DLR continues to operate with less than half the number of pre-pandemic staff

ThreadMaster5

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The biggest problem is that everyone got used to not working it seems, from what I hear from my room mate that’s a cast member, everyone calls out and then the staff that doesn’t is overworked so then they call out, the older staff isn’t compatible with the COVID rules, so it is what it is, the cms are all miserable, from what I understand everyone is called back at this point but they lost half the staff from people moving and deciding Disneyland was not worth it for them anymore
 

Tamandua

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The biggest problem is that everyone got used to not working it seems, from what I hear from my room mate that’s a cast member, everyone calls out and then the staff that doesn’t is overworked so then they call out, the older staff isn’t compatible with the COVID rules, so it is what it is, the cms are all miserable, from what I understand everyone is called back at this point but they lost half the staff from people moving and deciding Disneyland was not worth it for them anymore
Yeah.it's not just at Disney. Most of the fast food places where I live have shut their dining rooms because they can't find enough staff to operate the drive through and dining rooms. People just don't want to work and they were given a reason not to. No matter what, they'll be playing the "it's not safe" card forever.
 

el_super

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Yeah.it's not just at Disney. Most of the fast food places where I live have shut their dining rooms because they can't find enough staff to operate the drive through and dining rooms. People just don't want to work and they were given a reason not to. No matter what, they'll be playing the "it's not safe" card forever.

This isn't really indicative of the problem. A lot of turnover is occurring now in jobs/industries where people have been working for months and/or were never furloughed. As it turns out, there have been massive shifts in ALL industries, and people are leaving low pay/high stress jobs for better jobs and more work-from-home opportunities. The government stiumlus may have helped spur this, but the cause is an expanding economy, and not a depressed workforce.

This article was focused a bit on the retail industry, but there are a lot of parallels to working at Disneyland (bold mine):
With much of the country easing pandemic-era restrictions, service establishments like restaurants, gyms and salons are offering better pay and benefits to rebuild the staffs that got gutted during the crisis. Sectors like real estate, professional services, banking and insurance are also hiring — often at higher wages than retail, where median hourly pay for store employees hovers around $13 — in anticipation of renewed demand, according to Julia Pollak, a labor economist for the site ZipRecruiter.
“In a tight labor market, we often see big shifts among workers with low earnings,” she said. “If you’re making $12 an hour and there’s a job down the street offering $12.50, why not jump? There’s no reason not to — which is what’s happening now.”
Some are finding less stressful positions at insurance agencies, marijuana dispensaries, banks and local governments, where their customer service skills are rewarded with higher wages and better benefits. Others are going back to school to learn new trades, or waiting until they are able to secure reliable child care.
Some labor experts, though, say retailers are not going far enough in addressing structural problems in the industry. Retailers, they say, should be focusing more on stable schedules, safer working conditions and benefits like paid sick leave and vacation time.




Some have. Some are working a second or third jobs. And since Disney is struggling as well they're not being flexible with schedules like the used to so people have resorted to quitting as well.

Anecdotal definitely, but have you also seen an uptick in pushy/demanding customers? It seems a lot of people forgot how manners were supposed to work while they were locked away in their basements.

There's been a lot of pressure on service jobs lately, and it wouldn't be surprising at all if people wanted to walk away from trying to put on a happy face.

If Disney has a legitimate labor shortage, their methods for correcting it are pretty simple: stability, benefits and MORE PAY.
 

Mickeyboof

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Disney fired 28,000 domestic cast members. It’s their own fault there’s a staff shortage. Don’t blame the employee for awful employers.

Why should a fired employee return to Disney? I wouldn’t. It’s not a secure employment opportunity. It’s not financially responsible to return to a place of employment like Disney parks.
 

drizgirl

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This isn't really indicative of the problem. A lot of turnover is occurring now in jobs/industries where people have been working for months and/or were never furloughed. As it turns out, there have been massive shifts in ALL industries, and people are leaving low pay/high stress jobs for better jobs and more work-from-home opportunities. The government stiumlus may have helped spur this, but the cause is an expanding economy, and not a depressed workforce.

