Epcot & DHS rumors from Screamscape

Texas84

Texas84

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The dark ride part of RSR is actually really well done, if you like the dark ride. Might get more kids in DHS. The Monsters Inc dark ride is fun as well even though it's showing some wear and tear last year.
 
RunnerEd

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Greetings from tomorrow! Here in Kandahar where it's almost 0700, I already sort of, kind of, know the future maybe a little bit. Yes I keep up with time zones so I know when to call home or chat with the family.

Going back a page or two, it seems like if RSR would be built in DHS, it would not be the attraction that would be hurting. Imagine that Cars Land/DHS becomes a major draw; not that big of a stretch. A person/group goes there and rides RSR on Tuesday of their vacation. Wednesday, they go to EPCOT. With it's lack of details like, say, mountains shaped like Cadillac tail fins, waterfalls, bridges, a race with another vehicle, does anyone believe that RSR will be compared to TT or will it actually be the other way around? I believe the presence of RSR would make TT go from a premier E ticket to a D- or a C+ attraction overnight. That would make Epcot look even more stale than it already does. That may be why RSR would be not on the table for Florida; the law of unintended consequences.
 
RSoxNo1

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lebeau said:
Every time I think about DHS' problems, I get frustrated. The park has several fundamental problems; not enough attractions (especially rides), haphazard layout, lack of cohesiveness, etc.

You can throw more attractions at it. That's the easy fix. But Disney has been dragging its feet on even that. As badly needed as new rides are (especially family-friendly rides with no height restriction), you have to be careful about what you add and how you add it. Just randomly throwing attractions at DHS because they don't fit in any other park is exactly how DHS got to be the mess it is.

Disney needs a long-term strategy for the park. Yes, they need to add new rides. They should have been adding new rides consistently since the park opened. But they need to start doing it in a smart way. They will never fully be able to fix the park's layout or lack of cohesiveness. But with some planning, they can improve the flow of the park instead of making it worse than it already is.

DAK needs a lot of attention. And Epcot is embarassingly stale. But DHS should be Disney's top priority. That park needs an overhaul almost as much as DCA did.
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The difference here is that I think Disney's Animal Kingdom just needs more rides. DHS needs more rides and a modified theme.
 
Darth Sidious

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George said:
I still want a more varied Pixar Place, but I won't complain if they go all out and the Cars addition is well done.....The Soarin' rumor is good. I'll give Screamscape credit. They leave rumors up for a long time, so you can ogle them and go, "Oh yeah....I forgot there was talk about JttCotE coming to DAK", and whatnot.
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Agreed, why make Radiator Springs only to have no RSR and a Planes ride? I say just make a top notch Pixar Place expansion.
 
IWant2GoNow

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If they don't want to duplicate Cars Land, which I've been against in the past, then I really enjoy the thought of having a well-themed Cars dark ride to add to Pixar Place. Then just begin adding in the obvious things to broaden Pixar Place into a true land of MULTIPLE Pixar movie attractions. Move Laugh Floor & do Bug's Life play area as we've said before, MI suspended family coaster, bring Pizza Planet over, make a nice sit-down Ratatouille themed restaurant & get Remy out of the France pavilion, & lastly I would go with a Crush Coaster but themed to The Incredibles.

Sorry for the wish list. I haven't posted in a while because I've not heard much out of Disney that will really "wow" anyone. I am obviously not connected in any way so I'm sure there are plenty of things behind the scenes going on. I'm really just waiting around until D23 because everything seems to be extremely fluid lately. And if D23 comes & goes with not much to show & far off opening dates, I won't be a bit surprised. I'm gonna have to go with the "Prove me wrong, Disney" approach again. They've not done it yet but I'm still holding on to hope that they will.

EDIT: Changed my mistake of Italy to France pavilion. Where's the facepalm smiley?
 
jt04

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lebeau said:
Every time I think about DHS' problems, I get frustrated. The park has several fundamental problems; not enough attractions (especially rides), haphazard layout, lack of cohesiveness, etc.

You can throw more attractions at it. That's the easy fix. But Disney has been dragging its feet on even that. As badly needed as new rides are (especially family-friendly rides with no height restriction), you have to be careful about what you add and how you add it. Just randomly throwing attractions at DHS because they don't fit in any other park is exactly how DHS got to be the mess it is.

Disney needs a long-term strategy for the park. Yes, they need to add new rides. They should have been adding new rides consistently since the park opened. But they need to start doing it in a smart way. They will never fully be able to fix the park's layout or lack of cohesiveness. But with some planning, they can improve the flow of the park instead of making it worse than it already is.

DAK needs a lot of attention. And Epcot is embarassingly stale. But DHS should be Disney's top priority. That park needs an overhaul almost as much as DCA did.
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Agree with much of this. Except the "haphazard" layout of DHS. I think this can be an advantage. Counter-programming of the symmetry of the MK or Epcot. It is more organic as you would experience in a boom town such as Hollywood no doubt was in the day. (yes, I know much of LA is a grid and this is reflected in the front of the park more or less) I think an asymmetrical layout can be an advantage. This is potentially a reflection of the hills around LA where at least some of the studios are/were if memory serves me.

