Expand Peter Pan's Flight!!!

[Scuttle]

Ok I know WDW purists would want to kill me for this, but I say expand Peter Pan's Flight. Get rid of Mickeys Philhar Magic and expand Peter Pan into that show building as well. I love Philhar, but come on PP needs this so bad and it could def. work. It could double the capacity of PP and also give a chance for a refurb and extending the ride and adding new show scenes. It could also have a new exit closer over to the Carousel, so it would help with the capacity issue by the skyway building as well. I feel like this would be so incredible! Any thoughts anybody?

 

[Thrill]

Peter Pan's Flight doesn't need to be expanded, just cleaned up with new effects added.

And as you mention Philharmagic, there's an attraction that could be expanded. A new sequence based on another Disney classic would be great. Adding it shouldn't be terribly difficult, and such a sequence could be removed during busier times when capacity becomes an issue.

 

[Mickey92]

Ok I know WDW purists would want to kill me for this, but I say expand Peter Pan's Flight. Get rid of Mickeys Philhar Magic and expand Peter Pan into that show building as well. I love Philhar, but come on PP needs this so bad and it could def. work. It could double the capacity of PP and also give a chance for a refurb and extending the ride and adding new show scenes. It could also have a new exit closer over to the Carousel, so it would help with the capacity issue by the skyway building as well. I feel like this would be so incredible! Any thoughts anybody?

+1!!! Im saying this as I have a Peter Pan craving atm listening to everything peter pan, watching peter pan etc Great idea though!

 

[Monty]

Making the ride longer doesn't double capacity. Changing the load speed does.

I honestly don't think there would be enough scenes to add to the ride to fill that much more space anyway.

Besides, I like PhilharMagic. :shrug:

 

[WondersOfLife]

Perhaps expand it, but basically change everything after the flight over london scene.


Replace the boring tiny dolls with real scenes and animatronics like goin out of the bedroom scene and the pirate fighting scene during the ride. I have no hatred or like for phillharmagic, but if it were to be replaced, I wouldn't care as every time I've been there, the queue line is waisted space as it is basically never used.

 

[Scuttle]

Making the ride longer doesn't double capacity. Changing the load speed does.

I honestly don't think there would be enough scenes to add to the ride to fill that much more space anyway.

Besides, I like PhilharMagic. :shrug:[/QUO

How do you figure? It's not a stop and go loader. It would totally add capacity.

 

[marni1971]

Fix and update what needs doing, and add the double car and ride system from Paris.

 

[NewfieFan]

Perhaps expand it, but basically change everything after the flight over london scene.


Replace the boring tiny dolls with real scenes and animatronics like goin out of the bedroom scene and the pirate fighting scene during the ride. I have no hatred or like for phillharmagic, but if it were to be replaced, I wouldn't care as every time I've been there, the queue line is waisted space as it is basically never used.

I've never seen a queue line either! I always chuckle when Pooh gives out bonus FPs for it... you can walk right in!

 

[Lee]

Eh....:shrug:
The Peter Pan ride became irrelevant to me when Uni gave us the ET Adventure. Same concept, done way better.
(Like how MiB totally makes Buzz look like a waste of time.)

 

[unkadug]

Making the ride longer doesn't double capacity. Changing the load speed does.

I honestly don't think there would be enough scenes to add to the ride to fill that much more space anyway.

Besides, I like PhilharMagic. :shrug:

How do you figure? It's not a stop and go loader. It would totally add capacity.

It would only add capacity if they also added more vehicles. Just making the track longer would NOT increase capacity.

 

[Monty]

Making the ride longer doesn't double capacity. Changing the load speed does.

I honestly don't think there would be enough scenes to add to the ride to fill that much more space anyway.

Besides, I like PhilharMagic. :shrug:

How do you figure? It's not a stop and go loader. It would totally add capacity.

If the ride vehicles load at one every 30 seconds, making the ride longer won't change that. They basically load the vehicles as fast as they can, so lengthening the ride would only change the length of time you're on the ride after you've loaded at the same speed as always.

Changing capacity requires that the vehicles travel faster through load, which has nothing to do with how long the ride is.

 

[unkadug]

If the ride vehicles load at one every 30 seconds, making the ride longer won't change that. They basically load the vehicles as fast as they can, so lengthening the ride would only change the length of time you're on the ride after you've loaded at the same speed as always.

Changing capacity requires that the vehicles travel faster through load, which has nothing to do with how long the ride is.

