Fast Pass Upgraded?

Lauriebar

Well-Known Member
It is advertised as being a perk of buying a ticket and entering WDW. That is not exactly free.

The fact that some WDW Resort hotel guest might be offered an additional perk of a faster fastpass does not change the original "buy a WDW ticket and use the fastpass system as a part of admission" perk.

Whether this happens or not there are several truths that have been brought up time and again in this thread...

You get what you pay for.
You have a choice as to where you will stay.
Disney will do what they feel is in their best interest economically.


You can agree or disagree with these truths but, I don't believe you will change them.
 

LilDucky

New Member
Lauriebar said:
You get what you pay for.
You have a choice as to where you will stay.
Disney will do what they feel is in their best interest economically.
Sounds pretty clear cut to me. :wave: :wave:
 

Shaman

Well-Known Member
PagingTomMorrow said:
im a democrat. i care about how EVERYONE is doing lol

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeease......:hurl:

This thread has one answer and one answer alone...."Disney owns the parks and they can do what they want"....then again...I forget it has already been said....I just don't understand why people don't get it....

If guest don't like it, don't visit....that will get Disney's attention. I for one think that Disney should implement a system where each resort area allows guest to have unlimited fastpass queue access for all the attractions in the corresponding resort area park.
 

PagingTomMorrow

New Member
objr said:
Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeease......:hurl:

This thread has one answer and one answer alone...."Disney owns the parks and they can do what they want"....then again...I forget it has already been said....I just don't understand why people don't get it....

If guest don't like it, don't visit....that will get Disney's attention. I for one think that Disney should implement a system where each resort area allows guest to have unlimited fastpass queue access for all the attractions in the corresponding resort area park.

are you an aristocrat?
 

Lauriebar

Well-Known Member
PagingTomMorrow said:
yeah see not everyone is on a deluxe budget

But, the point you are missing is that this is a Capitalist society and that is how it works. The alternative is that all people get everything equally no matter what and that in itself is unfair.

Arguing that it isn't fair that someone can't afford a certain amenity so therefore no one should have it is ridiculous.


You pay to play, that is the American Way.
 

PagingTomMorrow

New Member
Lauriebar said:
But, the point you are missing is that this is a Capitalist society and that is how it works. The alternative is that all people get everything equally no matter what and that in itself is unfair.

Arguing that it isn't fair that someone can't afford a certain amenity so therefore no one should have it is ridiculous.


You pay to play, that is the American Way.


*moves to a cave in new zealand*
 

Shaman

Well-Known Member
Lauriebar said:
But, the point you are missing is that this is a Capitalist society and that is how it works. The alternative is that all people get everything equally no matter what and that in itself is unfair.

Arguing that it isn't fair that someone can't afford a certain amenity so therefore no one should have it is ridiculous.


You pay to play, that is the American Way.

Exactly...and for the most part (especially when it comes to something like Themeparks) that is how it should be....

:D
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
PagingTomMorrow said:
he was talking about bus stops at the resorts
How do you know what he was talking about. If he was talking about the bus stops at the resorts then that is even worse. The moderates are more spread out than the values. Not to mention there are rooms even at the Polynesian that are as far from the bus/monorail as any room at a value resort.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
objr said:
If guest don't like it, don't visit....that will get Disney's attention. I for one think that Disney should implement a system where each resort area allows guest to have unlimited fastpass queue access for all the attractions in the corresponding resort area park.

Sounds interesting, but what about the Downtown Disney and Wide World of Sports Resort area hotels.
 

Shaman

Well-Known Member
PagingTomMorrow said:
how about cause you said "oh pleeeeeeeeeease...:hurl: "

And this has what to do with Fastpasses and Disney?

First of all...politicians care about nobody. And just becuase you say you're Democrat doesn't automatically make you Jesus.

BUT

All that being said...maybe we're not understanding your position...maybe we're misunderstanding your posting style....so before you get banned/suspended...just relax....

Lets just chill for a sec....
 

PagingTomMorrow

New Member
objr said:
And this has what to do with Fastpasses and Disney?

First of all...politicians care about nobody. And just becuase you say you're Democrat doesn't automatically make you Jesus.

BUT

All that being said...maybe we're not understanding your position...maybe we're misunderstanding your posting style....so before you get banned/suspended...just relax....