They need to go with the "studio" lands to bring a sense of coherence overall. Simple and fitting fix. IMO.
 
orky8

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RunnerEd said:
Greetings from tomorrow! Here in Kandahar where it's almost 0700, I already sort of, kind of, know the future maybe a little bit. Yes I keep up with time zones so I know when to call home or chat with the family.

Going back a page or two, it seems like if RSR would be built in DHS, it would not be the attraction that would be hurting. Imagine that Cars Land/DHS becomes a major draw; not that big of a stretch. A person/group goes there and rides RSR on Tuesday of their vacation. Wednesday, they go to EPCOT. With it's lack of details like, say, mountains shaped like Cadillac tail fins, waterfalls, bridges, a race with another vehicle, does anyone believe that RSR will be compared to TT or will it actually be the other way around? I believe the presence of RSR would make TT go from a premier E ticket to a D- or a C+ attraction overnight. That would make Epcot look even more stale than it already does. That may be why RSR would be not on the table for Florida; the law of unintended consequences.
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I disagree. Regardless of whether RSR is brought to the World, TT will continue to be an E Ticket until TDO fixes Epcot to provide more quality attractions again. People have multi-day passes they have to use somewhere, so they will go to Epcot and once there, with current state of most attractions, there really isn't all that much to do. Soarin is nowhere near an E Ticket and should not have nearly the wait it does, but it has that wait because the options of other activities are limited. Compare Soarin in DCA vs EP. For that matter, compare TLM in DCA vs MK. As long as Disney can continue to convince people to go Epcot, TT will continue to have long waits. If your premise is that without TT, Epcot will no longer be a draw, I disagree because the average consumer won't know the difference and has no idea that TT and RSR are the same attraction anymore than they know that HM and TLM are the same.
 
EPCOTCenterLover

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waltdisneywrld1 said:
That's true, but don't forget that 12 of those attractions at DCA are basic amusement park style rides. Bugsland has 4: Heimlich's Chew Chew Train, Francis' Ladybug Boogy, Flik's Flyers, and
Tuck and Roll's drive 'Em Buggies. Carsland has 2: Mater's Junkyard Jamboree, and Luigi's Flying Tires. Finally Paradise Pier has 6: Golden Zephyr, Goofy's Sky School, Jumpin' Jellyfish, King Triton's Carousel, Mickey's Fun Wheel, and Silly Symphony Swings. Now that's not to say they aren't well done rides, DHS could certainly use some of these rides to up the attraction count and give families more rides to go on.
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I was thinking the same thing- these are carnival rides dressed up- not true Disney attractions which tell a story. Part of DCA's original problem. I have to say, though, the new DCA 2.0 is now a way better park than DHS! It really is a surprise what Imagineering could re-imagine. But I wouldn't want these types of rides in any Disney park, carousel aside. And don't waste valuable space in DHS with these either.
 
flynnibus

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Test Track to RSR is nothing...

Do people forget already Body Wars vs Star Tours? It's the exact same attraction with just different video+movement and preshow. Add to that, it had to be compared to BTTF from Uni just up the road.

Disney has done far worse... I think RSR vs TT would be a non-issue. It's more a matter of if RSR is fit for DHS.
 
DocMcHulk

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flynnibus said:
Test Track to RSR is nothing...

Do people forget already Body Wars vs Star Tours? It's the exact same attraction with just different video+movement and preshow. Add to that, it had to be compared to BTTF from Uni just up the road.

Disney has done far worse... I think RSR vs TT would be a non-issue. It's more a matter of if RSR is fit for DHS.
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Journey of the Little Mermaid vs Haunted Mansion
 
flynnibus

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doctornick

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IWant2GoNow said:
Move Laugh Floor & do Bug's Life play area as we've said before, MI suspended family coaster, bring Pizza Planet over, make a nice sit-down Ratatouille themed restaurant & get Remy out of the Italy pavilion, & lastly I would go with a Crush Coaster but themed to The Incredibles.
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???

Remy is in the Chefs restaurant in the France pavilion.
 
#OccupyBeastlyKingdom

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RSoxNo1 said:
The difference here is that I think Disney's Animal Kingdom just needs more rides. DHS needs more rides and a modified theme.
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While it certainly needs a modified theme, I don't think it'll get one. I think it's only going to get messier as it becomes a hodgepodge of franchises united under a general "Entertainment" banner ala Universal Studios Florida.

I'm personally expecting an expanded Pixar Place and a Star Wars land/mini-land by the end of the decade. I don't expect it to be themed further than "DHS: step into your favorite movies!" :p
 
PeterAlt

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Texas84 said:
The Epcot-DHS infrastructure is there :D

Seriously, an Epcot-DHS express launch would be nice but I'm guessing there is no demand for it.
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There's nothing thrilling about a boat. And they're slow. They will have to study what Uni is doing and then do something that's uniquely Disney.
 

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