News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[ToTBellHop]

What, the inclusion of the original Indiana Jones adventure? I don’t think that means too much. Does the inclusion of pirates of the Caribbean or big thunder in season two mean anything?

This show is more popular in the USA given its focus on US parks and tends to pick attractions present and WDW and DL. It focuses on WDW, in particular. They have a Hall of Presidents episode and are adding an Epcot episode.

Personally, I see this as a coordinated effort across multiple facets of the company. It’s certainly how a well-run company would and should work.

The presence of PotC and BTM episodes indicates the attractions are popular in America.

This would be the first time they focused on an attraction specifically excluding WDW. Even the Disneyland Hotel episode emphasizes how many more options they were able to bring in WDW.

They’ve already stated they are interested in bringing IJA to WDW. I think this choice for the tv show indicates that is indeed the company’s intention (and not just pie-in-the-sky).

 

[Mike S]

It also were the comments he made after the film was made, basically saying it was crap. Ford even berated him for his attitude. That pretty much was the final straw.

Ke Huy Quan would’ve been a good choice too for Indy 5.

 

[No Name]

I don’t think the inclusion in the Disney+ show means anything. The people making the show aren’t greenlighting the project.

And we already know it’s something they want to do because they announced the idea to replace the idea they announced the year before… not a sign of a well-run company! They announced this idea without a budget, and then 10 days later, announced a budget without any ideas. Again… not a sign of a well-run company.

 

[NotCalledBob]

When this series was in production, the idea was Zootopia at Dinoland wasn't it?

By the time they pivoted to Indie the episode must have been in post production.

 

[JD80]

When this series was in production, the idea was Zootopia at Dinoland wasn't it?

By the time they pivoted to Indie the episode must have been in post production.

I was going to write this. I don't know when they pivoted to Indy in AK internally at WDI but I would have to imagine this show was being written and filmed before that. Especially with the writer's strike etc.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Dial was fine, but it felt slow and tired. It lacked the fun of the others (even crystal skull). It got rid of the cartoon antics of crystal, but lacked the enthusiasm that Indy naturally conveys. I know he's supposed to be depressed and down on his life, but even when he got excited in Dial, the Harrison Ford spark wasn't there.


I also felt the musical score could've been done better to carry more excitement to certain scenes.

I enjoyed the movie enough, in fact I don't think there's a bad Indy movie. But Dial is going to stick out as the black sheep of the series because of its melancholy tone.

Using the "old, depressed hero" trope works for Wolverine & Obi-Wan but it doesn't work with Indiana Jones. The series has always been pretty upbeat & fun. Indy's never done anything that would signify he'd end up sad & alone either; he always abandoned the artifacts infavor of his loved ones.

It's also annoying that they fell back on this trope for Indy when this director already told a similar story with Wolverine & Lucasfilm had already done it with Luke, Boba & Obi-Wan. It's unoriginality under the guise of being deep.

But I think Harrison, Mads & a couple others like Banderas give some good performances. I also found the 1st & 3rd acts pretty fun. So Dial ended up being a decent time at the movies despite its bizarre tonal choices.

Disney would smart to base any future Indy rides on the original trilogy though. Those are the most popular & it's more exciting to be with a young Indy than an old man lol

 

[Rich Brownn]

I enjoyed the movie enough, in fact I don't think there's a bad Indy movie. But Dial is going to stick out as the black sheep of the series because of its melancholy tone.

Using the "old, depressed hero" trope works for Wolverine & Obi-Wan but it doesn't work with Indiana Jones. The series has always been pretty upbeat & fun. Indy's never done anything that would signify he'd end up sad & alone either; he always abandoned the artifacts infavor of his loved ones.

It's also annoying that they fell back on this trope for Indy when this director already told a similar story with Wolverine & Lucasfilm had already done it with Luke, Boba & Obi-Wan. It's unoriginality under the guise of being deep.

But I think Harrison, Mads & a couple others like Banderas give some good performances. I also found the 1st & 3rd acts pretty fun. So Dial ended up being a decent time at the movies despite its bizarre tonal choices.

