Family kicked off ship because 4 month old too young

GrumpyFan

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Original Poster
This is an odd one, but I'm sure there's more to the story:

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/loca...old-baby-was-too-young-to-be-on-ship_34565173

Here's an excerpt:

Everything was going well, Berg said, until Thursday morning, when his 4-month-old granddaughter began spitting up. Berg’s daughter Jennifer Moak brought the infant to the ship’s doctor, who gave her some medicine for seasickness. But just hours later, someone from the doctor’s office phoned Moak’s husband, saying they wanted to do another checkup on the baby.

Instead of a checkup, the doctor then told the couple they would have to disembark, according to the family.

“He said because of her age, she wasn’t supposed to be on the ship and that they would be — I think the word that he used was ‘terminating’ our stay on the ship,” Moak said Monday.

The family said the medical staff cited the baby’s age and need for safety as reasons they could not keep her onboard.

I'm puzzled as to why Disney allowed them to board the ship in the first place. Kicking them off mid-cruise, just sounds really bad. I have to wonder if there was a medical reason given to them, but not necessarily reported in the story.
 

stevehousse

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No I believe the minimum age for the cruises is 6 months or older. I have a newborn and was doing research when she was just born. It's very easy for the family to just lie about her age, a 2 month difference isn't huge, but someone on the ship didn't like it. It's a shame it want caught before they boarded, but rules are rules...
 

RandomPrincess

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No I believe the minimum age for the cruises is 6 months or older. I have a newborn and was doing research when she was just born. It's very easy for the family to just lie about her age, a 2 month difference isn't huge, but someone on the ship didn't like it. It's a shame it want caught before they boarded, but rules are rules...
According to the article it used to be 12 weeks and they just changed it to 6 months. Existing reservations were not to be effected (why they were let on). The doctor kicked them off anyway. They had the baby checked out at a local hospital and she had gas.
 

durangojim

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There's a long thread about this on another site. To sum up:
If the child was not ill the family would have been allowed to stay. The ship's physician determined that the infant may need further medical attention and instructed the family to leave the ship. To all the readers that want to second guess the doc's decision, don't. As I physician I would have done the same thing as a child's health that is that young can go downhill very quickly and there is a long differential of what the child could have had. It's very easy to Monday morning quarterback when it comes to medical issues but when it is your actual repsponsibility to ensure the health of a patient things are rarely simple, not to mention a professional's license may be in jeopardy. As for how the family was treated and what accommodations Disney provided for them off the ship, this is an excellent example of why travel insurance is important when cruising.
 
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Phonedave

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Too many issues with infants getting sick on the ships. At 3 months they have had very few shots and have no immunities except for what they might get if breast fed. A baby so small getting sick at sea is a huge issue.

Plus, as others have said, kids that age can go downhill very quickly, and the equipment and facilities necessary to treat a person that small/young are not part of the ships medical suite.


-dave
 

Disneydreamer23

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Thank you for the response I never thought of it thank way, I was planning on going on a cruise next year with my 3 year old and small baby ( not preg yet) Now I know to plan around that :-) Thank you
 

EOD K9

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Thank you for the response I never thought of it thank way, I was planning on going on a cruise next year with my 3 year old and small baby ( not preg yet) Now I know to plan around that :) Thank you
My twins will be ten months when we take them. Luckily, they will have has as many shots allowed up until that age. We just need to be cautions. Hopefully, there will be no issues.
 

SnarkyMonkey

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I have been readin up about this case and it seems like the parents are disgruntled because their baby became dehydrated, Disney told them they had to leave the ship, and they didn't have travel insurance.

Disney did rush to port for the sake of the child's health. They also got them to a hospital and gave them accomodations in port for the night and helped them to arrange for a flight home.

The family now wants a free crusie. Disney doesn't intend to give them one.
 

HRHPrincessAriel

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I have been readin up about this case and it seems like the parents are disgruntled because their baby became dehydrated, Disney told them they had to leave the ship, and they didn't have travel insurance.

Disney did rush to port for the sake of the child's health. They also got them to a hospital and gave them accomodations in port for the night and helped them to arrange for a flight home.

The family now wants a free crusie. Disney doesn't intend to give them one.
I never understand this....you are so ticked off that you are suing a company yet you want a free cruise on the very company you are suing?
 

sweetpee_1993

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These articles crack me up. The comments following them are even funnier.

First, the family was booked BEFORE the minimum age policy change so they were "grandfathered" in accordingly. If Disney had changed their policy and refused the already booked family passage then we'd be reading an article about how wrong Disney is for not allowing them to sail and how Disney should make it up to them.

Further, the family was not debarked due to the new minimum age policy. They were debarked for the infant's safety, the baby's medical needs. If the baby had stayed onboard and subsequently passed away (dehydration can take little babies FAST) we'd be reading about how Disney killed a baby.

This occured during one of the THE busiest travel times of the year. A holiday sailing. Who's to say the room the family was given wasn't all that could be had? Also, the level of accommodations described was the opinion of the family. Who's to say their level of "acceptable" isn't the Waldorf? In that case, there's pretty much nothing comparable in Nassau.

The family cites they deserved a $1k/night hotel room because that's what they paid for their cruise. How many people were booked into the stateroom to generate the $1k/night price tag? Another factor is that this was a holiday sailing. They cost way more than other sailings. Comparably, I sailed on the same ship (Disney Dream) in a 1-bedroom suite on a 4-night cruise that visited the exact same ports this past September. I paid more along the lines of $675/night.

