EMH To Be Cut By An Hour?

[ShookieJones]

I don't use the evening EMH that often, but when I have the last hour was ALWAYS the best. The first hour is ALWAYS crowded and can barely be considered a perk if at all.
Again even though I don't use it that often I know a lot of others around here that do. I don't want to see any perks for resort guests being taken away or reduced in any shape way or form.
What do I think? This suxxxx!

 

[wdwfan22]

Really??!?!

Because everytime I've been at the MK much past 1 a.m., Casey's is locked tightly and the ONLY food locale open in the ENTIRE park is the Bakery ... even the ice cream shop closes.

I left the MK in May of 2011 at 1:20 a.m. and went to Gasparilla's because NOTHING was open at MK beyond the bakery after 1 a.m., which is ridiculous.

That's funny cause everytime i'm at the Magic Kingdom (and it's at least once a month) Casey's is almost always open during Extra Magic Hours. It must just be hit or miss, now they have been closing the Ice Cream Parlor down before the end of the Magic Hour.

 

[Zummi Gummi]

How can they make a profit from it when they do not keep anything open during night EMH (shops/food wise). And I agree, it should be a perk, and I thought it was, for guests staying on property. The whole point, at least for us, is that there are less people and more opportunity for rides without lines. Cutting EMH is pretty crappy.

That is indeed the point, because that's exactly how it's advertised. It's not supposed to be busy. It's supposed to be quiet (er).

 

[disneyrcks]

Really??!?!

Because everytime I've been at the MK much past 1 a.m., Casey's is locked tightly and the ONLY food locale open in the ENTIRE park is the Bakery ... even the ice cream shop closes.

I left the MK in May of 2011 at 1:20 a.m. and went to Gasparilla's because NOTHING was open at MK beyond the bakery after 1 a.m., which is ridiculous.

I have to agree here ( I think hell just froze over ) . Casey's is open till about an hour after park close but after that, it is extremely difficult to find any shops/food/carts open during EMH. We still love being able to be there late to ride the rides. We do not have kids so it is an opportunity for us to experience everything without any lines. Occasionally, we would like a bottle of water or a snack, but can never find something open. I would also love to shop at that time. No lines, take what you buy right back to the hotel but I guess it costs more to keep some things open. (shrug)

 

[WDW1974]

It's because when you're running for an extra 3 hours, people are never there. It's probably only for Magic Kingdom. When the parks are open till 2 or 3, the last hour is wasting power. Rides get sent through empty over and over. It's just a waste of an hour, not to mention all the cast members they are paying to run empty rides and stores. It just makes sense. This is a good decision.

By that line of thinking, Disney should have minimum requirements for even opening a park. You don't have 15K at the MK, then you close it for the day.

You do realize how ridiculous both above statements are.

I was at the mall earlier this week and it was dead. They probably should have just closed. That's your argument, right there.

 

[WDW1974]

Well it makes little sense to keep spending money on a place that's arguably declining by degrees. If they know they can keep vets coming back while still taking away so much then how can they improve, and why should they? At some point people here need to 'give up' and hope WDW changes for the better.

Because some of us still enjoy WDW, we just see and are saddened by the faults ... and we realize that not going isn't going to make one bit of difference. So why should we not visit a place we still enjoy (albeit not like we once did)?

Giving up is not a 'tude I like. It's what is very prevalent in the USA today in much more serious things than Disney Parks.

 

[WDW1974]

You mean back when ALL the parks stayed open later EVERY night? Yep. I remember. Do you?

Back in the '80s - what times did Epcot and Magic Kingdom close? (I really don't know this answer - just curious)

It depended on time of year. WDW actually had off seasons, although they still do to some much smaller degree.

There were times when the MK regularly was open from only 9-6 or 9-7 and times when EPCOT was only open 9-8.

But there were also times when the MK was open 8-midnight or even 9-1 and 9-2 (in summer). EPCOT had regular 11 p.m. and midnight closings during summer, spring break, Christmas etc. Oh, and the entire park opened and closed at the same time, not the staggered stuff that began in the mid-90s.

While EPCOT generally had a lagoon show every night, the MK didn't ever have nightly pyro shows until the 25th Anniversary (that was part of the marketing gimmick and they decided to stick with nightly showings after).

Oh, they also had no early entrance for resort guests until around 1990 and it began as MAGIC Mornings. For years it was only MK and only four days a week, then it was expanded to the other two parks. There were no extra hours at nights until 2004 (of course, you didn't need them because parks had late hours to begin with).

Hope that gives some perspective.

 

[WDW1974]

That's funny cause everytime i'm at the Magic Kingdom (and it's at least once a month) Casey's is almost always open during Extra Magic Hours. It must just be hit or miss, now they have been closing the Ice Cream Parlor down before the end of the Magic Hour.