Lets just chill for a sec....

okay then.

heres my case calmly and completely

while i understand that the amenities of deluxe resort guests are much more plentiful and of a higher quality than those of moderate and value resort guests, those amenities dont interfere with the amenities of the moderate or value resort guests.

however, giving hotel guests fastpass priorities such as more than one fastpass at a time, especially when its then made so that deluxe get the most, then moderate, then value, and finally off property guests, will interfere with the day to day enjoyment of the lower guests because more fastpasses will go to the higher "tiers" and then make the lines longer for everyone else making it harder to get on a certain number of rides in one day. im all for more amenities per money you spend, but not when it directly or indirectly interferes with the stays and enjoyment of those who cant/ arent willing to pay as much

i mean its disneyworld and granted its a capitalist society but does that mean we have to incorporate class distinction into EVERY aspect of day to day disney?

and i know politicians care for the most part about #1 lol. i was making a joke
 

csaribay

Member
Oh man... I've been lurking for a long while on these forums, but I just can't read anymore of this before I have my say here.

PagingTomMorrow, I assume you've heard of equal opportunity. I readily understand everything you've said, but I think you truly don't have any respect for customer loyalty and premium revenue. Let me say that I fully believe in equal opportunity- it's what provides for the raw potential of great things in life.

However, I do not and will not ever believe equal outcome.

You see, a reasonable tiered FastPass system at Disney Parks and Resorts is absolutely a great idea. It provides better value for customers who pay more money for premium experiences. Disney is a corporation built on the premise of making money for their stockholders: and making their higher end customers happy helps contribute to the bottom line. Lower end customers (on Value budgets, in this case) are just as important, but they still aren't necessarily contributing as much to the bottom line. For a tiered FastPass system to be completely fair (and it can be fair, regardless of what you think), it needs to be fully reasonable. This means that unlimited passes for Deluxe resort guests are out of the question, but where it comes to Value resort guests having two passes at one time, and deluxe guests having five, this is more in line with reason and the dollar amount payed. Keep in mind that there are capacity controls on FastPasses anyway, so standby line times will not see any difference either way.

Let's take for example two hypothetical boxes of cookies (I wont even dare come close to your comparison of Slavery and FastPasses... that was extremely inappropriate, emotionally insensitive and frankly appalling ), both economic brand (Safeway Select) and deluxe name brand (Dove Chocolate). Both boxes of cookies have the same amount of cookies (roughly), but one obviously costs quite a bit more. The Safeway Select cookies taste alright, but have less sugar and therefore have a less rich taste. Meanwhile, the Dove Cookies are laced in sugar, and are lick smacking delicious with a great rich taste.

Customer A purchases Safeway Select and Customer B purchases Dove. They are both satisfied with their purchases. How could this be though, with us thinking that Customer B had a much sweeter tasting experience?

It's because of price paid. Customer A knows that Customer B will have better cookies, but he will end up paying much less. This is not an unreasonable assertion, and is one that is not unreasonable to compare to price paid to stay a Disney resort. The value customer understands economics for the most part, and goes into the parks knowing that they will not have all the same features as someone paying five times the amount they will. This means they may need to wait a little longer to enter premium (E-Ticket) attractions, but they are still satisfied with the fact that they can still reasonably correlate the price they paid and that of another customer who stayed at a deluxe resort for the experiences they all collectively had.

They both had equal opportunity here. They had the option of choosing their accommodations (and associated features with such), whereby the value customer could save up their pennies until the day they could afford a stay at deluxe resort. However, this value customer sees frequent visits over premium visits to be a greater value, and chooses to take the value resort path. There is nothing wrong with this, and they will get their FastPasses (two simultaneously) while the deluxe resort guest gets theirs (five simultaneously). The outcome is not equal, but this doesn't make it unfair in any one way shape or form.

I think that it's much easier to look narrowly at the issue than considering everything and looking at the much larger picture. Sure, there are a good number of logistic type rules that would likely be implemented (one fast pass per named E-Ticket, per three hours, for example), but if we're only looking at FastPass numbers, we're not going to learn everything we could. This is vital.

I don't think you have a high understanding of economics, but this is how things work in reality. The more you pay, the better you can expect your experiences to be in the long run. Class distinction is not a bad thing, especially in a free world where people can jump classes as often as they provide for themselves.
 

PagingTomMorrow

New Member
csaribay said:
Oh man... I've been lurking for a long while on these forums, but I just can't read anymore of this before I have my say here.

