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Evac from SSE-How?
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jmvd20
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I would say that all localities require sprinklers now, however I have ran projects in places that adopted versions of codes that were almost a decade old which is why it is never a good idea to say all areas require something or not. Most areas use a revision of NFPA-1, however there are other sources that govern it as well.
It is not just Disney that requires sprinklers, look around any public use buildings built recently and you will find they have sprinklers installed in them. Within the next few years residential homes will also be required to have sprinkler systems installed in certain areas at least.
jmvd20
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the info, I never looked for anything but they most likely try to make it blend in with everything else. They even have breakaway panels now to hide the sprinkler heads.
Possibly, the evolution of building codes over the years is very murky to say the least. Different states and even different localities inside of the same state can adopt different standards. I have never read all of the EPCOT codes but I have seen a few of the books from some contractors who have worked with them. I am fairly certain it was the EPCOT 2002 revision of the fire and electrical codes which used NFPA-1 and NFPA-70 as the standards. Most localities use these as the minimums and then add their own little "upgrades" to them.
I have heard numerous times that the original NFPA-5000 (basically life safety) was born from EPCOT codes, if that is indeed true then they would have been at least one of the first places to require suppression systems.
I have thought about it before but I just can't pony up the $170.00 for the EPCOT codes when I will most likely never use them, then again I am staring at 2 bookcases right now full of nothing but code books... yep, I read some exciting stuff... :dazzle:
WDWRLD
Active Member
I have read some articles on the fire monitoring systems used throughout the WDW property. In my reading one publication stated that the fire and smoke detection system used at wdw is so advanced that in most instances the fire dept would know something at any given location was happening before the CM's running the ride would.
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
see below
If you are lucky and have a one in a million chance of riding the service elevator. That would make my trip.
Jackie... any progress my friend :wave:
brkgnews
Well-Known Member
Not at the moment. I'm going to have to pull out the 500Gig portable drive. :lol:
brkgnews
Well-Known Member
Uploaded to Flickr, so they should be more stable now...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brkgnews/sets/72157614856769956/
Enjoy! (And apologies for the crappy cell pix... it was rather unexpected. :lol:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brkgnews/sets/72157614856769956/
Enjoy! (And apologies for the crappy cell pix... it was rather unexpected. :lol:
Edisto Pluto
New Member
During the week before Christmas we had to walk out from the apex. My 78 year old mother had to as well. I must say the steps were gradual and lighting was adequate. They did the best they could. Intersting but we certainly don't want to do it again.
Fade_to_Blah
Member
Very cool. Thanks for putting those up
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
Thanks Jackie. Sorry for all the trouble. :wave:
Having a close friend work inside SSE has its advantages
SSE does have fire supression built in, if you pay CLOSE attention or get on the ride when its not busy and take a flashlight (hehe yeah I've done this) you can see, albeit hidden, the systems pipes and sprinkler heads in place.
I'm willing to bet somewhere underground in the service tunnel there is a valve to turn the system off once the system is activatedi
SSE does have fire supression built in, if you pay CLOSE attention or get on the ride when its not busy and take a flashlight (hehe yeah I've done this) you can see, albeit hidden, the systems pipes and sprinkler heads in place.
I'm willing to bet somewhere underground in the service tunnel there is a valve to turn the system off once the system is activatedi
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Interestingly enough, now that the lighting has been changed, it's quite easy to see, much to my chagrin.
theadmiral459
Member
I was evacuated from SSE on the descent down and I'll tell you when those vehicles are on that steep grade it's harder than hell to try to stand up alone and I had to pick up my daughter also and then pull myself up to get on the stairs to walk down and also notice how dirty is was with the lights on.
disfan411
Active Member
I was on SSE once and I was at the very top when it broke down and had to be evacuated. They came around and let us out of the cars and we had to walk down the stairs that are there. It was actually really cool since we were at the top and had to walk all those stairs. We stopped to take pictures at the signs that were in the stairwell saying what floor or level we were at and the evac signs.
bugsbunny
Well-Known Member
Sprinklers are no guarantee that a fire will be stopped. They are designed and put in according to the EXISTING usage of the space and fireload. As time goes on and things change, the fireload could go up or down and if the system is not adjusted with it, it might not even be enough to hold the fire in check until the FD gets there. WDW has some of the highest standards in the WORLD when it comes to fire safety. In fact, most of the NFPA stuff and other fire codes specifically reference EPCOT, believe it or not.
But.....think about this part. You are on it, it stops, its really an emergency! Time to bail out and get down the steps to safety NOW.....
As you make you move, you realize that a 600 pound scooter rider is in front of you and the emergency stairs are completely blocked as they ineptly try to get this person out of a ride vehicle. Or if they got him/her to the stairs, they are now holding up EVERYONE from making it outside. What do you do? Stop and help? and moan that you are all going to die? Talk about a panic situation. You safely gather up your kids and are hustling and now.......one step every 10 seconds while the whole stairs are blocked up.
Emergencies happen. I got 15+ years with fire and rescue. It doesn't conveniently happen where and when you want. In cases like that, you get to really see what people are really made of and if Mr. Spock was right or wrong when he said "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one".
Prays it never happens, but its something to think about. Could you die simply becuase you are too "big boned" to use a fire escape? Seriously, I'm not trying to be mean or evil. Its reality and I hope some people wake up to their un-physical statures. I read that one of the evac plans for the monorail is to open the hatch and get on the roof. Could you do it? Could you climb up and out or would you wait for inevitable?
Once again, not trying to be mean. Its an awful subject to talk about, but having faced it for 15+ years I know that everyday Americans are simply unprepared and PANIC VERY EASILY.
But.....think about this part. You are on it, it stops, its really an emergency! Time to bail out and get down the steps to safety NOW.....
As you make you move, you realize that a 600 pound scooter rider is in front of you and the emergency stairs are completely blocked as they ineptly try to get this person out of a ride vehicle. Or if they got him/her to the stairs, they are now holding up EVERYONE from making it outside. What do you do? Stop and help? and moan that you are all going to die? Talk about a panic situation. You safely gather up your kids and are hustling and now.......one step every 10 seconds while the whole stairs are blocked up.
Emergencies happen. I got 15+ years with fire and rescue. It doesn't conveniently happen where and when you want. In cases like that, you get to really see what people are really made of and if Mr. Spock was right or wrong when he said "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one".
Prays it never happens, but its something to think about. Could you die simply becuase you are too "big boned" to use a fire escape? Seriously, I'm not trying to be mean or evil. Its reality and I hope some people wake up to their un-physical statures. I read that one of the evac plans for the monorail is to open the hatch and get on the roof. Could you do it? Could you climb up and out or would you wait for inevitable?
Once again, not trying to be mean. Its an awful subject to talk about, but having faced it for 15+ years I know that everyday Americans are simply unprepared and PANIC VERY EASILY.