Do You Really Think It's A Coincidence...

[Avenger117]

I don't think the diversity is the only reason to build it. Its a good franchise, the kids seem to like it alot. My girlfriend teaches elementary school and the kids love tinkerbell and the fairies. Also every trip to the store I see more merchandise for this franchise, there must be a decent sized market for it. I know a lot of people don't like some of the newer franchises but this one is pretty cool.

 

[erstwo]

Different races of fairies do not make an attraction "diverse." They're still fairies for little girls.

Also, judging from the queues, very few—if any—Guests make a decision to see a character based on the color of its skin.

The argument you're trying to make doesn't tread water—and it's SO 1990s. :lol:

Wonderland, Neverland (at large), or anything that focuses on more than fairies and princesses would attract a larger audience than Pixie Hollow.

I wish I had pictures of the lines behind me to see the differences in the lines to see the "traditional" princesses (in Toontown) and the line to see Tiana (both last week.)

The line for the Toontown princesses was 100% Caucasian. The line for Tiana - absolutely not. In fact, the Latino mother in front of me went on and on about how glad she was that they finally had a "diverse" princess. (Only maybe she didn't use "diverse" :lookaroun)

I know the line for the Toontown princess' line isn't always this way and thankfully, children really don't see or care about "diversity" in their love for characters, but I do think he's right. Diversity does matter to quite a few people.

 

[imagineer boy]

I don't know, I've seen plenty of black little girls who like the white princess just as much.

 

[erstwo]

I don't know, I've seen plenty of black little girls who like the white princess just as much.

Yes, absolutely. As I said, children don't really see or care about "diversity."

But some people do.....

ETA- I think I should say, "But some people do appreciate diversity." I think appreciate was the word I was looking for!

 

[Avenger117]

I don't know, I've seen plenty of black little girls who like the white princess just as much.

I didn't say they didn't like them. I can assure you though that kids like to see princesses that look like them. It works the same for adults. I have talked to many African American adults that appreciate when they see a good black character on a TV show. Its not some major thing, its not going to drive millions of African Americans to the park, but its just something people can appreciate.

 

[Ignohippo]

Well, no one's talking about Tiana or the "diverse" fairies going away. The idea though, is that Neverland would appeal to boys also and could also easily include the fairies.

I for one want to see Tiana stay permanently. For that matter, I'd like to see Giselle from Enchanted make appearances regularly also. Maybe a place within the Fantasy Forest for rotating Meet and Greets (for Tiana, Giselle, Rapunzel, etc.)?

 

[BigThunderMatt]

For that matter, I'd like to see Giselle from Enchanted make appearances regularly also.

I thought they couldn't use Giselle because she was modeled after Amy Adams and therefore royalties would have to be paid to her for use of that likeness?

Not to mention I don't think Enchanted has anywhere near the following as other franchises (despite the fact that it was a fantastic film).

 

[Avenger117]

Well, no one's talking about Tiana or the "diverse" fairies going away. The idea though, is that Neverland would appeal to boys also and could also easily include the fairies.

Well there are the sparrow men in Pixie Hollow. Maybe that would appeal to boys as well as Peter Pan. I don't see a lot of boys with Peter Pan action figures and having Peter Pan birthday birthdays, so I'm not sure that even that would help Fantasyland attract young boys. I hope it would though!

 

[tirian]

I'm bowing out of this conversation. :wave:

 

[_Scar]

You should see Tiana as Tiana not as the first black princess. I think if you rely too heavily on that then you lose the true essence of Tiana and she just becomes "the first black princess" instead of one of the princesses girls of all ages or skin colors should look up to.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Ignohippo]

Well there are the sparrow men in Pixie Hollow. Maybe that would appeal to boys as well as Peter Pan. I don't see a lot of boys with Peter Pan action figures and having Peter Pan birthday birthdays, so I'm not sure that even that would help Fantasyland attract young boys. I hope it would though!

No offense, but I couldn't disagree with you more. Peter Pan is one of the most classic characters in the Disney canon. The Peter Pan dark ride is one of the most popular rides in the park.

I doubt there are too many boys wanting "sparrow men" birthdays either.

 

[Ignohippo]

I thought they couldn't use Giselle because she was modeled after Amy Adams and therefore royalties would have to be paid to her for use of that likeness?

Not to mention I don't think Enchanted has anywhere near the following as other franchises (despite the fact that it was a fantastic film).

Possibly, but I sincerely doubt Disney would allow itself to be in that position legally.

BTW, the film grossed over $340 million in theaters and another $90 so far in dvd sales (and they're working on an Enchanted 2 now).

I think Disney should be giving much more of a presence to its more recent characters (other than Pixar). There's no way these things can become "classic" if Disney continues to ignore them. Characters like Giselle, Bolt, Tiana, Chicken Little, etc. should be rolled out from time to time. Maybe it would make kids go home and discover the movies if they saw the characters in the parks.

 

[DisneyParksFan]

I think Disney should be giving much more of a presence to its more recent characters (other than Pixar). There's no way these things can become "classic" if Disney continues to ignore them. Characters like Giselle, Bolt, Tiana, Chicken Little, etc. should be rolled out from time to time. Maybe it would make kids go home and discover the movies if they saw the characters in the parks.

I think the furthest extent you will ever see characters like Bolt and Chicken Little in the park will be in the former of characters....not anything on the scale on an attraction.

Why would the company build attractions or create shows with characters from movies that the company didn't find successful? Look at Chicken Little. That movie received a great deal of money for marketing....and it really did not pay off.

Disney sticks to Pixar because those films take in the money, the awards, and the popularity. Frankly, Pixar films are currently more successful then WDFA films. Princess and the Frog was the exception. They anticipated success because it was "the return to 2D animation." They gambled well with the show at DL and MK.

 

[Ignohippo]

Uh yeah, I meant M&Gs. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. In no way would I ever expect to see attractions around those characters.

 

[DisneyParksFan]

^ gotcha and I agree with you.

 

[totaldisneygirl]

Im excited for Dumbo! I just wish that Toontown can stay because I do not think that many people are excited for Pixie Hollow.