PagingTomMorrow, I assume you've heard of equal opportunity. I readily understand everything you've said, but I think you truly don't have any respect for customer loyalty and premium revenue. Let me say that I fully believe in equal opportunity- it's what provides for the raw potential of great things in life.

However, I do not and will not ever believe equal outcome.

You see, a reasonable tiered FastPass system at Disney Parks and Resorts is absolutely a great idea. It provides better value for customers who pay more money for premium experiences. Disney is a corporation built on the premise of making money for their stockholders: and making their higher end customers happy helps contribute to the bottom line. Lower end customers (on Value budgets, in this case) are just as important, but they still aren't necessarily contributing as much to the bottom line. For a tiered FastPass system to be completely fair (and it can be fair, regardless of what you think), it needs to be fully reasonable. This means that unlimited passes for Deluxe resort guests are out of the question, but where it comes to Value resort guests having two passes at one time, and deluxe guests having five, this is more in line with reason and the dollar amount payed. Keep in mind that there are capacity controls on FastPasses anyway, so standby line times will not see any difference either way.

Let's take for example two hypothetical boxes of cookies (I wont even dare come close to your comparison of Slavery and FastPasses... that was extremely inappropriate, emotionally insensitive and frankly appalling ), both economic brand (Safeway Select) and deluxe name brand (Dove Chocolate). Both boxes of cookies have the same amount of cookies (roughly), but one obviously costs quite a bit more. The Safeway Select cookies taste alright, but have less sugar and therefore have a less rich taste. Meanwhile, the Dove Cookies are laced in sugar, and are lick smacking delicious with a great rich taste.

Customer A purchases Safeway Select and Customer B purchases Dove. They are both satisfied with their purchases. How could this be though, with us thinking that Customer B had a much sweeter tasting experience?

It's because of price paid. Customer A knows that Customer B will have better cookies, but he will end up paying much less. This is not an unreasonable assertion, and is one that is not unreasonable to compare to price paid to stay a Disney resort. The value customer understands economics for the most part, and goes into the parks knowing that they will not have all the same features as someone paying five times the amount they will. This means they may need to wait a little longer to enter premium (E-Ticket) attractions, but they are still satisfied with the fact that they can still reasonably correlate the price they paid and that of another customer who stayed at a deluxe resort for the experiences they all collectively had.

They both had equal opportunity here. They had the option of choosing their accommodations (and associated features with such), whereby the value customer could save up their pennies until the day they could afford a stay at deluxe resort. However, this value customer sees frequent visits over premium visits to be a greater value, and chooses to take the value resort path. There is nothing wrong with this, and they will get their FastPasses (two simultaneously) while the deluxe resort guest gets theirs (five simultaneously). The outcome is not equal, but this doesn't make it unfair in any one way shape or form.

I think that it's much easier to look narrowly at the issue than considering everything and looking at the much larger picture. Sure, there are a good number of logistic type rules that would likely be implemented (one fast pass per named E-Ticket, per three hours, for example), but if we're only looking at FastPass numbers, we're not going to learn everything we could. This is vital.

I don't think you have a high understanding of economics, but this is how things work in reality. The more you pay, the better you can expect your experiences to be in the long run.

true thats a bigger picture but its not the WHOLE picture

ok i skimmed through that and what i got is basically "MAGIC!!!so long as its cost efficient"

that just makes me angry

equal oppurtunity is an illusion that most americans tell themselves is true so that the rich can sleep at night "everyone had the oppurtunity but i took it"
so much goes into determining who has the money and who doesnt that we have almost no control over... youre telling me an inner city kid and a kid born into a $250,000 a year income household in a southern new jersey suburb have the same choice of hotel (let alone even going to disney? and then the innercity kid can afford to go for about 3 days and finds out that cause his family cant afford to stay on property the wealthy people get more oppurtunity to go on rides than him? thats sickening its just plain sickening

maybe its the ramblings of the son of a hippy, maybe its just idealistic youth, but for the sake of my own sanity and well-being i have to believe that humanity isnt that materialistic
 

PagingTomMorrow

New Member
let me add to what i said before


while im pretty opposed to the idea altogether. if its done in a way that isnt drastic such as giving deluxe and moderate resort guests 2 at a time and value resort guests dont have to wait as long to get another that seems reasonable to me. it entices you to stay there while not making things incredibly unfair to everyone else
 

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