Disney's Hotel Las Vegas

Thrawn

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SpectroMan said:
In the long run, wouldn't they be better off spending money on new rides and fixing up their theme parks or even building a new theme park than creating a casino? They could gain much more money in these things than in a casino. The need is not there for gambling on property. People go to Las Vegas to gamble. People go to New York City to go shopping, site-seeing, and to see Broadway shows. People go to Disney World for theme parks. It is as simple as that!

They would make the money spent on the hotel back within a few months, a year at most. Saying that it would be bad money spent is assinine. You can say things like "WDW is for families", which is also stupid, but it holds a better argument than saying allowing gambling isn't a license to print money. People also go to WDW for golf, pleasure island, the weather, and many other things. Stop being closed minded.
 

Thrawn

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Ringo8n24 said:
I find the topic of this thread misleading. I thought I was going to read about a suggestion of Disney getting hotels that are as elaborate as Vegas which I thought was a crazy idea because Disney already does a wonderful job at their hotel theming. Now I see the gaming topic has raised its head again which I think we already beat to death in a previous thread. :hammer: Why bring gaming to Disney? Instead, bring Disney to Vegas...let them design a hotel or something in Vegas if that market needed to be pursued?


The difference is that I'd say the market for people wanting to stay in a Disney hotel in Vegas is small, because, again, you gamble in vegas and thats about it. But gambling in WDW would just be another thing to add to the list of things you can do.

There is another thread around here about convincing adults that Disney isn't kids only ... well ... gambling is about as good as you can get for that.
 

Ringo8n24

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Wasn't there something on an old thread that said Disney was conducting exit surveys to see how guests fell about bringing gaming to WDW? I am curious to know which way it was leaning.
 

ToTBellHop

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I think I'd like a Vegas style hotel without the gambling and showgirls and such--just the theming. Like they could have a food court with tables themed as card tables and slot machines and stuff like that--keep the over-the-top Vegas style with a family atmosphere. They could have a nice restaurant themed like a high rollers room, too, and a pool with a swim-up bar. Check in could be set up like a series of card tables with your "dealer" being the CM giving you your keys to the world and such. I think that'd make a fun moderate resort without all the sin.
 

sdguy1234

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First, Thrawn rocks!

Second, I dont ever want to be critized (SP) for being harsh about others when most of you say my idea is crap.

Third, you need to jump off of your conservative wagons and join the new horizon. Heaven forbid that WDW build something new. A Vegas themed hotel would be one of the most spectacular acheivements Disney has done. Think of all the neon and flashing lights that could mezmerize you for hours. The "casino" section of the hotel would not be acceible to children. There would be security guards who would ID everyone who went in. A card table food court is an excellent Idea. WHAT WOULD THE POOL BE SHAPED LIKE!?!?!?

Then some of you say that Disney should put the money for a casino back into the resorts? Right?!?! Everytime Disney does that, everyone craps all over it (GEN. GRIZZ) CHANGE IS GOOD!!
 

Captain Hank

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sdguy1234, you are by all means entitled to your opinion on this matter. However, I would recommend that you tone down the nature of your posting style, or risk being banned from these forums.
 

sdguy1234

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hcwalker16 said:
sdguy1234, you are by all means entitled to your opinion on this matter. However, I would recommend that you tone down the nature of your posting style, or risk being banned from these forums.

how is it that im out of lines? is the word crap bad?
 

CubbieMan

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mkepcotmgmak said:
i think if disney wanted casino style gambling, it would have started aboard the magic or wonder, but it was even said on the travel channel that disney didn't want gambling, for more of a family atmosphere, meaning that kids couldn't partake.
as far as wdw, i guess i see it both ways... what would it hurt, if you like to gamble, it's there, if you are opposed, no one is forcing it. i don't think a hotel or resort is the best place for it, but maybe pleasure island?

If I recall...years ago when Pleasure Island 1st open..I believe 88 or 89...The Rock and Roll beach club had some blackjack tables or something similar...this was in the days when they also had the roller rink around the club..I remember thinking that was odd...since at the time I was living in Florida...and I thought gambling was illegal in the state. They must of had been complaints...because it was not too long before they were removed.
 

SpenceMan01

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I think this whole idea sounds more like something Universal would do. 3 B's :rolleyes:


hcwalker16 said:
sdguy1234, you are by all means entitled to your opinion on this matter. However, I would recommend that you tone down the nature of your posting style, or risk being banned from these forums.

