Fastpass for deluxe resort guests only?

[Jimmy Thick]

Now Iam nothing if not open minded.

But allow me to pursue a rather daunting topic.

Apparently, Universal will build a new value resort for the value budgeted guest. Thats fine and to be brutally honest, much needed. But in return for this value resort, the guest will NOT have access to the one worthwhile thing staying at a Universal resort, the front of the line perk.

See, if you stay at one of Universal's premium resorts, you don't wait in line, you go right to the front, and even for Potter, you wait no more than 5 minutes. This is the king of all resort perks, and in my opinion, better than Fastpass because the premium Universal resorts I guess are never fully booked, you really don't wait.

But for this cheaper resort they are building, they are taking away this delightful option, and making those guests wait with the rest of the people, who are visiting from Disney or staying off property.

Class system anyone?

No one seems to notice this fact, so lets dial it up a notch.

Since its ok for Universal to do this why not Disney? Should Disney offer Fastpass only to guests staying at their premium, deluxe resorts? If this proves successful for Universal, who are obviously pushing the envelope, (/sarc), then it should be acceptable for Disney to follow suite.

Should people such as myself be the only ones allowed to have no waits while other in a different financial bracket slog through 40-50 minute queues?

Or is Universal the ones dropping the ball and creating a class system based on how much money you have?



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[nepalostparks]

See, if you stay at one of Universal's premium resorts, you don't wait in line, you go right to the front, and even for Potter, you wait no more than 5 minutes.

Forbidden Journey is NOT part of the Express Pass program.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Forbidden Journey is NOT part of the Express Pass program.

Ummm, I don't know about that...


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[WDWBryan]

No. Staying at a Disney resort gets you extra magic hours. That's the perk.

 

[wilkeliza]

I think Universal doesn't realize what they are doing.

I am the first to say that Walt Disney himself did not want the parks to be for the poor people of the world and that is why the best attractions were E-Ticket rides which cost more. However if something was included in admission it was included for everyone not just the family that could afford E-Ticket rides.

Fastpass is not just for resort guests (as of now next-gen fastpass is the only thing depended on resort stay and regular passes will still exsist) and is included in admission for all. If they randomly decided that they would stop offering fastpasses for all and will now only be giving it to deluxe resort guests there would be several people in an up roar. What about AP holders who don't need to use the resorts or families that spend thousands of dollars in the parks but stay at a friend's home down the street or rent a vacation home in the area?

I think had it started as a deluxe resort guest perk only from the beginning no one would call foul but since it is open to all guests currently there would be an uproar if they back tracked.

 

[wilkeliza]

Ummm, I don't know about that...


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Every time I have been there Forbidden Journey is not included in the free express pass. The newest roller coaster where you pick the music you ride to is not included with the pass either. They say that because guests get to also enter an hour early they can go get in line for those with no wait at the beginning of their day.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Disney shouldn't discriminate who gets a fastpass as long as you have a ticket.

Universal should be the same and not offer it to one class of resort over a cheaper resort they both have on property, thats absurd.


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[marni1971]

Ummm, I don't know about that...


Jimmy Thick- Secrets secrets...

You do now!

 

[afar28]

Ummm, I don't know about that...


Jimmy Thick- Secrets secrets...

It isnt.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Well I agree with you Jimmy. You can call us out for resenting NextGen initatives while overlooking similar schemes elsewhere. By default, I resent VIP treatments in the parks. Teh obligatory Walt quote: 'At Disneyland, every guest is a VIP'.

It is best left to places like boxing matches, nightclubs, and Universal.
At Universal the music is always a bit louder, the atmosphere a bit more agressive rather than reassuring, and the vibe a bit more conducive to differentiated treatment of guests.

It's why I prefer Disney. Disney magic is old fashioned egalitarian, inclusive, middle class. Sadly, whereas Uni has never made secret out of it's differentiated treatment system, Disney has, and is. Slowly Disney is following the example of Six Flags and Universal, but in a more circumvent way. That is, no vip-boxes, but 'dinner packages' and the like.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

It isnt.

Iam not even local and I know the way around it.


Jimmy Thick- Um, really?

 

[afar28]

Iam not even local and I know the way around it.


Jimmy Thick- Um, really?

Is it the way of when you go into the room with the lockers and then go into the line, cutting the wait time in half? Thats what I do at least.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Well I agree with you Jimmy. You can call us out for resenting NextGen initatives while overlooking similar schemes elsewhere. By default, I resent VIP treatments in the parks. Teh obligatory Walt quote: 'At Disneyland, every guest is a VIP'.

It is best left to places like boxing matches, nightclubs, and Universal.
At Universal the music is always a bit louder, the atmosphere a bit more agressive rather than reassuring, and the vibe a bit more conducive to differentiated treatment of guests.