I haven't done a really late EMH since spring of last year. But the point was to hang out until 3 a.m. and see what it was like and enjoy. Got there about 10:30 and about 1:10 we realized we were hungry, so went to Casey's and it was closed. Shocked we headed over to Cosmic Ray's to find the one side of three that was open had closed 10 minutes earlier. We knew nothing was open in the other lands because we had been through them all.

The only place open was the bakery and I didn't want a pastry or maybe a premade sandwich at that hour, so we wound up leaving and dining at the GF.

I was just shocked to some degree that Disney would operate a park (and there were still thousands of folks in the park, even if it was 2,000 or 3,000) and people were not able to eat/spend. Stupid all around.

 

[John]

Something that has been really been bothering me on the forum is those who say....well if you so disatisfied why are do you continue to visit? Some say that there are those of us that have nothing positive to say about WDW.

When we all check in at the front desk we are greeted with "Welcome home!" that means we are family right? As a family member we have a stake in this thing. We point out things that come up short because we do care. If we didnt care we wouldnt even bother to come to the forum in the first place. Honestly it even goes deeper then that for me. We all relate to Disney on an emotional level. We all have grown up with Disney as a part of our lives. When things are being taken away from our "home"....things that made it special in the first place....it actually hurts. When we go "home" we want things to be constant. We will even pay what amounts to outrageous dollars to have it that way.

Even the most ardent supporter of WDW cant defend what has been happening to our "home" the last few years. DO I (we) still visit our beloved "home" absolutely....but when is "home" no longer feel like "home"? How long is it before they change the locks? WDW needs to do something soon...Does anone really feel the buzz around the FL expansion? Maybe a mild buzz....if those super fans who visit this forum dont get super excited....I doubt the average guest is feeling all warm and fuzzy. Is Avatar going to be the answer? IMO....I couldnt care less what has been said by Iger, Staggs or anyone else when it comes to Avatar. Till I see them actually building it I am not 100% sure it is going to be built. Sorry, they havnt given me many reasons to be optomistic. And if and when they do start construction my feeling is that it wont be what it should be. History tells us differently.



Sorry.....even spellcheck cant help this sleep deprived post.....good night.

 

[Tom Morrow]

That is indeed the point, because that's exactly how it's advertised. It's not supposed to be busy. It's supposed to be quiet (er).

It isn't advertised like this at all. Its advertised as "exclusive to resort guests" and people then assume "well that's barely anyone compared to the rest of the crowds!" But when you condense 24 resorts into one theme park and also don't offer everything, the result is the park is busier than it would have been otherwise until people start giving up and going home, which results in that last hour of "quiet" time.

 

[flavious27]

Disappointment. If they cut emh for dak completely it wouldn't matter but that last hour out of the three in the other gates is a big benefit.

 

[ScoutN]

Really??!?!

Because everytime I've been at the MK much past 1 a.m., Casey's is locked tightly and the ONLY food locale open in the ENTIRE park is the Bakery ... even the ice cream shop closes.

I left the MK in May of 2011 at 1:20 a.m. and went to Gasparilla's because NOTHING was open at MK beyond the bakery after 1 a.m., which is ridiculous.

In August and December last year Casey's was opening at 2:45 AS WELL (key word AS WELL) as... wait for it.... hold on.... it's NEVER open.... the cost saving shut down places unless high crowd season locale... well themed.... great atmosphere.... make you think you are in Texas near Mexico... Outdoors while indoors... Pecos Bill Cafe. It does happen but apprently only when Beans are being counted tighter than Laffy Taffy box at an I95 gas station. I was there May last year as well when Casey's was locked up tighter than.... I'll let that one hang for a while.

 

[GoofGoof]

That's fine as long as we see a reduction in resort rates. You get less as a resort guest and you should have to pay slightly less, right?

Prices will go up, not down.

Agreed. Look to the airlines for a perfect example. They cut out meals, snacks and even checking bags for free and the prices have gone steadily up not down. Anyone expecting a decline in prices over this is kidding themselves. Maybe you could make some kind of argument that the extra hour cost $1 per person and that the ticket price would have been raised to $90 instead of $89 if they kept this perk, but even that is a pretty big stretch.

 

[jaredliu]

Even the most ardent supporter of WDW cant defend what has been happening to our "home" the last few years. DO I (we) still visit our beloved "home" absolutely....but when is "home" no longer feel like "home"? How long is it before they change the locks? WDW needs to do something soon...Does anone really feel the buzz around the FL expansion? Maybe a mild buzz....if those super fans who visit this forum dont get super excited....I doubt the average guest is feeling all warm and fuzzy. Is Avatar going to be the answer? IMO....I couldnt care less what has been said by Iger, Staggs or anyone else when it comes to Avatar. Till I see them actually building it I am not 100% sure it is going to be built. Sorry, they havnt given me many reasons to be optomistic. And if and when they do start construction my feeling is that it wont be what it should be. History tells us differently.