Disney would smart to base any future Indy rides on the original trilogy though. Those are the most popular & it's more exciting to be with a young Indy than an old man lol

The original Indiana Jones TV show showed... Indy sad, bitter and alone

 

[SplashJacket]

Obligatory wait times are not an end-all-be-all, but it’s interesting at the moment. Animal Kingdom is incredibly soft today, HS is absurd, like always due to a capacity shortage (but same logic could be applied to AK), Epcot is soft because Passholder blackouts, MK is swamped, USF is soft, IOA is absurdly busy. AK and USF’s 7:00 and 5:00 pm closes probably don’t help for the weekend guests, but 20 minutes for Dinosaur is insane. AK needs a new draw and just overall more reasons to go.

Spoiler: Wait Times

 

[lazyboy97o]

Obligatory wait times are not an end-all-be-all, but it’s interesting at the moment. Animal Kingdom is incredibly soft today, HS is absurd, like always due to a capacity shortage (but same logic could be applied to AK), Epcot is soft because Passholder blackouts, MK is swamped, USF is soft, IOA is absurdly busy. AK and USF’s 7:00 and 5:00 pm closes probably don’t help for the weekend guests, but 20 minutes for Dinosaur is insane. AK needs a new draw and just overall more reasons to go.

Spoiler: Wait Times

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What is the benefit to the experience by having more people in the park and higher wait times? A 20 minute wait still means that the attraction’s capacity is being utilized. 20 minute wait times should be the goal as that means you are achieving a really good attractions per guest per hour.

 

[SplashJacket]

What is the benefit to the experience by having more people in the park and higher wait times? A 20 minute wait still means that the attraction’s capacity is being utilized. 20 minute wait times should be the goal as that means you are achieving a really good attractions per guest per hour.

These parks are not aiming for 20 minute waits, especially not over Columbus Day weekend.

I think we would all love 20 minute waits, but that’s not the goal for the parks themselves. Dinosaur being comparatively underutilized, which was the main point of my post, as it relates to its potential replacement, is relevant to the discussion.

 

[lazyboy97o]

These parks are not aiming for 20 minute waits, especially not over Columbus Day weekend.

I think we would all love 20 minute waits, but that’s not the goal for the parks themselves. Dinosaur being comparatively underutilized, which was the main point of my post, as it relates to its potential replacement, is relevant to the discussion.

It’s not the goal for the parks because people make excuses for them. More than one attraction per guest per hour didn’t originally come out of nowhere. 20 minutes is also the point where guests start to get annoyed with a wait.

An attraction with a 20 minute wait is not being underutilized. You only get a wait if demand exceeds capacity. Putting more people into a park just to put them into a queue doesn’t really help the park either. Yes, you got their admission but you’re just pushing them right into a situation that annoys them so they’re not doing things like buying snacks or souvenirs and you’ve psychologically discouraged them from doing so when they’re no longer in the queue.

 

[Jrb1979]

It’s not the goal for the parks because people make excuses for them. More than one attraction per guest per hour didn’t originally come out of nowhere. 20 minutes is also the point where guests start to get annoyed with a wait.

An attraction with a 20 minute wait is not being underutilized. You only get a wait if demand exceeds capacity. Putting more people into a park just to put them into a queue doesn’t really help the park either. Yes, you got their admission but you’re just pushing them right into a situation that annoys them so they’re not doing things like buying snacks or souvenirs and you’ve psychologically discouraged them from doing so when they’re no longer in the queue.

If that is the case then they should have kept reservations and kept attendance limited so waits never exceed 20 minutes.

 

[ToTBellHop]

It’s not the goal for the parks because people make excuses for them. More than one attraction per guest per hour didn’t originally come out of nowhere. 20 minutes is also the point where guests start to get annoyed with a wait.

An attraction with a 20 minute wait is not being underutilized. You only get a wait if demand exceeds capacity. Putting more people into a park just to put them into a queue doesn’t really help the park either. Yes, you got their admission but you’re just pushing them right into a situation that annoys them so they’re not doing things like buying snacks or souvenirs and you’ve psychologically discouraged them from doing so when they’re no longer in the queue.