It's why I prefer Disney. Disney magic is old fashioned egalitarian, inclusive, middle class. Sadly, whereas Uni has never made secret out of it's differentiated treatment system, Disney has, and is. Slowly Disney is following the example of Six Flags and Universal, but in a more circumvent way. That is, no vip-boxes, but 'dinner packages' and the like.

Six Flags and Universal offer a fast pass for cash, unless you stay at one of Universals premuim resorts. I have absolutely no issue with staying at Universal's resorts for the perk of front of the line access, but you can't discriminate againts people staying at a Universal resort as well but didn't pay a premium price. Thats a slap in the face. If its a Universal resort, why isn't the value resort customer's money as good as the deluxe guests money?

Disney of course, does not do any of this, but if its successfull for Universal who is to say they won't?

I say nip this little greedy revolution in the bud before it gets that far.


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[John]

Well I agree with you Jimmy. You can call us out for resenting NextGen initatives while overlooking similar schemes elsewhere. By default, I resent VIP treatments in the parks. Teh obligatory Walt quote: 'At Disneyland, every guest is a VIP'.

It is best left to places like boxing matches, nightclubs, and Universal.
At Universal the music is always a bit louder, the atmosphere a bit more agressive rather than reassuring, and the vibe a bit more conducive to differentiated treatment of guests.

It's why I prefer Disney. Disney magic is old fashioned egalitarian, inclusive, middle class. Sadly, whereas Uni has never made secret out of it's differentiated treatment system, Disney has, and is. Slowly Disney is following the example of Six Flags and Universal, but in a more circumvent way. That is, no vip-boxes, but 'dinner packages' and the like.

I agree with you...to a point. If there isnt a difference....what do you get for staying at a $400 a night room? It may be much better then a value, but how much better then a Mod? And isnt the current discounting policy a little bit of a class thing....the better the resort the more the discount....and as you mentioned the dining plan policy? I dont see why Disney wouldnt come up with something like this in thier Nex Gen technology. Make it more enticeing to spend that kind of money for a Delux.

 

[John]

Six Flags and Universal offer a fast pass for cash, unless you stay at one of Universals premuim resorts. I have absolutely no issue with staying at Universal's resorts for the perk of front of the line access, but you can't discriminate againts people staying at a Universal resort as well but didn't pay a premium price. Thats a slap in the face. If its a Universal resort, why isn't the value resort customer's money as good as the deluxe guests money?

Disney of course, does not do any of this, but if its successfull for Universal who is to say they won't?

I say nip this little greedy revolution in the bud before it gets that far.


Jimmy Thick- I shall lead you all.

But they do....DDP discount policy....what is the difference?

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I agree with you...to a point. If there isnt a difference....what do you get for staying at a $400 a night room? It may be much better then a value, but how much better then a Mod? And isnt the current discounting policy a little bit of a class thing....the better the resort the more the discount....and as you mentioned the dining plan policy? I dont see why Disney wouldnt come up with something like this in thier Nex Gen technology. Make it more enticeing to spend that kind of money for a Delux.

A restaurant with a menu with different courses at different prices is not a class system, it merely presents a variation of choices.

A restaurant with a roped off vip area with extra waiters and different cutlery is a class sytem. Why should I eat there if I'm not the one in the roped off area? I would only feel second rate.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Six Flags and Universal offer a fast pass for cash, unless you stay at one of Universals premuim resorts. I have absolutely no issue with staying at Universal's resorts for the perk of front of the line access, but you can't discriminate againts people staying at a Universal resort as well but didn't pay a premium price. Thats a slap in the face. If its a Universal resort, why isn't the value resort customer's money as good as the deluxe guests money?

But this bit is bollox. Universal's Xpress pass system is based on 'pay more, get more'. Why shouldn't the luxury hotel guest then get better perks than the value guest?

It has an internal logic. But me I simply resent that sort of system in the first place. What you are looking for, are doom&gloomers who will defend this scheme at Universal, but resent it at WDW. It's not me, I'm quite consistent in my views.

 

[Bob]

I am waiting the for the first person to suggest that only the Brazilian tour groups be excluded from the Fastpass line.

 

[lebeau]

Well I agree with you Jimmy. You can call us out for resenting NextGen initatives while overlooking similar schemes elsewhere. By default, I resent VIP treatments in the parks. Teh obligatory Walt quote: 'At Disneyland, every guest is a VIP'.

Did Walt say that from Club 33?

 

[Jimmy Thick]

What you are looking for, are doom&gloomers who will defend this scheme at Universal, but resent it at WDW. It's not me, I'm quite consistent in my views.

Thats entirely my point.

It can't be acceptable for one and not the other. Disney offers the same perks for the guest who has millions as to the guest who has pennies. You can say those who spend more deserve more, and thats valid, and I agree with that to an extent, but if you're staying on Disney property, you're just as important at an All-Star or Contemporary.

At Universal, whom everyone has this notion they are pushing the envelope, they just created a class system where if you don't stay at one of there premium resorts, you're missing an the boat. You're on property, but second class.

If Disney implemented such a system, it would create havok.


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