Effect of Hong Kong Deal on Walt Disney World?

WDW1974

WDW1974

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RobGraves said:
indeed, being bi coastal taught me no1, DL is better.. number 2... vacation time is better spent in other countries, even non dsney stuff... though my vacations tend to lead me to places with some kind of theme park... and many times a disney park happens along the way.

I just find the ignorance and self aggrandisement and chauvinism of the average american to be disturbing and disconcerting for our future in this ever growing and blending world
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I agree. Not much more I can say.

I visited WDW four times in 2008 and was at DL twice and HKDL once.

But I also spent 2 1/2 months working, living and exploring Beijing. I also took a 15-night Transatlantic cruise that brought me to the Azores, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the UK. And I spent a week hiking and relaxing (post China) in Sequoia National Park too.

And that was a pretty typical year (excepting all the time in China) for me.

I love Disney theme parks ... and other theme parks ... but I just love to travel and explore.

I always feel sad when I hear about the family from New Jersey who comes to WDW every June for 10 days at the Boardwalk and that's the scope of their travels.

There's a whole world out there.
 
RobGraves

RobGraves

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WDW1974 said:
I agree. Not much more I can say.

I visited WDW four times in 2008 and was at DL twice and HKDL once.

But I also spent 2 1/2 months working, living and exploring Beijing. I also took a 15-night Transatlantic cruise that brought me to the Azores, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the UK. And I spent a week hiking and relaxing (post China) in Sequoia National Park too.

And that was a pretty typical year (excepting all the time in China) for me.

I love Disney theme parks ... and other theme parks ... but I just love to travel and explore.

I always feel sad when I hear about the family from New Jersey who comes to WDW every June for 10 days at the Boardwalk and that's the scope of their travels.

There's a whole world out there.
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haha, yep... and those 15 day transatlantics are awesome.
 
CaptainJackNO

CaptainJackNO

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WDW1974 said:
That's simple. Disney effed up things to begin with. They tried to pass of a McDisneyland as something more. They had no choice, but to make it right. HKDL could be an amazing world-class resort but it was built by avarice and arrogance and the belief that the people in HK (a very cosmopolitan city) wouldn't know that Disney theme parks actually have these things called attractions in them.

Again, they had no choice. And the HK SAR (with the central government nodding approval) stuck it to Disney just like the Mouse had from the start. Karma, I guess.




Disney does what it does in Florida because it can get away with it. Sad but true. Look at how eager people are to get excited because Disney is painting or adding a character meet-greet-and-grope. WDW doesn't have a fervent fan base that pushes it to be the best and instead has one that revels in mediocrity. That's why money is spent in Anaheim. They also don't have a government partner (that actually owns the park) to deal with in Florida.

So long as you have fanbois having celebrations to honor EPCOT's 25th because TWDC doesn't care enough to acknowledge it ... so long as you have people who tout timeshares as investment ... so long as you have people praising people for doing the basics (like fixing things or painting them) ... what incentive does Disney have to make major investment in the huge MousecaSprawl it has created in Central Florida?

The answer is none.
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I must say I have not thought of this to this extent. I have to agree with you. I worried, back in the Eisner days, (days when all this sprawl occured) that alot of valuable land was being used up for not so great reasons.
You would be correct, though, in your estimation that we fanbois get all worked up over minutia. It is true, I am guilty of it myself. That being said, I have learned through many vacations that I tend to spend the same amount of money on all vacations that I do in WDW. So, given the choice, I would rather spend my time and money in WDW because, even as it is, I love it. We should hold the company more accountable to their responsibilities in Florida, though. For instance, everyone got really jazzed over Toy Story Mania. When I rode it in January, I liked it, LIKED, but I also kinda scratched my head and said, HUH? That is not an E-Ticket in my opinion.
I want imagination again and originality, like Everest. Clearly, the company is capable of it. I would love to see a few new attractions that are based on some foreign concept, as opposed to another pixar movie. Please can we have a return to originality?
 