This article was focused a bit on the retail industry, but there are a lot of parallels to working at Disneyland (bold mine):
With much of the country easing pandemic-era restrictions, service establishments like restaurants, gyms and salons are offering better pay and benefits to rebuild the staffs that got gutted during the crisis. Sectors like real estate, professional services, banking and insurance are also hiring — often at higher wages than retail, where median hourly pay for store employees hovers around $13 — in anticipation of renewed demand, according to Julia Pollak, a labor economist for the site ZipRecruiter.
“In a tight labor market, we often see big shifts among workers with low earnings,” she said. “If you’re making $12 an hour and there’s a job down the street offering $12.50, why not jump? There’s no reason not to — which is what’s happening now.”
Some are finding less stressful positions at insurance agencies, marijuana dispensaries, banks and local governments, where their customer service skills are rewarded with higher wages and better benefits. Others are going back to school to learn new trades, or waiting until they are able to secure reliable child care.
Some labor experts, though, say retailers are not going far enough in addressing structural problems in the industry. Retailers, they say, should be focusing more on stable schedules, safer working conditions and benefits like paid sick leave and vacation time.






Anecdotal definitely, but have you also seen an uptick in pushy/demanding customers? It seems a lot of people forgot how manners were supposed to work while they were locked away in their basements.

There's been a lot of pressure on service jobs lately, and it wouldn't be surprising at all if people wanted to walk away from trying to put on a happy face.

If Disney has a legitimate labor shortage, their methods for correcting it are pretty simple: stability, benefits and MORE PAY.
Yes. Just be willing to pay more than the government prints. Easy peasy.
 

Mickeyboof

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It seems a lot of businesses and employers are facing a hard reality of capitalism- employees should go to the highest bidder. If the winner is unemployment and pandemic assistance, so be it.

People should actively seek out the highest possible compensation. Rent is due if Disneyland is open or not.
 

Tamandua

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It seems a lot of businesses and employers are facing a hard reality of capitalism- employees should go to the highest bidder. If the winner is unemployment and pandemic assistance, so be it.

People should actively seek out the highest possible compensation. Rent is due if Disneyland is open or not.


Lol on the rent being due. Evictions have been illegal in California since the pandemic started.
 
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Mickeyboof

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Lol on the rent being due. Evictions have been illegal in California since the pandemic started.

I mean, what’s the other option here? Let Disney take care of their employees? Again, they laid off 28,000 employees. Who wouldn’t seek out assistance??

Sure, evictions are “illegal” but, bills are bills! Gotta pay up.

if Disney really needed employees, they would respond financially by increasing pay. That’s how the world works.
 
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Tamandua

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I mean, what’s the other option here? Let Disney take care of their employees? Again, they laid off 28,000 employees. Who wouldn’t seek out assistance??

Sure, evictions are “illegal” but, bills are bills! Gotta pay up.

if Disney really needed employees, they would respond financially by increasing pay. That’s how the world works.
What were all those employees supposed to be doing when DLR was forced to stay closed by the government? Where would the money come from to pay them?

Let's say going forward that Disney increases pay to compete with unemployment, what happens then? Prices go up significantly. This doesn't just happen at Disneyland, but everywhere. Now the new minimum wage buys the same or less than the previous minimum wage. Unemployment rates are then raised to allow recipients to survive with higher prices, and the cycle starts over.
 

Mickeyboof

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What were all those employees supposed to be doing when DLR was forced to stay closed by the government? Where would the money come from to pay them?

Let's say going forward that Disney increases pay to compete with unemployment, what happens then? Prices go up significantly. This doesn't just happen at Disneyland, but everywhere. Now the new minimum wage buys the same or less than the previous minimum wage. Unemployment rates are then raised to allow recipients to survive with higher prices, and the cycle starts over.

