EPCOT: What would you add or change?

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Jabbas

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A couple of people on this forum told me not to eat at two sit down restaurants (lunch and dinner) because I would need two full days to see everything at EPCOT. I was done seeing everything just from being there at park opening til 5. Not that Epcot was a bad park, its probably my favorite after MK its that more than 8 hours there for me was overkill. I was very disappointed with the Italy pavilion. Not sure how long its been since they've added a new country but two new ones wouldn't hurt. Maybe a few rides, too. Good rides are what Epcot is lacking. Next time I won't even bother with future world unless I have a child with me.
 
G8rchamps

G8rchamps

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What was so wrong with the "old" rides that took a look into history and how we got where we are. The problem with trying to be futuristic is that we will always catch up to the ride. Give me back a people eater or two and put the coaster in Japan! (Oh and get rid of Ellen and keep Figment somehow)
 
FigmentJedi

FigmentJedi

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Fix Imagination and make it a full immersion into the world of Figment and the Dreamfinder. Rework/repurpose Tapestry of Dreams's Dreamseekers as side characters for the new 3D film and as additional streetmosphere for some improv-based small show ala World Showcase Players.

Soarin Over the World at The Land pavilion and a Weather pavilion as a new neighbor, use James Cameron's powers for good and make the Living Seas futuristic again seeing as he loves technology and ocean exploration, revive Wonders of Life with a reworked Cranium Command taking cues from Pixar's Inside Out, expand Mission Space into more of a proper pavilion with a dark ride hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson, update Universe of Energy but keep Bill Nye, and a new version of Horizons.

As far as World Showcase goes, it really needs some damn rides. Follow the lead of Maelstrom or what the first room of El Rio del Tiempo were trying to do and take inspiration from folklore, literature and mythology of different countries to create interesting attractions. Something with Yokai in Japan, maybe dust off the Charles Dickens plans for the UK, hell I've had the idea in my head for a while of an Egypt pavilion with an attraction inspired by Ra's daily journey across the skies of Egypt and traveling through the Underworld.
 
Ben_since_1971

Ben_since_1971

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- Update the energy pavilion
- I like the Soarin over the East Coast idea
- Add a new country or two, or rotate among several nations
- Bring back Lights of Winter
- Do SOMETHING with the Imagination pavilion. I haven't been there in years. What is keeping someone there from coming up with a bright idea?? :p
- Maybe add some unpredictability to Mission:Space?? Don't know how logistically possible, but if they could re-do Star Tours, why not M:S?
- Either drop the price on the Leave a Legacy tiles so they can fill up the rest of the monuments, or get rid of them completely (move them somewhere else).
 
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wdwfan4ver

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-update the energy
-fix imagination
-Move parts of Food and Wine Festival out of Wonders of Life Pavilion and put that into World Showcase instead.
-Wonders of life being used for attractions again.
-Circle of Life attraction gets replaced.
-Innoventions gets redone.
-Mount Fuji attraction gets added to Japan.
 
Figments Friend

Figments Friend

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The Empress Lilly said:
Remove everything added in the last twenty years, flog the people responsible, restore EPCOT Center.
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Well that there sums it all up perfectly.
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My suggestions...

- Progress City....on steroids. Live the Dream.

- A return to the promising spirit of the past , but in a updated arena to appeal to today*s Guest to once again inspire and empower them.

- Truly new presentations...executed on a high level in both scope and dynamics, intellectually as well as physically.

- Revamp the Imagination Pavilion into a stellar creative combination of attractions/activities that bring the whimsy sorely missed into the present ( and future! ) with a worthy experience truly *imaginative*.

- Add additional countries or areas to World Showcase ( M&Gs do NOT count..!)

- Re-purpose/Re-theme the ex-WoL Pavilion.

- Hire/Promote within leadership to be present at the proper high level(s) internally within the Company to make such things happen.


(The last item on the list is likely the most difficult challenge of all..!)
 
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morningstar

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Make Future World about the future. In looking to the future, we shouldn't look to the past. So the idea should not be to "restore" all pavilions to their 1980s glory. The idea should be to innovate. I also reject character tie-ins. Wall-E is cool, and if there was a Disney character suited for Epcot, he's it, but still I want to see the best representation of the future Imagineers can create, not one that tries to mimic something from a movie.

- Make Nemo much less prominent in The Seas. Crush can stay. Don't just restore Seabase Alpha, add some new ideas.

- Put some new agricultural technology into The Land. Discuss organic vs. genetic modification. Talk about growing plants not just for food but for energy in the form of ethanol or biodiesel. How about plants with pharmaceutical uses?

- New Imagination ride, but still the same concept with Figment. Dreamfinder optional, as long as it's good. But the really big change should be to redo Image Works. Don't just update the old gags, go back to the drawing board and design some interactive creativity exhibits that we've never imagined before.

- Close Universe of Energy. I really like the dinosaurs but it isn't the future. Replace it with some new pavilion with some future theme.

- Retheme Mission: Space at the least. Going to Mars is just not ambitious enough. The mission is really the same one as in 1969: launch on a rocket, wear a spacesuit. Only the destination has changed. We should be thinking about going to Europa or Alpha Centauri.

- Replace Test Track. There is little to no future message there. A transportation-themed pavilion is appropriate, but focus on public transit or alternative energy based transportation.

- Put a different ride inside the golf ball. I guess a lot of people will be upset by that, but it isn't about the future. How about delve into the concept of "Spaceship Earth"? We are stuck on this ride, and we need to make sure our "life support systems" keep functioning. Make a ride themed around how the whole Earth is a complex system and keeping all the parts working in harmony is important, and how going into the future we are going to do better about that.
 