CaptainJackNO

CaptainJackNO

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WDW1974 said:
I agree. Not much more I can say.

I visited WDW four times in 2008 and was at DL twice and HKDL once.

But I also spent 2 1/2 months working, living and exploring Beijing. I also took a 15-night Transatlantic cruise that brought me to the Azores, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the UK. And I spent a week hiking and relaxing (post China) in Sequoia National Park too.

And that was a pretty typical year (excepting all the time in China) for me.

I love Disney theme parks ... and other theme parks ... but I just love to travel and explore.

I always feel sad when I hear about the family from New Jersey who comes to WDW every June for 10 days at the Boardwalk and that's the scope of their travels.

There's a whole world out there.
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Fact is alot of Americans either cannot afford to travel the world (which is most common) and some really have no desire to travel the world. I for one have a few European nations I would like to see. However, I have no plans of doing this until my kids are in their mid to late teens. The fact that I have chosen to not travel the world yet, either due to finances or choice, makes me no more egotitsical, self aggrandising, or chauvanistic than anyone who does travel the world extensively. The wonderful thing about this nation, and any other for that matter, is you do not have to do what you don't want to do. I appreciate your opinion that folks should experience other places and parts of the world. However, some accountant from Cleveland, or teacher from New orleans choosing to go to WDW for vacation year after year instead of traveling to China, or Japan, Russia, or Germany will have NO bearing on world affairs. I appreciate all cultures and do not believe mine to be superior. I love watching shows on TV about other cultures and have taken numerous cultural anthropolgy courses in college in order to appreciate the cultures of the world. While tehre are some Americans that view our culture as superior, I believe you sell the majority of our citizens short by making a broad generalization that is not backed up by studies or facts. These are just your opinions. While you are entitled to them, I believe you take somewhat of a snobbish, elitist view over Americans who do not travel as you. There is nothing wrong with someone who works hard all year spending their vacation dollars in WDW every year if that is where they choose to spend it. That's freedom , baby....Yeah!! :drevil:
 
goreesha

goreesha

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WDW1974 said:
I agree. Not much more I can say.

I visited WDW four times in 2008 and was at DL twice and HKDL once.

But I also spent 2 1/2 months working, living and exploring Beijing. I also took a 15-night Transatlantic cruise that brought me to the Azores, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the UK. And I spent a week hiking and relaxing (post China) in Sequoia National Park too.

And that was a pretty typical year (excepting all the time in China) for me.

I love Disney theme parks ... and other theme parks ... but I just love to travel and explore.

I always feel sad when I hear about the family from New Jersey who comes to WDW every June for 10 days at the Boardwalk and that's the scope of their travels.

There's a whole world out there.
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When I was single, I did quite a bit of international traveling. Argentina, England, Canada, Mexico, Kazakhstan, etc. I wanted to experience the world, and I'm glad I did. Now that I have a family and young kids, forget it. The hassle and expense of traveling overseas with the family is not worth it. Not to mention the safety issue. Some of the places I went as an unattached single guy, I would never take my family to due to the inherent risks. My kids can learn to appreciate other countries from afar until they are older. Plus, everyone has a great time at WDW, so that's where we tend to go.

I'm not from New Jersey, but if a family has a good time every year going to WDW, who cares?
 
