EPCOT Concept Frozen in Time

mkt

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EPCOT Concept Frozen in Time
Wednesday, July 24, 2002


(The Ledger) -- Not many people remember it, but Walt Disney once envisioned building a domed, air-conditioned city near Orlando. An Associated Press story from Feb. 2, 1967, reported the glass-domed city would take "a quarter of a century to construct."

A film, narrated by Disney shortly before his death, showed a 50-acre city, which would be laid out like a wheel. The hub would be "a 30-story hotel and convention center, with stores, theaters, restaurants, nightclubs and office buildings." Roy Disney, Walt's brother, told reporters the city "would have a completely closed environment with a minimum of traffic. 'The pedestrian will be the king,' Roy Disney said.

High-speed monorails would take workers to the city's business district from three outlying areas.

The dream hit reality's windshield like a love bug. Walt Disney's "Experimental Prototype City of Tomorrow" became the EPCOT attraction at Walt Disney World -- a commercial-sponsored ride that tried to provide a glimpse into the future.

Celebration is another Disney development; homes cost an average of $300,000. It was sold as an old-fashioned neighborhood -- a city of yesteryear.

But Disney now wants to build several hotels and a luxury resort, and double the number of hotel rooms. Residents, including one who develops real estate for a living, are mad.

"We chose Celebration because it was not a resort town and had a community, and didn't have hotels," Beth McIntosh, the real estate developer, told the Orlando Sentinel. "If it's not going to be a community, I'm going to move."

Officials of the Celebration Co., a Disney subsidiary, note that all previous marketing brochures contain the paragraph: "These materials, and all photos, renderings, plans, improvements and amenities depicted or described herein, are subject to change or cancellation (in whole or in part) without notice."

Just like Walt Disney's EPCOT, the dream can transform at any time. EPCOT transformed quickly after Disney's death from a place everyone would want to live to an amusement ride.

Marvin Davis, who worked closely with Disney on the EPCOT concept, went to Roy Disney to discuss the idea after Walt Disney died. "Marvin," Roy Disney is reported to have said, "Walt's dead."

More than 35 years after his death, this scenario is as fresh as today's news. Disney was interested in cyrogenesis, and wondered, according to author Stephen M. Fjellman, if "he could be brought back in time to rectify the mistakes his successors would almost certainly start making at EPCOT the moment he was dead."

The residents of Celebration no doubt wish they could thaw him out.
 

JLW11Hi

Well-Known Member
Hmm...

Oh, yeah, I remember that Epcot ride. it was all about the future. I think it used to be in Tomorrowland?

I think this reporter needs to get his facts straight. :animwink:
 

Pioneer Hall

Well-Known Member
The original Epcot idea has crossed my mind many times, and everytime I think of it I think about what kind of impact it would have had on the world. Walt's ideas would have possibly changed cities around the world. People could have seen what he had and wanted to model after it. Celebration is only a small part of Walt's idea. The houses, hotels, and people were only a beginning to Walt's master plan. He was going to show the world how to run a city. The idea in my opinion wasn't just to run a town it was to try and somehow change the world.
 

Justin

New Member
Does this also show Walt's Dream. In The TTA, I thought when u go in the TTA it takes u through a tunnel and shows his dream of the future, and what he had hoped it to be, Kindof looked impossible to me.
 

Fievel

RunDisney Addict
Who wrote that garbage? Fell out of the "Stupid tree" and hit a few branches on the way down I see......:fork:
 

DMC-12

It's HarmonioUS, NOT HarmoniYOU.
Originally posted by Fievel
Who wrote that garbage? Fell out of the "Stupid tree" and hit a few branches on the way down I see......:fork:

Yeah I know....and nothing like fueling the "Walt is frozen" urban legend...GRRRRRR.
 

Justin

New Member
I know, I have heard all sorts of stupid rumours about Walt Being "Frozen" or his head chopped off, Crap like that, How did he really die?
 