The ship was on an itinerary that ports in Nassau and Castaway Cay (also located in the Bahamas). Where else would have been suitable for Disney to deliver this family for medical care? Should they have kept a sick infant onboard longer to deliver it to a port even further away? How about tying up a USCG medivac when there might've been a more immediate, pressing emergency? Turned around the ship and returned to the port of embarkation? I'd like to know exactly what the better options were.

I cruise frequently, almost exclusively with Disney. The health & wellbeing of my family is still my responsibility even when I'm onboard one of Disney's ships. Before I ever start my vacation it is MY job, not Disney's, to prepare for whatever might come up during our trip. This is why I buy travel insurance. If an emergency arrises, illness or accident, it's my job to get my family the best care I can and manage the financial repercussions of the unfortunate occurance. Travel insurance will pay for medical care & medical evacuation. It pays for lodging, transportation, and other expenses pertaining to trip interruption due to illness or injury. They even will reimburse me for the rest of the trip I didn't get to enjoy due to the interruption. The travel insurance company issues documents and cards for you to carry with you that have a 24/7 hotline for you to call if/when anything goes awry. They provide assistance with making all necessary arrangements. I buy the travel insurance because it's my responsibility. If anything were to happen Disney's offers of assistance would be appreciated but I promise you I'd be well ahead of them handling whatever is before me. Again, MY job. NOT Disney's job.

I do think if they said their shoreside would handle the arrangements, that should've happened. This the first time I've ever heard otherwise. BUT, if Disney had done a bang-up job of taking care of things the family wouldn't have any need to ask Disney to "make it right", would they?

A fix for this situation would be for Disney to provide travel insurance automatically to every passenger and increase the cruise fares to pay for it. Imagine THAT article, how Disney *forces* it's guests to pay for something they may not even want. ((rolling eyes))

The fact that Disney offered to assist this family at all is above and beyond. If they picked up any expense or reimbursed then I say they did more than plenty. Read the cruise contract. It's not their job. The baby got sick. The ship's doctor did what he felt was the best thing for the baby. It's not Disney's obligation. Disney didn't make that baby sick.

People argue that Disney should never have let the baby onboard if they couldn't handle any health concerns that came up with the baby. People say that this fact makes Disney responsible for this family. Really? The ships have fantastic medical facilities but there ARE things they are NOT equipped to handle with guests of EVERY age. So according to this arguement Disney shouldn't allow ANYONE to board their ship since something may come up that the medical facility can't handle? Or, Disney is suddenly responsible to care for the medical needs of every passenger & their travel party including travel interruption because they allowed them passage? Really? That's laughable.

Also, consider what you are actually reading. You are reading 1 side of a story as retold thru the media. If the story wasn't made to be emotional nobody would read it. Disney hasn't & won't comment with their side of the story due to privacy.

Of course the family wants Disney to "make it right". That's a lot easier than looking at each other and asking "what could we have done differently". I hate that this family had this happen to them. I understand the gravity of their situation cruising with a sick loved one to create memories before time runs out. But, really, even if Disney had put these people up in the MJ suite at Atlantis then medivac'd them to Miami in a private jet, the trip would still have been interrupted and THAT would've been the memories of the trip. Disney cannot fix that the baby got sick and the trip was interrupted. Even if at this point Disney gave this family a free cruise in the Walt suite, it wouldn't change what happened. It wouldn't really make up for it. Would we read about THAT in the media? Not likely.
 

RandomPrincess

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I never get travel insurance - but we only travel in US so it's never been an issue. After reading about this I will for sure be getting travel insurance for any cruises or other out of country trips with our kids. When we were little my sister broke her arm on one vacation and brother got his hand stuck in a revolving door in Mexico. Anything could happen.
 

sweetpee_1993

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I never get travel insurance - but we only travel in US so it's never been an issue. After reading about this I will for sure be getting travel insurance for any cruises or other out of country trips with our kids. When we were little my sister broke her arm on one vacation and brother got his hand stuck in a revolving door in Mexico. Anything could happen.

I read an article a few years ago about a guy on a shore excursion in like Turkey or something who tripped and hit his head. Had stitches. But then he ended up with a more extensive brain injury that required medical evac from some other far-away country. Just the medical flight was something like a quarter of a million bucks. If you look at your health insurance you'll see that often there's not coverage in other countries AND the medical transport coverage isn't all that much. Aside from the injury itself, the financial repercussions are potentially devastating to a family. It makes an unfortunate to tragic occurance even worse. So for my family, travel outside the country must include travel insurance. I buy mine from a secondary source, not Disney, because I can get better coverage for less $$. Definitely worth shopping! Also, check your credit cards. I've heard some offer travel insurance or options to buy travel insurance for reduced cost. ;)
 

SnarkyMonkey

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I thought it was a little entitled that they complained about the quality of hotel that Disney put them up in during a medical emergency. Disney didn't have to pay for them to stay anywhere!
 

Bolna

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@sweetpee_1993 those are great points! When I buy travel insurance, I always make sure that I do have a lot of cover for the worst case scenario - like being stranded in a foreign country without being able to be transported back home. There was recently a story about a couple from the UK who travelled to New York. She was pregnant and had her baby prematurely. The baby needs to stay in the hospital in New York for 3 months. The story was about that the couple was faced with costs of 200.000 $ and problem with the travel insurance that only covered the mother, not the baby. Made me think twice about traveling while pregnant...
 

sweetpee_1993

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What is it about DCL, that once they board the ship, makes parents feel entitled to everything including bending the rules and making up stories all because 'we have a kid'?
Don't you know??? When you step on Disney soil or boat you are suddenly partial owner of the company. LOL!

I love how people act like Disney is a bottomless wallet. There IS a point where "no" has to happen. ;)
 

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