News Disney's Magical Express to end after 2021

Basil of Baker Street

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I believe ride shares are what killed MDE. The goal of MDE was to lock you in the bubble. Now, it's cheap to grab a ride share to go anywhere else in the Orlando area, In Disney's eyes, why continue the huge expense of maintaining a fleet when people are bouncing anyway.
 

John park hopper

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Another thing, with the removal of ME, where is the "value" in a value resort? Since now all transportation will need to be planned, it may get quite expensive. It's going to be harder to recommend people value resorts if they have to pay $100+ just to get to Disney. Not to mention the current cost of the value resorts.
Yea and if you rent a car its going to cost a bundle and then you have the prevledge of paying a daily parking fee at the "value resort" There are no value resorts at WDW any longer
 

TikibirdLand

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I believe ride shares are what killed MDE. The goal of MDE was to lock you in the bubble. Now, it's cheap to grab a ride share to go anywhere else in the Orlando area, In Disney's eyes, why continue the huge expense of maintaining a fleet when people are bouncing anyway.
Those execs need to open their eyes and look at how much they're charging for those rooms -- at every level. Is it worth it to stay on-site if there's no benefit? See the poster above regarding premium resort shuttles. That's part of what was being paid for.
... But, the masses still go. I don't understand it.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Those execs need to open their eyes and look at how much they're charging for those rooms -- at every level. Is it worth it to stay on-site if there's no benefit? See the poster above regarding premium resort shuttles. That's part of what was being paid for.
... But, the masses still go. I don't understand it.
The masses aren't up to speed on everything that's changed or changing yet. Give it time...they can only ride the good will/nostalgia wave for so long, and they're eroding it very quickly.
 

Basil of Baker Street

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Those execs need to open their eyes and look at how much they're charging for those rooms -- at every level. Is it worth it to stay on-site if there's no benefit? See the poster above regarding premium resort shuttles. That's part of what was being paid for.
... But, the masses still go. I don't understand it.
People will pay a premium to stay on site with no benefits just to stay on site. 🤷‍♂️
 

Touchdown

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People will pay a premium to stay on site with no benefits just to stay on site. 🤷‍♂️
To an extent, the hotels physically near parks (monorail, Crescent Lake, skyway) have location benefits that can’t ever go away, but the other resorts do not. If all benefits go away or the deluxes go out of my price range, I’ll be switching to the hiltons at bonnet creek very quickly to access my status and points with HHonors.
 
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nickys

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... and my family considered the BAGS INC option. The problem? They have no mechanism for RETURN luggage :(.
We're just going Mears Deluxe. This was stunning NOV 2021. Met by our driver at luggage, with a name sign so we could find him. HE grabbed the bags & put 'em in the trunk for four of us. Return trip? Just as smooth, we used the Delta baggage service at the Airport dropoff point :).
If you have to point out your bags to someone, surely it’s easier to just get them yourself.
 

Casper Gutman

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It's arrogance on the part of executives.
And ignorance. We are constantly seeing that most execs at every level don’t understand anything about how theme parks in general and WDW in particular work. WDW is a very weird beast - besides Universal, there are very few similar establishments in the world, and it thus requires very specialized skills to run it well.
 

ImperfectPixie

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And ignorance. We are constantly seeing that most execs at every level don’t understand anything about how theme parks in general and WDW in particular work. WDW is a very weird beast - besides Universal, there are very few similar establishments in the world, and it thus requires very specialized skills to run it well.
I don't know if it's specialized skills so much as a very deep understanding of the product and target market that's needed - the parks and resorts themselves and why people feel such deep emotional connections to them. I mean, yes, there are specialized skills needed at various levels of the company, but leadership needs to have understanding that just doesn't seem to be there.

Feige nails it because he loves the product, so he understands the target market. Filoni and Favreau nail it for the same reasons.

The executives and BoD might as well be trying to catch a bat in a room with no light because they couldn't even be bothered to have "on the ground, real guest" experiences in the parks, and there's a major disconnect between them and the target market (I don't see any of them jumping up and down with excitement to book a WDW vacation). I think this is why we're seeing - after decades of Disney making bank and building their reputation on so many middle-class families - the desire to shift the target market to a wealthier clientele (who I really don't think get excited over visiting theme parks). Chapek is exacerbating the problems because he's trying to treat experiences like merchandise where window dressing does all the heavy lifting, and that just won't cut it.
 

Willmark

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Disney Executives seem to have the idea Disney is to big to fail but there are countless companies that have failed Sears, JC Penny's, numerous auto companies etc etc. IMO Disney is riding on the nostalgia wave and like all waves they eventully crash on the shore.
I’m also wondering if it matters as much to anyone younger? As in the aura exists it only for those older folks? If younger it’s just something your parents check off on the to do list of childhood? Don’t know.
 

lewisc

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If you have to point out your bags to someone, surely it’s easier to just get them yourself.
The poster was pointing his bags to the driver who was grabbing the bags and taking them to the car.

Bags has a luggage service. You describe the bags, take a picture?, send them a copy of your airline checked bag receipt and they will grab your bags and transport them to your hotel
 

Jrb1979

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My 15-year-old and 10-year-old sons would say it matters a great deal.
I would imagine a lot of that has to do with you taking them to the parks a lot and then being raised on it.
So the general consensus is the packed out parks are run by a bunch of morons. comical.
I wouldn't say a bunch of morons but the parks are no longer their focus. The problem is many here are park fans for the most part. They hate what's happening to the parks.
 

ImperfectPixie

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I would imagine a lot of that has to do with you taking them to the parks a lot and then being raised on it.
Absolutely. How many other kids out there do you think feel the same way?

The funny part is that my parents had no fundamental love for Disney...my mother just happened to purchase "The Art of Walt Disney" when I was around 3 because she loves art and finding that book is what first got me hooked - I wanted to be one of the artists creating the works featured within. We only took one WDW trip when I was growing up, and it was a "dad has cancer so we're going on a family trip" thing that didn't get planned very well because my mother was busy taking care of my dad and all his medications and hospital stuff...and I fell in love with the parks the minute I set foot in them. Didn't return until my honeymoon in 2000, but have been going whenever possible ever since.
 

Jrb1979

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Absolutely. How many other kids out there do you think feel the same way?

The funny part is that my parents had no fundamental love for Disney...my mother just happened to purchase "The Art of Walt Disney" when I was around 3 because she loves art and finding that book is what first got me hooked - I wanted to be one of the artists creating the works featured within. We only took one WDW trip when I was growing up, and it was a "dad has cancer so we're going on a family trip" thing that didn't get planned very well because my mother was busy taking care of my dad and all his medications and hospital stuff...and I fell in love with the parks the minute I set foot in them. Didn't return until my honeymoon in 2000, but have been going whenever possible ever since.
There is quite a few. There is also many that grow out of it once they are teens. Take my nieces as an example. When they were 5 and 6 they loved Disney and the parks. Now they are 13 and 14, they find Disney boring and are into mode thrilling rides and coasters.
Disney is still riding the wave of "warm and fuzzies" that took decades to build. They're burning through it faster than I thought possible and seemingly on purpose. Give it time...word will get out that Disney isn't the company that cares anymore.
Agreed. A lot of this UNPRECEDENTED DEMAND is mainly from those making up cancelled trips.
 

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