I agree. You've adopted a very condecsending attitude. Please post your opinions in a nicer manner.
 

Merlin

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Perhaps I can provide a slightly different perspective on all of this. As it happens, I've been doing performance consulting for tribal gaming in California for about a year now. I'm also actively involved in facilitating training on behalf of the California Council on Problem Gambling. As a result, I've needed to develop some expertise in this topic. Additionally, I work closely with a large casino corporation based in Las Vegas. Please note that the majority of my gaming knowledge is centered around California and Nevada, so much of this will still be speculation. I'm largely unfamiliar with gaming laws in Florida.

Having said that, I can say with certainty that there are only two possible scenarios in which this idea could even legally take place. The first scenario would be if gambling is even legal in the state of Florida. Aside from riverboats and Indian gaming, it isn't, so that's pretty much a moot point. The second scenario would be if Disney's unique city government agreement with Florida allows for gaming to legally take place. Considering the agreement with Florida was made when Walt was still alive, I seriously doubt it included any discussions on allowing gambling. Walt was a visionary, but everything I've read about him (and I've read a LOT about him) leaves me believing that he would never have foreseen the need to allow gambling. The right to build a nuclear reactor is generally cited as the most "controversial" issue in this story. If gambling had been part of the agreement, I tend to think we would have heard or read about it.

A third possibility, which was suggested in an earlier post, is not something that would ever happen. Someone suggested that Disney could join forces with some Florida Indian tribe and use their name to make it legal (I'm paraphrasing, but I believe I've captured the gist of it). This suggestion illustrates a common misconception about Indian gaming. There is a mistaken belief that tribes can simply "shop around" for land anywhere they want, purchase it, and then it suddenly and miraculously becomes Indian land, thus making a casino immediately legal. It doesn't work that way. Likewise, Indian tribes can't just simply join forces with a company and build a casino on that company's property. This misconception stems from the fact that many Indian casinos are managed by companies other than the tribes themselves (generally, casino companies). But the land those casinos are on is either owned by the tribe, or placed in trust for the tribe by the U.S. Department of Interior.

As far as the argument that the existence of a casino on Disney property would be "harmless" as long as it was "well hidden", this is technically true. However, assuming Florida Indian gaming compacts are similar to those here in California, it would have to be EXTREMELY well hidden. In California, laws are very strict in terms of casinos and their proximity to other places where minors have access. For example, no Indian casinos in California can be within a certain square mileage of schools. I would imagine this law (or one similar to it) exists in Florida gaming compacts as well.

Lastly, casinos and family oriented destinations have been proven not to mix. As was stated earlier in this thread, Vegas learned this the hard way in the 90's. Hundreds of millions were spent trying to lure people with families into Vegas, and several casino companies took some pretty hefty financial hits as a result. The city itself also felt the financial impact. Now, Vegas is working on reinventing itself as an "adult" playground (hence the ads with the tagline, "Vegas...What happens here stays here.") I don't think Disney would be so unwise as to attempt this marketing fiasco. I can't imagine why exit surveys were being done to measure the level of potential interest, but my guess is that the result of those surveys probably didn't indicate a high degree of interest. Even though it's true that Disney isn't "only for families", it's still pretty clearly a family-oriented destination.
 

Merlin

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mkt said:
I have actually... and that's why I didn't mention them. I'm aware of Foxwoods and the Mohegan Sun, the 2 wealthiest Native American Casinos.

Probably inconsequential to the topic, but I just thought I'd clarify...Foxwood is number one in North America. Number two is Thunder Valley Casino in California. Mohegan is "up there", but it's not one of the "2 wealthiest".
 

imagineer99

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Sure Disney should build a casino...

While were at it, why don't we burn the Carousel of progress and kick Mickey Mouse in the head?

I really can't grasp how anyone can think that an "adult" casino would be a good idea in Walt Disney World. It is so against Walt Disney's original purpose, It makes me a little sad to see how far people are willing to stray.
 

marni1971

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Sure a Casino resort would make Disney a lot of money. And therein lies the problem. TWDC is already walking a tightrope between owning resorts where the experience is better than anywhere else comparable, and just being a money making machine for its shareholders and management. At the end of the day, TWDC is indeed a company, but one built on its reputation. Unless it were built out of WDW, under a different name (as they did with the `adult` movie label Miramax they aquired in `93) I don`t see such a resort being built. Anyhow, The All Stars and Pops rake em` in and these cost a lot less to build an maintain :lol:

The only thing that may alter matters is if the non-Disney land between CBR and EPCOT Center drive / I-4 is developed as originally planned. The developer did want a casino didn`t he? Considering Disney had to build him an access road leading off property I doubt they would just let that happen with no competition. Whats going on there now? Is it just a resort?
 

