If so why not give us DVC members MEANINGFUL perks, Like the ability to buy discounted Tix for day guests (ie family who live in area who want to join for 1-2 days in park but not stay with us)
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If so why not give us DVC members MEANINGFUL perks, Like the ability to buy discounted Tix for day guests (ie family who live in area who want to join for 1-2 days in park but not stay with us)
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Based on @ParentsOf4 's math they are 21% less worried this year
. Must be the Mine Train opening that gives them more confidence this year.
asianway
Well-Known Member
They are giving a premiere discount that's unprecedentedBased on @ParentsOf4 's math they are 21% less worried this year
DougK
Well-Known Member
Yes but the Premier pass has increased tremendously in price since it first appeared just a few years ago. I believe the initial year the price was $600, now it is $979, so somehow $849 doesn't seem that great.
DougK
Well-Known Member
I think they pleased a bunch of us when they had the $399 PAP available at the end of 2012. Now with this new discount it is $484 "on sale" - just 14 months later. That is an $85 increase in the discounted price, and let's face it most of us buy at least 2 if not more of the passes at a time depending upon the size of our families so for us that is an extra $170. So if they really wanted to encourage DVC'ers to play in the WDW parks instead of Universal I think they should have kept the $399 price point for another few years. I think many of us would have been impressed. I know I would have bought 2 of them, now I am not so sure. Personally we are thinking of cutting back our park days even more and just buying tickets for x number of days at a time. We'll see how the math turns out.
The premier AP that works at DL and WDW is offered at a discount. However, there is a lot of fine print involved.
It must be bought in person. It can't be bought with a voucher to be converted to a ticket on arrival. So if you are not a local or you are not traveling during the special you can't buy these passes.
Even if you can buy them in person, since you couldn't get a voucher, you can't reserve fast passes in advance. So your $849 per person passes leave you competing for rides with the unwashed masses.
disney4life2008
Well-Known Member
DVC seems to have no value. I have been tempted to buy into it - even my mom since the beginning. But she went the International Interval route which I think was a great decision. I own the membership now and the fees are low and I can travel almost anywhere worldwide on a getaway for pennies (theoretically speaking).
DougK
Well-Known Member
This is interesting, thanks.
ParentsOf4
Well-Known Member
DVC members who bought directly many years ago or bought resale recently still achieve tremendous savings if they fit certain profiles. The first requirement being that they must want to stay onsite at WDW Deluxe Resorts or, in some cases, Moderate Resorts. The second being that they must not finance or finance only for short periods. Otherwise, DVC doesn't make much sense financially. (There are non-financial reasons to buy DVC.)
Returning to the topic of this thread, the latest DVC program really is targeted at getting DVC members to spend even more; it is not designed to save money. A "discount" on insanely overpriced is still stupidly overpriced.
The best perk offered with this program is the discount on the PAP, which is valuable only if a DVC member intends to go to the water parks or DisneyQuest. Essentially, with the discount, the PAP is the price of a regular AP plus $20 ($484 vs. $464).
So, if you want to visit WDW's water parks and plan to do 2 separate WDW vacations within 12 months, it is a savings. If you had no intention of going to the water parks or vacation only once per year, then the PAP is a waste of money.
On other sites, there was genuine hope that Disney was going to offer discounts on the regular AP or even Magic Your Way tickets. If this happened, then there would be cause for true celebration among DVC members. As it is, even the PAP discount is a way to try to get DVC members to spend more than they otherwise might.
That's why I find the current perks so insulting. Disney is not saying they want to offer genuine discounts. Instead, Disney is trying to get DVC members to spend more than they otherwise might have intended by offering "discounts" on grossly overpriced merchandise. It's no different than the clothing store that raises prices 50% and then advertises a 40% off sale.
Particularly with the PAP discount, Disney simply is offering DVC members the same discount that it already offers to everyone with its regular MYW ticket. I'll explain.
Whether it's a 2-day or 10-day MYW hopper ticket, adding the Water Park & More option costs $25.
Low and behold, the discount offered on the PAP equates to adding the Water Park & More option for $20.
As they have been doing for years, Disney continues to practically give away the water park option.
Anyone who thinks the PAP discount is something special simply isn't paying attention to WDW's current pricing structure.
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ParentsOf4
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I just finished with Member Services.
It seems in their excitement to roll out "Membership Magic", they've managed to delete all references to what's still the least expensive AP. As of now, you have to know that a discount on the regular AP still exists and then call them to purchase it.
I'm sure it was unintentional.
Just like the "no expiration" option disappearing from the main Disneyworld.com webpage.
It seems in their excitement to roll out "Membership Magic", they've managed to delete all references to what's still the least expensive AP. As of now, you have to know that a discount on the regular AP still exists and then call them to purchase it.
I'm sure it was unintentional.
Just like the "no expiration" option disappearing from the main Disneyworld.com webpage.
Disneykidder
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I'd love an online member merchandise shop attached but I didn't see one.
I was excited for the perks...at first. I really wanted a dining discount. Oh well...noting lost, nothing gained.
I was excited for the perks...at first. I really wanted a dining discount. Oh well...noting lost, nothing gained.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I pretty much agree. Nothing to get too excited about, but not really surprising either.
ParentsOf4
Well-Known Member
Oh, and here's another new "perk" for DVC members:
"All discounts vary and may be suspended or discontinued at any time. Locations and operating hours subject to change without notice. Block-out dates apply for all offers, including but not limited to: 1/1/14, 2/14/14, 4/20/14, 5/11/14, 7/4/14, 11/27/14, 12/24/14, 12/25/14, and 12/31/14."