The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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morningstar said:
Make Future World about the future. In looking to the future, we shouldn't look to the past. So the idea should not be to "restore" all pavilions to their 1980s glory. The idea should be to innovate. I also reject character tie-ins. Wall-E is cool, and if there was a Disney character suited for Epcot, he's it, but still I want to see the best representation of the future Imagineers can create, not one that tries to mimic something from a movie.

- Make Nemo much less prominent in The Seas. Crush can stay. Don't just restore Seabase Alpha, add some new ideas.

- Put some new agricultural technology into The Land. Discuss organic vs. genetic modification. Talk about growing plants not just for food but for energy in the form of ethanol or biodiesel. How about plants with pharmaceutical uses?

- New Imagination ride, but still the same concept with Figment. Dreamfinder optional, as long as it's good. But the really big change should be to redo Image Works. Don't just update the old gags, go back to the drawing board and design some interactive creativity exhibits that we've never imagined before.

- Close Universe of Energy. I really like the dinosaurs but it isn't the future. Replace it with some new pavilion with some future theme.

- Retheme Mission: Space at the least. Going to Mars is just not ambitious enough. The mission is really the same one as in 1969: launch on a rocket, wear a spacesuit. Only the destination has changed. We should be thinking about going to Europa or Alpha Centauri.

- Replace Test Track. There is little to no future message there. A transportation-themed pavilion is appropriate, but focus on public transit or alternative energy based transportation.

- Put a different ride inside the golf ball. I guess a lot of people will be upset by that, but it isn't about the future. How about delve into the concept of "Spaceship Earth"? We are stuck on this ride, and we need to make sure our "life support systems" keep functioning. Make a ride themed around how the whole Earth is a complex system and keeping all the parts working in harmony is important, and how going into the future we are going to do better about that.
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Remove the past from EPCOT's rides to focus on the future?

But...as the Spanish philosopher Jorge Santayana said, "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it". There is no future without the past. How can there be a sense of progress if the trend, the progression, is unknown? There is only change.

The question (of SSE) 'in what direction does communication move' is to ask about its past. The way that to ask in what direction a car is headed means to establish from where it came and at what speed it is travelling.
 
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morningstar

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The Empress Lilly said:
Remove the past from EPCOT's rides to focus on the future?

But...as the Spanish philosopher Jorge Santayana said, "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it". There is no future without the past. How can there be a sense of progress if the trend, the progression, is unknown? There is only change.

The question (of SSE) 'in what direction does communication move' is to ask about its past. The way that to ask in what direction a car is headed means to establish from where it came and at what speed it is travelling.
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I only suggest a very narrow focus to remedy the park's current lack of focus. Even though the name is Future World, the park's original focus was science and technology, not necessarily the future. Three past-oriented rides were there at the beginning: SSE, World of Motion, and Universe of Energy, but there were also future-oriented rides. Horizons is gone, and the futuristic story has been pasted over at The Seas by Nemo and friends. Most of the pavilions now seem to be about science and technology of the present.

In fact as you say it would be okay to leave one attraction that alludes to the past's role in the future, which would probably be SSE. In the same way it's appropriate to keep Imagination, which is not explicitly about the future, but is of course a necessary ingredient. But Ellen's Energy Adventure and Test Track should go to make way for more futuristic rides.
 
Kurt Hauk

Kurt Hauk

Member
1) Return Journey into the imagination to its original state in its entirety including the area after the ride.


2) Refurbish the theater that now houses the captain EO show to be a simulation 3D theater similar to Despicable Me: Minion Mayhem in universal studios. Allow the ride/show to be reformatted easily to change the show every 5 years or so to a different theme.


3) Go full out in creating a new e-ticket ride that would be built between mission space and universe of energy. Something like an enclose roller coaster with a 3D screen that would have 5 or so different themes that would follow the same track or even have 2-3 different tracks and multiple themes for each track.


4) Build a new country between China and Germany. I'm thinking maybe Australia would be a nice touch.
 
WDWoptmist

WDWoptmist

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I absolutely love Epcot but if I had full control there is a ton I would do with it.
First thing is first bring back the original Journey into Imagination!
I would expand the UK pavilion to have distinct England, Ireland, and Scottland sections.
I would also add a two new countries (Greece and Russia)
Horizons would come back
Captain EO would be gone and replaced with something more current
The Living Seas would be greatly revamped and focus on the aquarium with the ride maybe just being what draws people in
Universe of Energy would get a major revamping if not demolished for something else (I like UoE but it's always empty over there such a waste of space)
And finally Soarin would get a new screen and of course a new damn movie that makes more sense
I would open up the Odyssey restaurant again but it would be a taste of the world kind of deal maybe trying things from countries not represented in WS?
Man I guess I would change a lot lol :) I still love Epcot though!!!
 
stewdog1

stewdog1

Active Member
A new Horizons. It can be done. Horizons was an updated Carousel of Progress.

Fix Imagination

Universe of Energy - if done right, this still has the possibility to wow people. But they have to make the effort.

Fix or restore the ending of Spaceship Earth.

Do something with the Wonders of Life pavilion. Put the New Horizons there.

It's amazing that we find EPCOT in such a state that all it needs is attention to what is already there to make it a great park again. Yet, TPTB don't care.
 
NemoRocks78

NemoRocks78

Seized
- Energy update
- Imagination update with Dreamfinder returning and ImageWorks upstairs (and bring back HISTA :p )
- Huge update for WoL - bring it up to times with a great show, healthy restaurant, and thrill ride
- Bulldoze M:S and replace it with a weather pavilion
- Finish the SSE finale
- Something new for The Land - maybe a Circle of Life update? And Soarin' HD upgrade
- Get a Tim Horton's open in Canada :hungry:
- Add Brazil and Russia as WS countries
- Ratatouille ride in France
 

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