen X has less overall resources as the boomers…but close…

Z will have less.

I know a shocking amount Gen x - in a high income area - that get “vacation allowances” from their boomer parents to go on vacations…

…guess where?

anecdotal…but probably not a one person outlier either.

Cost isn't the issue. Unless something replaces Disneyworld/Disneyland as the dream destination for families with young children (and something definitely could), I don't think resources matter. Families, especially middle class ones, will save for their vacation or they'll finance it, but either way they'll go because of the pervasive presence of all things Disney in the lives of American children. As long as their are movies, television shows, Halloween costumes, etc., there will be families desperate to take their children to a place where all of those things come to life. Does it make sense? Absolutely not, but that's the thing about magic...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I mean you are ultimately right, they probably don't have the disposable income to throw down like that. Point is heat of the moment you can make some crazy impulse decisions, even if that ultimately isn't the greatest example

I agree…and though I criticize Disney…I don’t loathe them often.

to actively play to that to force people desperate to get their kids on a ride or disappoint them is loathesome

 

[dreday3]

I mean you are ultimately right, they probably don't have the disposable income to throw down like that. Point is heat of the moment you can make some crazy impulse decisions, even if that ultimately isn't the greatest example

For two of us, the pricing isn't as a big an issue as for a larger family. But it could come down to things like - do you want to buy fast passes for these rides and cancel dinner tonight? Do you want that souvenir or to ride that ride?

 

[Waters Back Side]

The problem with this is that no one would pay. Because there would be nothing left worth getting an FP for. Or, conversely, they'd get to select their choices first and the people getting the free FP would have no good options left. Capacity is the problem no matter how you slice it. But ya, the DLP solution is atrocious.

That's not true. Do you know how many times I had one day planned for Epcot and chose Soarin as my Tier 1 fast pass and Trst Track was a 120 minute wait in Spring break? I would have NO issues at all buying a 4th fast pass in that scenario. The tiered ride levels in 3 of the 4 parks are incentive enough to charge for extra fast passes. I have NO problem with it. I like the idea. But to charge extra to go on 1 top attraction a day at a park so that I can walk onto it which has always been a magical experience at Disney is purely ridiculous.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Cost isn't the issue. Unless something replaces Disneyworld/Disneyland as the dream destination for families with young children (and something definitely could), I don't think resources matter. Families, especially middle class ones, will save for their vacation or they'll finance it, but either way they'll go because of the pervasive presence of all things Disney in the lives of American children. As long as their are movies, television shows, Halloween costumes, etc., there will be families desperate to take their children to a place where all of those things come to life. Does it make sense? Absolutely not, but that's the thing about magic...

In principle I agree…
…until you take the price over the point of no return. And Disney isn’t at risk much of that…but not entirely insulated I either.
If the chairman/board crash Disney - they walk away rich. That was the value of Disney’s prior leadership…their sense of ego/legacy.