DisneyDellsDude

DisneyDellsDude

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CaptainJackNO said:
I must say I have not thought of this to this extent. I have to agree with you. I worried, back in the Eisner days, (days when all this sprawl occured) that alot of valuable land was being used up for not so great reasons.
You would be correct, though, in your estimation that we fanbois get all worked up over minutia. It is true, I am guilty of it myself. That being said, I have learned through many vacations that I tend to spend the same amount of money on all vacations that I do in WDW. So, given the choice, I would rather spend my time and money in WDW because, even as it is, I love it. We should hold the company more accountable to their responsibilities in Florida, though. For instance, everyone got really jazzed over Toy Story Mania. When I rode it in January, I liked it, LIKED, but I also kinda scratched my head and said, HUH? That is not an E-Ticket in my opinion.
I want imagination again and originality, like Everest. Clearly, the company is capable of it. I would love to see a few new attractions that are based on some foreign concept, as opposed to another pixar movie. Please can we have a return to originality?
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I agree with you. I would rather have original attractions than tons more pixar tie-ins. And look at how the "originals" have done over time. They are the ones considered the main "classics" of Disney.
And I don't think they actually advertised TSMM as an "E-ticket", but more along the lines of a "D-ticket". For me, I would rank it as a "C" because to me, it is just a high-tech dark ride almost. There are barly any set pieces. The queue was fun, but not amazing - and also got really boring sitting in line for the almost 2 hours I waited on Thanksgiving day. I'll never do that again!

But Hollywood Studios really needed an attraction like this, so I am still very glad they added it. It is also unique in that it is more of a video-game, but still whips you around.
 
CaptainJackNO

CaptainJackNO

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DisneyDellsDude said:
I agree with you. I would rather have original attractions than tons more pixar tie-ins. And look at how the "originals" have done over time. They are the ones considered the main "classics" of Disney.
And I don't think they actually advertised TSMM as an "E-ticket", but more along the lines of a "D-ticket". For me, I would rank it as a "C" because to me, it is just a high-tech dark ride almost. There are barly any set pieces. The queue was fun, but not amazing - and also got really boring sitting in line for the almost 2 hours I waited on Thanksgiving day. I'll never do that again!

But Hollywood Studios really needed an attraction like this, so I am still very glad they added it. It is also unique in that it is more of a video-game, but still whips you around.
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I agree, TSMM is not the immersive attraction that I want from Disney. ALso, you are right. Studios needed an attraction. Unfortunately, Studios is in need of more than one attraction. :lookaroun
 
DisneyDellsDude

DisneyDellsDude

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CaptainJackNO said:
I agree, TSMM is not the immersive attraction that I want from Disney. ALso, you are right. Studios needed an attraction. Unfortunately, Studios is in need of more than one attraction. :lookaroun
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Hopefully they'll get more soon. The two rumors flying around - Star Tours 2.0 and the Monster's Inc Roller Coaster - would both be very appreciated.

Pixar Place could use the expansion, and Star Tours really needs new life.
From the rumors, both sound like quality attractions as well - both solid D-Tickets in my book from what we have heard so far.
 
RobGraves

RobGraves

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goreesha said:
When I was single, I did quite a bit of international traveling. Argentina, England, Canada, Mexico, Kazakhstan, etc. I wanted to experience the world, and I'm glad I did. Now that I have a family and young kids, forget it. The hassle and expense of traveling overseas with the family is not worth it. Not to mention the safety issue. Some of the places I went as an unattached single guy, I would never take my family to due to the inherent risks. My kids can learn to appreciate other countries from afar until they are older. Plus, everyone has a great time at WDW, so that's where we tend to go.

I'm not from New Jersey, but if a family has a good time every year going to WDW, who cares?
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i dunno... takin the kids while young through foreign countries and letting them see the way others live for better or worse is always good... when i was a kid i had the pleasure of visiting both east germany and St.Petersburg with my grandparents who traveled a lot. I had the joys of taking mine to Croatia and Thailand and other places such as that... they didnt get to go to Burma with us of course... a little too risky there, but outsde of that i want my kids to see the world and all the reality... besides, they live at Disneyland and WDW.
 
CaptainJackNO

CaptainJackNO

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DisneyDellsDude said:
Hopefully they'll get more soon. The two rumors flying around - Star Tours 2.0 and the Monster's Inc Roller Coaster - would both be very appreciated.

Pixar Place could use the expansion, and Star Tours really needs new life.
From the rumors, both sound like quality attractions as well - both solid D-Tickets in my book from what we have heard so far.
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I'm with you, brother
 

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