Oof, I mean, I’d never want to classify people into the deserved-to-be-paid-the-least category. I’m paying a premium to visit Disneyland. I wish the employees were being paid a premium to work there.

Disney already raises prices without raising salaries, so your theory is cute and all, but it’s already happening and benefiting nobody.

Regardless, if Disney wants to lure employees back during a competitive market, they must pay competitive salaries. Easy as that!

Full disclosure, you’re taking to someone who has been receiving unemployment and pandemic assistance since work stalled out in March 2020. I work for $75 an hour in entertainment sector. I’m not going to do physical labor and accept less than that. Capitalism baby!
 

Tamandua

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Full disclosure, you’re taking to someone who has been receiving unemployment and pandemic assistance since work stalled out in March 2020.
I never would have guessed...
I work for $75 an hour in entertainment sector. I’m not going to do physical labor and accept less than that. Capitalism baby!
The fact that all of us working people are paying you not to work is not capitalism. That's socialism.
 

Mickeyboof

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I never would have guessed...

The fact that all of us working people are paying you not to work is not capitalism. That's socialism.

Oh dear! I've paid my taxes, and continue to even during the pandemic year(s)! When work resumes in the next few weeks, I'll be back to it and will resume paying the 24% tax rate, knowing full well it is helping people in need.
 

el_super

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It seems a lot of businesses and employers are facing a hard reality of capitalism- employees should go to the highest bidder. If the winner is unemployment and pandemic assistance, so be it.

People should actively seek out the highest possible compensation. Rent is due if Disneyland is open or not.

Exactly. While a solid concept in principal, a lot of effort has to be taken into job searching, so switching to the highest bidder isn't always cost effective for the individual. Looking for higher paying work can end up costing money, and in the prior years, staying in a lower wage job could make some financial sense, offer greater stability and lower stress.

That all changed when everyone kicked their low wage workers to the curb. The motivation to stay in a terrible job is no longer there, and the desire to return to it, once removed, is non-existent. People are seeking out higher paid offerings with better options. That's a good thing for the labor force but it's a really bad thing for a company like Disney.




Regardless, if Disney wants to lure employees back during a competitive market, they must pay competitive salaries. Easy as that!

I guess the "free market" is only supposed to work in one direction. :rolleyes:

The fact that all of us working people are paying you not to work is not capitalism. That's socialism.

You still seemingly don't understand that the stimulus payments were an effort to keep you in your job, and prevent the entire economy from collapsing, not an effort to give people a free ride.

Without the stimulus payments, there would be very few people willing to spend on a day at Disneyland, and the place would still be shut down.
 

Mickeyboof

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I have worked with a few that Disney was a job and they were miserable. When they got laid off they were ticked. Voiced their concerns and they even came back to disney. Some people are just odd and we will never understand how minds work.

I will say, to any cast members who continue to work at the parks or who were terminated and decided to return, thank you. Disneyland wouldn't be the same without the amazing people who hit the pavement EVERYDAY.

The CMs truly make the place special, above any other experience out there. Thank you CMs for putting your heart into your work. It does not go unnoticed.
 
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Tamandua

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Reminder: if people are getting money from the government, that’s just dirty socialism. If corporations get money and bailouts, that’s just beautiful capitalism.
That's not capitalism at all. People think that whatever America is doing must capitalism because they think of America as a capitalist society. America is currently a mix of capitalism and socialism and its leaning further and further towards socialism as time goes on. There should never have been bailouts, and there should never have been shutdowns that made the bailouts necessary. None of that is capitalism.
 

Kyle’s Dad Sent Me

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That's not capitalism at all. People think that whatever America is doing must capitalism because they think of America as a capitalist society. America is currently a mix of capitalism and socialism and its leaning further and further towards socialism as time goes on. There should never have been bailouts, and there should never have been shutdowns that made the bailouts necessary. None of that is capitalism.
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