I know this a moot point...but hypothetically speaking, if you added more cars (and enlarged the loading dock) they could feasibly load cars two at a time. Loading two cars every 30 seconds without changing the speed of the ride would increase capacity. It would be like increasing the size of the ride vehicle to hold twice the people without changing the vehicles themselves.

 

[Monty]

I know this a moot point...but hypothetically speaking, if you added more cars (and enlarged the loading dock) they could feasibly load cars two at a time. Loading two cars every 30 seconds without changing the speed of the ride would increase capacity. It would be like increasing the size of the ride vehicle to hold twice the people without changing the vehicles themselves.

Physics...

To double the load capacity you double the speed the cars travel through load or have two load lines moving at the same speed. As an example, Dinosaur reduces capacity when things are slow by only loading one side instead of both. The same number of vehicles pass through the one side as before, but they've cut capacity in half. The cars load as quickly as the old riders get off and the new riders get on, the speed doesn't change.

At Peter Pan, the ride vehicles go through load nose-to-tail and are loaded as fast as they can be loaded. A longer load line at the same speed wouldn't change capacity. A longer load line moving faster would, but then you run into problems with people not moving fast enough to catch up with the vehicle they're directed to and risk injuries.

 

[pumpkin7]

nooo, it doesn't need to be longer. it's long enough! philarmagic is awesome, i hope they don't touch that any time soon.

 

[RonAnnArbor]

+1 for the Double Car and ride system from PPF Disneyland Paris....although even there the lines tend to be 40-60 minutes at peak times....but that's a far cry from the 60-90 minutes that is the norm at PPF at WDW...

As to making the ride longer -- no way - it's long enough. It is what it is, and is one of the remaining original rides designed by Walt. It's not going to be changed anytime soon.

As to Philharmagic, it's also not going anywhere. It's become one of the most popular attractions at the park, and it handles huge volumes of people in 20-minute turnovers....its exactly the kind of thing they are going to be doing more of down the road to improve crowd flow...

This entire thread is hypothetical, so it's fun to venture guesses. But your not going to see any changes in what you have in that part of the park. The investment is going into the NEW expansion, and the hope that it will draw guests back into that part of the park and alleviate some of the traffic flow problems and lines in the old Fantasyland area.

 

[WondersOfLife]

Eh....:shrug:
ET Adventure. Same concept, done way better.

And E.T. is even outdated, low maintainence, and needs a good dusting..


The shows you how bad Peter Pan's Flight is, yet it always has a full queue line...:ROFLOL:

 

[Scuttle]

It would only add capacity if they also added more vehicles. Just making the track longer would NOT increase capacity.

Of course add more ships duh! I thought everyone assumed that's what I meant by expanding it

 

[Crockett]

A long shot in the dark...

In a *perfect* world: (as if this would ever happen)

1. Remove PPF from Fantasyland alltogether
2. Add new section to MK called Never-Never Land
3. Re-add PPF to the NNL section with updated effects, animatronics, while still keeping all the elements that we love of the original version.
4. Have other attractions in NNL as well such as a Skull Rock play area, Lost Boys treehouse area, pirate ship...I know this is just dreaming, but roll with it.

And the most important part: Use the former space in FantasyLand where PPF used to sit and...BRING BACK TOAD HALL!!

 

[unkadug]

In a *perfect* world: (as if this would ever happen)

1. Remove PPF from Fantasyland alltogether
2. Add new section to MK called Never-Never Land
3. Re-add PPF to the NNL section with updated effects, animatronics, while still keeping all the elements that we love of the original version.
4. Have other attractions in NNL as well such as a Skull Rock play area, Lost Boys treehouse area, pirate ship...I know this is just dreaming, but roll with it.

And the most important part: Use the former space in FantasyLand where PPF used to sit and...BRING BACK TOAD HALL!!

And an all new Pleasure Island!

 

[MichWolv]

Of course add more ships duh! I thought everyone assumed that's what I meant by expanding it

A longer track with more vehicles does add capacity to the building, but doesn't put more people through the attraction. If one car loads every 10 seconds and holds 2 people, the attraction's hourly throughput will be 2 people x 6 cars per minute x 60 minutes per hour or 720 people per hour no matter how long the actual ride is.

You can add throughput to the ride simply by doubling the track without adding scenes to the attraction. Adding scenes will make the ride better, but not necessarily put more people through it.