Sirwalterraleigh
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So we’re back to Econ 1...with Disney parks...again...
I’ll just be walking the other way if you need me...
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Do you think we'll ever get another original, non-IP attraction at WDW?
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So we’re back to Econ 1...with Disney parks...again...
I’ll just be walking the other way if you need me...
HansGruber
Well-Known Member
Enough with the passive-aggressive one-liners. Have an adult conversation.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I will if you don’t quote me page one of a textbook I read decades ago that doesn’t address any of the specific realities of a business.
I’m typing this during a conference call with about a half dozen engineers right now...
And though their degrees and work experiences are relatively standard...some tones/tactics build better relationships with certain ones better than others.
You know who else is like that? Vacationers from all over the globe. Some you want more than others.
How’s the ticker looking today?
CoasterSnoop
Well-Known Member
It’s gotta be more family-friendly. More Disney.
So no, it seems Disney currently doesn’t have enough faith in the masses to like new things. Even though the masses did exactly that for decades upon decades before.
So no, it seems Disney currently doesn’t have enough faith in the masses to like new things. Even though the masses did exactly that for decades upon decades before.
Disstevefan1
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I agree, its about all about how good the attraction is. FOP is also another good example, How many folks who love this ride is a fan of Pandora or eve watched the movie.
Disstevefan1
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To answer the original post, probably not, UNLESS there is a SPONSOR who wants to PAY DISNEY money. In Innoventions in EPCOT for example. Disney will do anything within reason for enough MONEY 
HansGruber
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
However...tower of terror is as good/popular as it has been because of the twilight zone integration.
And a fading one...owned by cbs.
They put guardians on the one in LA and people generally hate it (it seems...I’m not in that market)
So the onion continues to peel.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That is the appropriate response...
The alltime overrated poster child tv show for self appointed intellectuals.
You got an office clip for me too?
eliza61nyc
Well-Known Member
the "masses" today are not the "masses" from decades ago. My grandkids, nieces and nephews do not like the same thing, nor do the react to the same presentation of 30 years ago.
Yes when I was a kid I used a typewriter. we don't today. The consumer today is not the consumer of the 70's, 80's and 90's
I hope they do build original attractions but I totally understand why they are going IP.
Interestingly enough we've had a very similar discussion at my church about gospel music, the youth in the church don't want old time gospel, they want rap, they want a beat. as much as I loved Precious lord, our youth doesn't respond to it. we're changing, Kirk franklin here we come. lol
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It seems the new generstions have been drinking ALOT more lead in the water than we used too
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The problem for Disney is that their loyalty is much less lasting...which makes them wrong.
But not for bob iger...because Time isn’t his enemy.
That’s really what We’ve been circling in this Ip debate for days.
Somebody implied it earlier: don’t alienate others at the expense of the 8-18 demo...Because they’re typically dips...essentially.
ABQ
Well-Known Member
I've heard from many that is a fine attraction, not hated at all and surprises many people how good it is.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
What I’ve read is that it’s ok...but not as accepted as the original tower in Orlando.
The problem is that the one in DCA is one of the cheapie copies...so it was never that loved.
But again...just passing impressions. I maybe wrong there.
I tell you what...I bet polling backlash saved the twilight zone in Orlando or it would already be gone...I have little doubt.
That thing is loved and it should be...one of the top built Disney rides ever.
ABQ
Well-Known Member
And I love it as well, but as I keep hearing that this and that effect have been left broken indefinitely, makes me think with the CBS issue regarding the IP, that changes are coming. I don't expect it to be Guardians, with that already going in at Epcot, but something.
eliza61nyc
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LOL but i think you have to remember also Sir, is that they are constantly being replaced. I don't think Disney has to worry about Loyalty. Same reason why my uncle with a bar by MSG doesn't have to worry about customers or "pleasing" the old heads. they will always be the 18-21 generation that will shell out ridiculous money after a rangers game on cheap booze.
The 8-18 demo is constantly being refreshed and now more than ever it seems like disney has pumped the idea that you are somehow a bad parent if your kid doesn't get to the mouseworld. It's almost a right of passage. Now more than ever it's not if you are going to Disneyworld it's when.
Again, I am not if favor of "bad" IP rides but I can totally understand why they are going IP heavy.
CoasterSnoop
Well-Known Member
The masses today and the masses of yesterday are similar in that they’re just going to like what they’re going to like. When you shove recognizable IPs in their faces and only recognizable IPs, of course that’s what they will like. To say the average consumer today will just frown on good originality because they don’t “recognize“ it is absurd. Rather the entertainment climate we see today is based on companies playing it safe. It made money thirty years ago? It should make money now!
It’s a silly mentality that leads to a lack of originality and a lack of anything new. That’s not a generation gap, but when it’s all you got it’s all you got.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think you read that wrong...it’s not like there’s a fresh crops of Disney sycophants with money to spend every 18 years...society is changing into more longterm codependency.
So you have to cater to like a 75 year demographic...not a 10.
Want proof? Disney vacation club was started based on that identification...hook em and keep em
eliza61nyc
Well-Known Member
And you don't think IP will do that? Gotta disagree with that. I also think that a lot of the codependency is based on "emotion". A mom throwing her arms around Jasmine or what's the babes name from frozen. Even on this site you have poster say they pay that expensive price to eat at the castle, not because the food is good but because it's a chance to eat with Cindy and her godmother.
I'm a dvc'er and most of them/us were brought in not on great old rides but the emotion factor. oh look I can bring my grandbabies here and watch them run into Mickey's arms. that can happen whether it's an Ip character or not. Now I know you guys laugh and make snide remarks about people who say they go to disney because it's fun but I know many dvc'er and that's exactly why they purchased.
Just my take, you know I've got no inside track to the process.
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Disstevefan1
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In my opinion if an attraction uses IP is a factor but does not have to make or break an attraction, it depends on how fun the ride is.
TOT is thrilling and fun. Would I stop riding it if they did an overlay? Personally No. FOP is a thrilling and fun attraction. While Yes, I watched the movie 12 years ago, while its a good movie, I do not like FOP because its about Pandora. FOP is thrilling and fun attraction. I love Sorin, I love Mission space. I will love Tron, I will love Guardians in EPCOT because they are coasters.
On the other side of the coin, The Frozen overlay made to Maelstrom turned a walk on attraction to one with long waits. I liked the original better than Frozen, but if I get a fastpass for frozen
If the ride is really good. I can overlook the theme or lack thereof.