DMC-12

It's HarmonioUS, NOT HarmoniYOU.
Originally posted by Justin
I know, I have heard all sorts of stupid rumours about Walt Being "Frozen" or his head chopped off, Crap like that, How did he really die?

edit: sorry Fievel....did not see your post...:)


cancer...of the lung I think....smoking.....
 

Justin

New Member
Oh ok, Thanx, I would really like to know how, all these stupid things started about him being frozen,and chopped to pieces, etc..... :fork:
 

jaylenofan86

New Member
Thanks for the WTC site DMC-12. I think that the new WTC idea he has is the best yet! The Greeks way back since the beginning of time use to make buildings bigger and better if their enemys burned them down to them off. This is the best of it yet! of those terrorist! (End of thread drift)
 

Justin

New Member
Hey Guys, I was watching a thing on the WTC on Discovery Channel... and they said something was wrong... i forgot what it was... It might have been the outer part of the steel or the supports or something...
 

DisneyFreak721

New Member
Originally posted by jaylenofan86
If an EPCOT like Walt wanted it to be is going to be built, I would pay whatever it takes to live there!

I totally agree! I would love to live in a city where the easiest, fastest, and most convinient ways to get around are by Monorail and Peoplemovers...

Popkid has the original 1966 shows describing the original plans of Epcot at her website. I got all 4 parts (thanks Popkid!) They talk about how at the center of the city was the Hotel about 30 stories tall, but that was on a 3rd level or something like that, and the second level (ground level) was an enclosed shopping center designed to look like different streets all over the world and the bottom level, was the transportation area...Thats where the monorail to the theme park and the industrial park would pick up...and thats also where all the People movers would stop and go out....from here on out it's kind of difficult to explain about those, so download part 3 of the Epcot 1966 at Popkids site...www.popkid.com/disney/videos_epcot.htm
Thanks again Popkid!! Awwwww. If only that got built.....

Actually, when you think about it, the enclosed shopping idea was used....Go to Vegas...You'll see my point. But I would much rather have seen the original Epcot plan come to life....
 

jmarc63

New Member
I cant download most of the video, is anyone else experiencing the same. I already have the EPCOT film but I would like to see the rest of whats on the site... whats wrong?????:confused: :brick:
 

Merlin0402

Active Member
That new WTC concept is really cool. IMO, it's the direction I think that they should go in, but I think that they have already said that they will not build something big again. Oh well, great concept, I voted for it, you should too, you never know...
 

jmarc63

New Member
Originally posted by Justin
Hey Guys, I was watching a thing on the WTC on Discovery Channel... and they said something was wrong... i forgot what it was... It might have been the outer part of the steel or the supports or something...


It wasn't that there was something wrong with the building. It was that it wasn't built for a jumbo jet full of flamable fuel to crash into the building and ignite thousands of gallons of fuel to blast furnance tempratures. what it was is that usually a building is supported from the internal steel structure and the outside of the building hangs on to the internal structure. In the case of WTC the outside steel of the building supported the inside of the building, mainly the floors thats why the outside steel was so large and massive, the floors hung on the outside structure of the building with clips welded to the exterior supports. they did this to have no inteiror colums and large unobstructed floor space, unlike most buildings where you have a beam every fifteen or twenty feet obstructing the floor space. When the extream heat of the fire got going it softened the steel and it began to sag since the floor were supported by a truss design like most roofs in commercial buildings have such as warehouses.

thoes trusses gave way and started a chain reaction where one floor fell on the the next one below it and so. starting above the 70th and 90th floors . with millions of tons of steel and concreat there was no way to stop once it happened. Thats why there was such a massive dust cloud that roared thru the financial distric

watch anatomy of a collapse the next time they show it on TLC. they go thru step by step of how and why the collapse occured
 

Justin

New Member
Hmmm i was watching a show, and that wasnt' leveled good or something, I forget i would have to watch it again... Anyways the WTC should have had more than what they already had in it, It barely had any staircases or anything to walk down in case of an emergency, I m not saying be prepared for a Plane to hit a building now, But in Case of a fire or something they should have more than the stairways then they had...I think it was crazy to build the WTC that high anyways.
 

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