Off topic here. Avatar is not going to be the answer if information keep being absent. It menat there is something wrong about the project. Just that fanboys wouldn't want to admit it. A game changer type of the project doesn't start with this fuzzy blurry type of fashion. I find it unbelievable that some people tend to believe it to be so grand when there is literally nothing out there for us to look at. It almost looks like a bubble, a wishful thinking. When it comes to future project I'll rather think about Ratatouille Ride, Mysitc Manor, and Gringotts Coaster and those with actual plan and ride layout to be the game changer. But opps none of them are for WDW, sorry.

 

[GoofGoof]

Off topic here. Avatar is not going to be the answer if information keep being absent. It menat there is something wrong about the project. Just that fanboys wouldn't want to admit it. A game changer type of the project doesn't start with this fuzzy blurry type of fashion. I find it unbelievable that some people tend to believe it to be so grand when there is literally nothing out there for us to look at. It almost looks like a bubble, a wishful thinking. When it comes to future project I'll rather think about Ratatouille Ride, Mysitc Manor, and Gringotts Coaster and those with actual plan and ride layout to be the game changer. But opps none of them are for WDW, sorry.

That was pretty far off topic. There is a 30+ page thread about Avatar details on here. Last time I checked in they were having an absurd discussion about ABC News so you are right, there is probably nothing new to talk about. I thought I read somewhere they were planning to break ground this fall, but who really knows.

 

[bubbles1812]

That was pretty far off topic. There is a 30+ page thread about Avatar details on here. Last time I checked in they were having an absurd discussion about ABC News so you are right, there is probably nothing new to talk about. I thought I read somewhere they were planning to break ground this fall, but who really knows.

Well, before that, the discussion was comparing ET and Peter Pan so I'd say a talk about ABC news is pretty much par for the course...

I did just read that thread and JT was claiming that they would break ground this fall. He's not your only source is he? Because he's about as worthless as they come when it comes to what is actually happening at WDW..though he does have some fun/funny/sometimes crazy ideas. I guess I'll give him that.

Anyways...back on topic: It stinks to high heaven that they are reducing a perk/incentive for guests at WDW. Purely a cost saving measure obviously. And also purely sucky in every which way.

 

[jaredliu]

That was pretty far off topic. There is a 30+ page thread about Avatar details on here. Last time I checked in they were having an absurd discussion about ABC News so you are right, there is probably nothing new to talk about. I thought I read somewhere they were planning to break ground this fall, but who really knows.

My bad. Yes. you are right. That is a 30+page thread without any information of Avland except "Iger says it". Lets get back to the topic.

 

[GoofGoof]

Well, before that, the discussion was comparing ET and Peter Pan so I'd say a talk about ABC news is pretty much par for the course...

I did just read that thread and JT was claiming that they would break ground this fall. He's not your only source is he? Because he's about as worthless as they come when it comes to what is actually happening at WDW..though he does have some fun/funny/sometimes crazy ideas. I guess I'll give him that.

Anyways...back on topic: It stinks to high heaven that they are reducing a perk/incentive for guests at WDW. Purely a cost saving measure obviously. And also purely sucky in every which way.

You are probably right about where i read it. I think the original press release said groundbreaking in 2013 and opening in 2016. Seems so far away. On topic... Maybe they will add EMH evenings to AK in 2016 when this opens if EMHs still exists by then.

 

[flynnibus]

It isn't advertised like this at all. Its advertised as "exclusive to resort guests" and people then assume "well that's barely anyone compared to the rest of the crowds!"

What else would Disney be advertising 'exclusive' as being valued for?? Hanging out with your closest resort buddies??

 

[John]

Being a card carrying member of the D&G club (a moniker I disagree with) as I think about such cost cutting measures I have some sympathy towards Disney. As most buisnesses in the country they are faced with some real economic challenges in the comming future ie the new Obama healthcare plan....how will this effect a company as large as Disney is? New tax increases? All of us are facing the same realities. Although some of us seem so negative all the time the reality of it is....I am dieing for some real positive news from TDO. Give me something I can sink my teeth into. Give me something I can cheer about....I promise....I will. FL just dosnt do it for me. I dont have young children, what is there for me that will get me excited to visit? I am mildly excited about riding the mine coaster but other then that....meh I can wait to see the detail and themeing of the area but after 15 minutes of looking around and taking pictures....I will be done. I have never ridden DUmbo and dont have any plans to do so. Its a ride you can find at your local carnival....just on a Disney elephant in the park.

In of itself taking away that last hour of EMH wouldnt be such a big deal if it wasnt just another subtraction of offerings....or shall I say it? Another example of declineing by degrees. I see some posters say....."well if they take that....maybe they will give us this" This just hasnt hapened. People say were silly debateing napkins...this week its EMH...whats next week going to be? I would gladly turn in my D&G card...just give me something.