Actually, it is underutilized. If a ride has a 40-minute normal queue (not the extended queue), then they want it full with people most of the time. Otherwise, capacity is not being utilized. Either those guests are in walkways because they don’t care to ride or they just aren’t in the park (and are, presumably, elsewhere). Disney wants each park to be full most of the time. MK and DHS achieve that. Pirates of the Caribbean has excellent capacity and routinely pulls waits longer than 20 mins. Does that suggest it needs higher capacity or just that it’s popular?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Actually, it is underutilized. If a ride has a 40-minute normal queue (not the extended queue), then they want it full with people most of the time. Otherwise, capacity is not being utilized. Either those guests are in walkways because they don’t care to ride or they just aren’t in the park (and are, presumably, elsewhere). Disney wants each park to be full most of the time. MK and DHS achieve that. Pirates of the Caribbean has excellent capacity and routinely pulls waits longer than 20 mins. Does that suggest it needs higher capacity or just that it’s popular?

Queue space doesn’t count as capacity when programming a park, neither as hourly capacity nor as instantaneous capacity. What determines whether or not a park is “full” is an operation decision largely based on attractions per guest per hour.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Queue space doesn’t count as capacity when programming a park, neither as hourly capacity nor as instantaneous capacity. What determines whether or not a park is “full” is an operation decision largely based on attractions per guest per hour.

They do want people in queues. Otherwise, the walkways are too full.

And they care how long guests spend in a park. Obviously, you spend more time at DAK or buy Genie (and they can charge more for it) if a ride has a longer line.

They absolutely are concerned over the fact that DAK empties out after about 3 pm.

 

[peter11435]

Disney bases park performance on the amount of attractions guests experience in a day/per hour. They base attraction performance on the amount of guests who actually ride per hour/day and the utilization of that attractions ride capacity. When determining a parks menu of offerings the attractions hourly capacity is used to sell/justify its benefits to the park. Queue capacity is based on what the attraction itself will need and is not used as a function to benefit the greater park. Disney does not want guests spending large amounts of time in queues. That is why tens of millions were spent on a third track at TSM and a third theater at Soarin. It’s why millions were spent to modify safari vehicles to include an extra row.

 

[No Name]

They do want people in queues. Otherwise, the walkways are too full.

And they care how long guests spend in a park. Obviously, you spend more time at DAK or buy Genie (and they can charge more for it) if a ride has a longer line.

They absolutely are concerned over the fact that DAK empties out after about 3 pm.

If they were really concerned about people leaving at 3pm, they would have more to do in the park. You don’t need that many people in each queue if there’s actually a reasonable number of rides & shows relative to how many people visit. If Disney thinks a cheap way around this is creating greater demand for each of the park’s 8 or maybe eventually 9 rides, then they are sorely mistaken.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They do want people in queues. Otherwise, the walkways are too full.

And they care how long guests spend in a park. Obviously, you spend more time at DAK or buy Genie (and they can charge more for it) if a ride has a longer line.

They absolutely are concerned over the fact that DAK empties out after about 3 pm.

Actually increasing the capacity of the park also gets people out of walkways because they now have more places they can go during their visit. It also gives people more things to do so that a visit requires more time. It also increases satisfaction which directly correlates to increased spending.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Disney wants people in the parks for long hours spending money but also having a positive experience so willing to pay more $ in the future - they want to balance maximizing $ today with $ in future (with the focus on today $ of late)

So they don't want people getting done with everything and gone after a few hours, but also don't want them in line for hours and hours not spending money

So I think they want to avoid the 60+ min waits (this things like adding the 3rd track to TSM or using VQs) but 20ish minutes for many rides is fine

 

[ToTBellHop]

I’m not suggesting expansion is not also necessary. But, Dinoland is definitely and issue for the park and it needs to be fixed. They also should add attractions elsewhere.

I thought it was obvious they wanted guests in the park all day. They did make the night safaris and RoL. Both just failed. That doesn’t mean the idea is abandoned forever.