SpectroMan

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sdguy1234 said:
Third, you need to jump off of your conservative wagons and join the new horizon. Heaven forbid that WDW build something new. A Vegas themed hotel would be one of the most spectacular acheivements Disney has done. Think of all the neon and flashing lights that could mezmerize you for hours. The "casino" section of the hotel would not be acceible to children. There would be security guards who would ID everyone who went in. A card table food court is an excellent Idea. WHAT WOULD THE POOL BE SHAPED LIKE!?!?!?

Considering Walt Disney hated the flashing Neon lights and signs around Disneyland, I do not think Walt would have designed a hotel like the ones in Anaheim.
 

Legacy

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sdguy1234 said:
First, Thrawn rocks!

Second, I dont ever want to be critized (SP) for being harsh about others when most of you say my idea is crap.

Third, you need to jump off of your conservative wagons and join the new horizon. Heaven forbid that WDW build something new. A Vegas themed hotel would be one of the most spectacular acheivements Disney has done. Think of all the neon and flashing lights that could mezmerize you for hours. The "casino" section of the hotel would not be acceible to children. There would be security guards who would ID everyone who went in. A card table food court is an excellent Idea. WHAT WOULD THE POOL BE SHAPED LIKE!?!?!?

Then some of you say that Disney should put the money for a casino back into the resorts? Right?!?! Everytime Disney does that, everyone craps all over it (GEN. GRIZZ) CHANGE IS GOOD!!
Welcome to the boards. In fact, welcome to life. If people disagree with an idea, it will be criticized. No one here has said the idea itself is crap. However, most have said it is so highly improbable that discussing is pointless. If you were concerned about how people would react, then you shouldn't have posted.

Most of the people here accept change. In fact, you would probably be surprised at the amount of "non-conservative" viewpoints that are active members of these forums. Your assessment of us being on a "conservative bandwagon" simply shows a lack of depth in your argument. Most of us know enough about Disney and its past to realize that a casino on property would not be accepted, beneficial, or Disney-esque in nature. Orlando is a family destination. Florida is a family destination. Casino gambling is illegal. It's not Disney's call in that regard. If Disney wanted to build one it would be in Vegas or Atlantic City, not at a resort.

It's obvious you just want a casino. You have no concern for what Disney, or Florida represents. It was said before, and I will repeat it. If you want to gamble, go to Vegas. Disney isn't the place for you.

(And to be honest... if you need to gamble while you are on vacation at Disney, you might just have a problem.)
 

DisneyJill

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sdguy1234 said:
First, Thrawn rocks!

Second, I dont ever want to be critized (SP) for being harsh about others when most of you say my idea is crap.

Third, you need to jump off of your conservative wagons and join the new horizon. Heaven forbid that WDW build something new. A Vegas themed hotel would be one of the most spectacular acheivements Disney has done. Think of all the neon and flashing lights that could mezmerize you for hours. The "casino" section of the hotel would not be acceible to children. There would be security guards who would ID everyone who went in. A card table food court is an excellent Idea. WHAT WOULD THE POOL BE SHAPED LIKE!?!?!?

Then some of you say that Disney should put the money for a casino back into the resorts? Right?!?! Everytime Disney does that, everyone craps all over it (GEN. GRIZZ) CHANGE IS GOOD!!

Yes, change is good. When it impacts everyone positively. WHY would you build an ENTIRE resort that excludes children at Disney World? That, my friend, is why they have the real Las Vegas. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion, yourself included. But don't be so fast to criticize others if you're not willing and ready to take a little criticism in return.
 

WDWScottieBoy

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Isn't Pleasure Island getting a Playboy overlay or something? If that can happen, I'm sure practically anything can happen there.

What else can this company do to upset its guests. And yes, I will use the fact that WDW is a FAMILY oriented park and I don't want to see this corruption stuff going on down there. I want to be able to leave the real world and escape to a fantasy world where ______ doesn't sell and everything is about the guests.
 

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