Does anyone live, legally, in Walt Disney World?

Lil Fort

Lil Fort

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GoofGoof said:
The rack rate for regular season is $89 a night for an RV hookup camp site. If you figure a little more for peak season and a little less for value season it probably would average to around $90 per night. That's $32,850 for the year or a little over $2,700 a month. Now if you factor in a 50% CM discount you are looking at $1,350 a month. Not terrible for rent. Only problem is you need an RV;). Sounds like a good retirement plan to me.
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It is part of ours. ;)
 
luv

luv

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I don't know about Florida, but in most states, the hotel staff has to go into the computer every month, check the person out officially and then check them back in. The guest need not be present for it. This keeps the people as hotel guests and not tenants...so they say. I don't know, if it went to court, whether the court would accept that baloney, but that's how hotels in most states handle it.

Plenty of people with a decent amount of money live in hotels...for various reasons.
 
tahqa

tahqa

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Technically the longest allowable stay at Fort Wilderness is 30 days. For the people that stay there longer than that they are checking out at the 30 day mark and then checking back in, even if nothing ever moves except for paperwork. :)
 
sublimesting

sublimesting

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Lil Fort said:
For state and national parks this is often true for most states, but for privately owned parks this is not the case. There are even parks where you can buy your site.
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Not quite. I belong to a campground where we do own our own sites. However, no one is allowed to stay there year round. 3 months is the max. We are allowed to have one person stay year round as a caretaker but otherwise everyone must go except that we can visit 2 weeks each month. Of course this is in Pennsylvania but Florida may have a similar law, I don't know.
 
sublimesting

sublimesting

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Wojciehowicz said:
Loophole, another clueless CM. It's called a reservation.
Evicting implies that those people are residents, they're not, they're just guests.
Why would Disney want them out? They're paying lots of money for the site.
If it's the person I think it is, she's no longer a CM.
It's routine for RVers staying short term to set up tents, canopies, and furniture.
Sweet deal, anyone can stay at WDW for as long as they want. They just have to keep making a new reservation per Disney's policy.
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You can't have permanent reservations because then you legally become a tenant not a guest. Simply re-doing the reservation does not legally make the person not a tenant (at least in PA, I worked in the hotel industry for a few years and we couldn't allow guests to do this. Also my wife works with homeless veterans and this becomes a problem with that as well). The reason Disney would want them out is the reason you stated in a later post: they are eyesores. Also where does it stop? What if everyone did this? Disney then would no longer have a campground but a mobile home park.
Mobile home parks have dfferent regulations and taxes they pay.
 
THEMEPARKPIONEER

THEMEPARKPIONEER

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I doubt Disney does it but allot of campgrounds except for KOA's and government park campgrounds offer seasonal sites where the camper rents out for the whole season and they are able to keep they're campers on site a year round. Weather it's allowed or not seasonals are known to build porches and make they're sites like home. Disney might offer that kind of deal but I bet it costs allot of $$$$$$.
 
DisneySaint

DisneySaint

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Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but if you go north on the road that runs on the east side of Downtown Disney (Buena Vista Dr), there is a small residential development that pre-dates WDW. It's officially classified as "Lake Buena Vista" and is home to, what I think is, a trailer park. The street is Royal Oak Ct. Look it up in Google Maps.
 
Lil Fort

Lil Fort

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sublimesting said:
Not quite. I belong to a campground where we do own our own sites. However, no one is allowed to stay there year round. 3 months is the max. We are allowed to have one person stay year round as a caretaker but otherwise everyone must go except that we can visit 2 weeks each month. Of course this is in Pennsylvania but Florida may have a similar law, I don't know.
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Wouldn't the one person staying as a caretaker be considered to be living there year round? I would suspect that this is the campground's policy, not state law.

sublimesting said:
You can't have permanent reservations because then you legally become a tenant not a guest. Simply re-doing the reservation does not legally make the person not a tenant (at least in PA, I worked in the hotel industry for a few years and we couldn't allow guests to do this. Also my wife works with homeless veterans and this becomes a problem with that as well). The reason Disney would want them out is the reason you stated in a later post: they are eyesores. Also where does it stop? What if everyone did this? Disney then would no longer have a campground but a mobile home park.
Mobile home parks have dfferent regulations and taxes they pay.
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I think you missed the point that there ARE several people who are living at Fort Wilderness. Right now... as we speak... I know them personally and Wojciehowicz does as well. Is their legal address 4510 North Fort Wilderness Trail, Lake Buena Vista, FL? I doubt it, but they are there just the same. Disney knows they are there and for how long they have been there. As Wojciehowicz said, as long as they continue to make a new reservation per Disney's policy, they are welcome to stay.
 
The Mighty Tim

The Mighty Tim

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I'm pretty sure last time I checked into a resort hotel, part of the terms and conditions was that you couldn't say that WDW was your permanent address.

Which makes sense, but I'd never seen that sort of message anywhere else before.
 
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Ralphlaw

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I just crunched some numbers (which all DVC members seem to enjoy doing), and calculated that it would cost about $600,000 to buy up enough points on the secondary market to stay all year in a one bedroom villa on property at a DVC resort, such as at a standard view Animal Kingdom lodge. Your maintenance fees would run about $50,000 a year. For a studio it would be just under half that amount. Bottom line, you could stay at Disney year round if you had assets of about half a million dollars, income of about $50,000, and had enough money to buy food, clothing, med care, etc . . . on top of that. I actually know quite a few people who could do it, but they're not mousejunkies like me.

FYI, the total vacation points would be about 10,000 for the one bedroom villa, or 5,000 for the studio. Honestly, you may be better off with the one bedroom once cooking your own food and sanity is taken into account.

My wife and I dream of buying up about 3 months worth and staying at the boardwalk for the winters of our retirement. That would run about 2,500 points, or $155,700, plus $13,000 in maintenance fees. Mere pocket change--I wish.
 
Lil Fort

Lil Fort

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JIMINYCR said:
There isn't some kind of standard they need to maintain to be able to stay? Any photos of the site?
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They do, but at the fort it seems that most of the rules are ignored. I think I have some pics from my last visit. They were decorated for Halloween, but there is so much stuff that it looks tacky I'll take a look and see if I can find them.
 
I_heart_Tigger

I_heart_Tigger

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I used to work in teh Purser's dept on a cruise ship and we had a few permanent residents. As someone else mentioned we checked them out of then back into their rooms every month or so. This was done without their presence - just did it at the first of each month. They were allowed to receive mail to the ship but were not allowed to list it as their address on any legal forms. They usually just listed a family members address.

They had their doors decorated but nothing outlandish. They decorated their room (and door) for each holiday and occasionally were exempted from lifeboat drill requirements. Depends on the actual length of the cruise we were on. We wouldn't make then do a drill every week if we were doing short cruises - maybe every 3 weeks or so.

The 3 permanent residents on my ship were all older and said they recieve better care at a lower cost on the ship than in a decent retirement home. Nice way to retire and travel around the world.
 

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