Yep, for the first time ever it seems that DVC members now have blackout dates for their discounts, just like Tables in Wonderland.
Talk about nickel-and-diming.
"All discounts vary and may be suspended or discontinued at any time. Locations and operating hours subject to change without notice. Block-out dates apply for all offers, including but not limited to: 1/1/14, 2/14/14, 4/20/14, 5/11/14, 7/4/14, 11/27/14, 12/24/14, 12/25/14, and 12/31/14."
Yep, for the first time ever it seems that DVC members now have blackout dates for their discounts, just like Tables in Wonderland.
Talk about nickel-and-diming.
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Oh, and here's another new "perk" for DVC members:
"All discounts vary and may be suspended or discontinued at any time. Locations and operating hours subject to change without notice. Block-out dates apply for all offers, including but not limited to: 1/1/14, 2/14/14, 4/20/14, 5/11/14, 7/4/14, 11/27/14, 12/24/14, 12/25/14, and 12/31/14."
Yep, for the first time ever it seems that DVC members now have blackout dates for their perks, just like Tables in Wonderland.
Talk about nickel-and-diming.
How magical of Disney, To magically make perks go away on command...
ParentsOf4
Well-Known Member
You might appreciate this tidbit as well:
"To receive any of these offers, you must present your Disney Vacation Club Member ID along with a corresponding valid photo ID."
I roll my eyes because some fans of MagicBands rant that they don't need to carry wallets. I wonder where they intend to carry their photo IDs?
I fully agree with @flynnibus when he wrote here that Disney wants to achieve a paradigm shift with MagicBands but am wondering exactly how much of a shift can be achieved when Disney insists on policies that tie guests to the old paradigm.
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ParentsOf4
Well-Known Member
I've never purchased a premier AP but it seems to require at least 3 WDW/DLR visits to make sense:
- WDW 7-day Park Hopper, Water Park & More MYW ticket: $393
- DLR 5-day Park Hopper ticket: $300
That's $849 vs. $693 for just 2 visits.
So the discount is helpful only if you already were planning to visit WDW/DLR at least 3 times in 12 months. If not, then it's just another way to get DVC members to spend more than they intended.
I miss the days when discounts at WDW actually meant something.
EOD K9
Well-Known Member
Don't we all. And as I stated earlier, you're locked in with DVC already. Why do they feel the need to "doubly" lock you in with PAPs? A discount on MYW should be the route to take. I'm headed down there in a few weeks and not hitting the parks. This will be a time to relax and they wont get all my money. Just most of it.I miss the days when discounts at WDW actually meant something.
In reading on another board, I noticed that Disney may have changed its policies about the Premier pass. On that board it was rumored that vouchers WILL be given for the premier pass. The vouchers could be activated at first use.
I hope that that is the case. The premier would save us a couple hundred dollars.
I hope that that is the case. The premier would save us a couple hundred dollars.
PrincessNelly_NJ
Well-Known Member
It looks like Disney will be offering special dining experiences for DVC members... not sure if this is part of the "magic program"
http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2014/...dining-experiences-announced-for-dvc-members/
http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2014/...dining-experiences-announced-for-dvc-members/
DougK
Well-Known Member
DVC members who bought directly many years ago or bought resale recently still achieve tremendous savings if they fit certain profiles. The first requirement being that they must want to stay onsite at WDW Deluxe Resorts or, in some cases, Moderate Resorts. The second being that they must not finance or finance only for short periods. Otherwise, DVC doesn't make much sense financially. (There are non-financial reasons to buy DVC.)
Returning to the topic of this thread, the latest DVC program really is targeted at getting DVC members to spend even more; it is not designed to save money. A "discount" on insanely overpriced is still stupidly overpriced.
The best perk offered with this program is the discount on the PAP, which is valuable only if a DVC member intends to go to the water parks or DisneyQuest. Essentially, with the discount, the PAP is the price of a regular AP plus $20 ($484 vs. $464).
So, if you want to visit WDW's water parks and plan to do 2 separate WDW vacations within 12 months, it is a savings. If you had no intention of going to the water parks or vacation only once per year, then the PAP is a waste of money.
On other sites, there was genuine hope that Disney was going to offer discounts on the regular AP or even Magic Your Way tickets. If this happened, then there would be cause for true celebration among DVC members. As it is, even the PAP discount is a way to try to get DVC members to spend more than they otherwise might.
That's why I find the current perks so insulting. Disney is not saying they want to offer genuine discounts. Instead, Disney is trying to get DVC members to spend more than they otherwise might have intended by offering "discounts" on grossly overpriced merchandise. It's no different than the clothing store that raises prices 50% and then advertises a 40% off sale.
Particularly with the PAP discount, Disney simply is offering DVC members the same discount that it already offers to everyone with its regular MYW ticket. I'll explain.
Whether it's a 2-day or 10-day MYW hopper ticket, adding the Water Park & More option costs $25.
Low and behold, the discount offered on the PAP equates to adding the Water Park & More option for $20.
As they have been doing for years, Disney continues to practically give away the water park option.
Anyone who thinks the PAP discount is something special simply isn't paying attention to WDW's current pricing structure.
All Disney had to do was offer the PAP for $399 again and add the regular AP to the list for, say, $369. That would have made us DVC'ers very happy I think. I know it would have made ME happy! And it would have still been a long way from the free park passes that they offered when DVC was new so they would still make a ton of money. No games, no "here's a discount and a blackout schedule" just nice discounts for those of us who have spent thousands of dollars at Disney.
Please note I am not saying they "owe" us this, I just think it would have been good business and help rebuild some of the brand loyalty they used to receive from us. It would have been a win-win. But TWDC wants it all.